Wet/Dry Routing confusion

[boynigel]

I would like to be able to have the Poly Pitch effect set up after an effect like Shuffle Looper or Tesselator, that way I can do quasi-chord changes by changing the pitch of the loop while improvising over the patterns. Problem is, when I do that now, the pitch of my live guitar signal gets pitch shifted too. Is there some way that I could just change the pitch of the loop being played back, while leaving my live guitar signal unaffected by the Poly Pitch? 

[soundog]

You need to your pitch shifting on Path B only (use Split, so A and B are both receiving your guitar), and then remix the shifted guitar back in with unpitched using the Merge block.

[boynigel]

On 2/25/2022 at 9:53 PM, soundog said:

You need to your pitch shifting on Path B only (use Split, so A and B are both receiving your guitar), and then remix the shifted guitar back in with unpitched using the Merge block.

I set up the routing as outlined but I can’t make sense of how the mixer should be set. I can’t get rid of the pitch shifted live guitar without losing the volume of the loop. 
 

[soundog]

something like this?

 

A —— dry guitar —amp | fx, etc —— MERGE ——> out
                                         |                         |
B                                      |  —-pitch shift-|

 

Its not clear to me how you want to use the looper, but it sounds like you also want on Path B for pitch shifting. Use Merge to mix your pitch-shifted guitar (path B) back into path A right before the output. You can set the blocks on path B to be 100% "wet."

 

This might help:

 

 

[boynigel]

15 hours ago, soundog said:

something like this?

 

A —— dry guitar —amp | fx, etc —— MERGE ——> out
                                         |                         |
B                                      |  —-pitch shift-|

 

Its not clear to me how you want to use the looper, but it sounds like you also want on Path B for pitch shifting. Use Merge to mix your pitch-shifted guitar (path B) back into path A right before the output. You can set the blocks on path B to be 100% "wet."

 

This might help:

 

 

All good info, thanks…but the more I think about it, what I want to do can’t be done, and here’s why- the looper is in front of the poly pitch. Obviously the looper has to feed into poly pitch in order to pitch shift the loop playback. Problem is, my “live” signal will still have to pass through the poly pitch while it is pitch shifting the loop. I don’t see any way around that because it’s processing the quasi-live signal of my loop in real time, and I still need to solo, which means both the loop and my live signal are getting processed. Again thanks for your time 

[brue58ski]

I'm not sure I'm understanding exactly what you want. If it's what I think you want, put the looper in path B after it goes through what you want in path A. Then add the polypitch; then merge and mix after. You can set it up so you can turn things and paths off and on using Snapshots or footswitches. So you can have the looper loop what you want on path B, shut that input down when you're done recording that loop, and go through the polypitch there. If you still want to hear some of the "dry" looper sound, adjust the mix on the polypitch. Is this what you wanted to do? I guess the best question is, if you had no limitations, what would your EXACT path looklike?

[datacommando]

On 2/28/2022 at 4:53 PM, boynigel said:

All good info, thanks…but the more I think about it, what I want to do can’t be done, and here’s why- the looper is in front of the poly pitch. Obviously the looper has to feed into poly pitch in order to pitch shift the loop playback. Problem is, my “live” signal will still have to pass through the poly pitch while it is pitch shifting the loop. I don’t see any way around that because it’s processing the quasi-live signal of my loop in real time, and I still need to solo, which means both the loop and my live signal are getting processed. Again thanks for your time 

 

You didn't say what other amp and effects you would want to include in your signal chain. I mention this because as soon as you add the Poly Pitch block you will be losing a great deal of options on what you can add as it uses a big chunk DSP.

 

Anyhow use this as a starting point to see if it is anywhere close to what you are trying to do. The A/B path split is achieved by using the EXP 1 pedal to switch between the 2 paths.

 

Hope this helps/makes sense.

 

PitchLoop.hlx

[boynigel]

1 hour ago, brue58ski said:

I'm not sure I'm understanding exactly what you want. If it's what I think you want, put the looper in path B after it goes through what you want in path A. Then add the polypitch; then merge and mix after. You can set it up so you can turn things and paths off and on using Snapshots or footswitches. So you can have the looper loop what you want on path B, shut that input down when you're done recording that loop, and go through the polypitch there. If you still want to hear some of the "dry" looper sound, adjust the mix on the polypitch. Is this what you wanted to do? I guess the best question is, if you had no limitations, what would your EXACT path looklike?

Here’s what I want to do and it’s actually quite simple- I want to have pitch shifting after a loop. Why? So I can take out some of the monotony of looping by shifting the loop up or down to add some variation. The problem is, when the loop is playing back through the pitch shifter, in this case the Capo effect, my live playing is getting pitch shifted through it too along with the loop playback. Not horrible in and of itself because I wouldn’t have to change keys as I’m soloing (when I pitch shift the loop playback) but the problem is that my improvised solo notes sound artifact-y due to the pitch shifting. 

[boynigel]

1 hour ago, datacommando said:

 

You didn't say what other amp and effects you would want to include in your signal chain. I mention this because as soon as you add the Poly Pitch block you will be losing a great ideal of options on what you can add as it uses a big chunk DSP.

 

Anyhow use this as a starting point to see if it is anywhere close to what you are trying to do. The A/B path split is achieved by using the EXP 1 pedal to switch between the 2 paths.

 

Hope this helps/makes sense.

 

PitchLoop.hlx 17.97 kB · 1 download

Thanks I’ll check that out. DSP usage is of little concern as I have two H9’s in my effects loop which more than make up any effects I would lose due to a CPU hog like poly pitch or capo, so no worries there

[brue58ski]

5 minutes ago, boynigel said:

Here’s what I want to do and it’s actually quite simple- I want to have pitch shifting after a loop. Why? So I can take out some of the monotony of looping by shifting the loop up or down to add some variation. The problem is, when the loop is playing back through the pitch shifter, in this case the Capo effect, my live playing is getting pitch shifted through it too along with the loop playback. Not horrible in and of itself because I wouldn’t have to change keys as I’m soloing (when I pitch shift the loop playback) but the problem is that my improvised solo notes sound artifact-y due to the pitch shifting. 

 

Well I would say my solution would work. Have the looper on path B with the Pitch Shifter.

[boynigel]

3 hours ago, datacommando said:

 

You didn't say what other amp and effects you would want to include in your signal chain. I mention this because as soon as you add the Poly Pitch block you will be losing a great ideal of options on what you can add as it uses a big chunk DSP.

 

Anyhow use this as a starting point to see if it is anywhere close to what you are trying to do. The A/B path split is achieved by using the EXP 1 pedal to switch between the 2 paths.

 

Hope this helps/makes sense.

 

PitchLoop.hlx 17.97 kB · 1 download

Using the expression pedal to switch the path between A/B was the fix. Confusing until I had laid out on my screen. Many thanks 

 

[datacommando]

2 hours ago, boynigel said:

Using the expression pedal to switch the path between A/B was the fix. Confusing until I had laid out on my screen. Many thanks 

 

No problem. It was quickly thrown together to give you something to consider. There are other ways of creating the same result, snapshots etc. Now you know it can be done, you can chop it around to suit your set up

 

Have fun.