HX Stomp XL FS8 Assigned to Bank Down not working with midi - bug?

[DdC441]

I set up my Morningstar MC6 Pro midi controller to handle an HX Stomp XL Snapshot up/down and Bank up/down functions so I can have all 6 switches available for block control. The snapshots are working fine. They have their own CC command, so mapping it to the MC6 Pro was easy. 

 

Controlling the banks took a little more work, and I was only partially successful. The Banks don't have a dedicated CC command in the Stomp XL, but FS7 and FS8 do. So, I went into Global Settings and assigned FS7 to Bank Up and FS8 to Bank Down. I then assigned a switch on my MC6 Pro to send CC:55 (FS7's command code now mapped to bank up), and a second switch to CC:56 (FS8's CC no mapped to bank down). The midi switch assigned to FS7 (CC 55) works fine, but the CC 56 assigned to FS8 (CC56) does nothing.

 

To troubleshoot, I moved the midi commands to different switches... the same problem, Up worked fine - Down did not work. I even kept the CC entries the same and just swapped the CC numbers. That resulted in the same problem. CC 55/FS7 scrolls up through the Stomp's banks with no problem regardless of which switch it's assigned to. CC 56/FS8 doesn't work regardless of which midi switch I use. CC55/FS7 works regardless of which switch it's assigned to.

 

I copied and pasted the working setting changing just the CC number. That didn't work either. I changed the EXP/FS ring from FS8 to EXP 2 just in case it was causing the problem. No dice.

 

At this point I'm certain that the problem lies with the Stomp and not the MC6 Pro. Perhaps the CC code for FS8 in the manual is wrong. Is there another setting affecting FS8 I need to turn off? Is this a bug? Why would FS7/Bank Up work fine, but FS8/Bank Down not? Any suggestions would be appreciated.

 

Thanks!

[DdC441]

Just a quick follow up... I switched Bank Up to FS8 and Bank Down to FS7. Now down works, but up does not. The problem is definitely related to FS8. Any suggestions?

 

HTH

[DdC441]

I've checked everything I can check. Either my MIDI controller is not sending on Channel 1 CC# 56, or the Stomp XL is ignoring it. CC# 55/FS7 works flawlessly regardless of which MIDI Switch or function is assigned to it. Has anyone else had success using FS8 with MIDI CC# 56 assigned to anything?

[silverhead]

On 9/1/2023 at 8:43 PM, DdC441 said:

I've checked everything I can check. Either my MIDI controller is not sending on Channel 1 CC# 56, or the Stomp XL is ignoring it. CC# 55/FS7 works flawlessly regardless of which MIDI Switch or function is assigned to it. Has anyone else had success using FS8 with MIDI CC# 56 assigned to anything?

 

The manual (pg 67) indicates that a certain range of CC# values are reserved for further use. Both CC56and CC57 are among that group. Hence their behaviour is unspecified and unpredictable. While certain things might work it is accidental and unintentional.

 

In particular, avoid using cc128 (see manual). ;-)

[Schmalle]

On 9/2/2023 at 3:27 PM, silverhead said:

The manual (pg 67) indicates that a certain range of CC# values are reserved for further use. Both CC56and CC57 are among that group. Hence their behaviour is unspecified and unpredictable. While certain things might work it is accidental and unintentional.

 

In particular, avoid using cc128 (see manual). ;-)

See XL manual.

[DonBaloon]

Dear friends! I plan to buy a HX Stomp XL. In the data it says that he has the same chip as HELIX. My question is - on a technical level, such as signal processing - respective AD DA saple raters , oversampling, etc. - whether the quality is the same as by HELIX ? .  I can, of course, also buy a Helix , but I don't need all these extras it has´ Can anyone tell? Greetings!

 

[phil_m]

On 9/2/2023 at 9:51 AM, DonBaloon said:

Dear friends! I plan to buy a HX Stomp XL. In the data it says that he has the same chip as HELIX. My question is - on a technical level, such as signal processing - respective AD DA saple raters , oversampling, etc. - whether the quality is the same as by HELIX ? .  I can, of course, also buy a Helix , but I don't need all these extras it has´ Can anyone tell? Greetings!

 

Yes - exactly the same.

[DdC441]

 

On 9/2/2023 at 7:27 AM, silverhead said:

The manual (pg 67) indicates that a certain range of CC# values are reserved for further use. Both CC56and CC57 are among that group. Hence their behaviour is unspecified and unpredictable. While certain things might work it is accidental and unintentional.

 

In particular, avoid using cc128 (see manual). ;-)

 

Page 66 of the XL manual lists the CC#. Here's a shot of the relevant chart.

 

 

[silverhead]

Yet pg 67 declares CC#56 to be reserved for future use.  Contradictory info in the manual.

[Schmalle]

To me this looks like Line6 have a bug in the manual and in the firmware.

 

Still waiting for confirmation or refutation by other XL users regarding MIDI CC#56.

[DdC441]

I heard back from Line 6 Support. They confirm it is a bug, but there is a workaround. I'm posting it here in case someone else has the problem and ends up here via Google.

 

It works for me if I send CC#56 with a value between 64 and 127. I could have sworn I tried 127. It must have been 128 because 127 works! So does 64 and 100... the only others I tested. They still need to clean up the contradicting info regarding CC#56 in the manual.

 

Thanks for everyone's help!

[Schmalle]

On 9/8/2023 at 10:36 PM, DdC441 said:

I heard back from Line 6 Support. They confirm it is a bug, but there is a workaround. I'm posting it here in case someone else has the problem and ends up here via Google.

 

It works for me if I send CC#56 with a value between 64 and 127. I could have sworn I tried 127. It must have been 128 because 127 works! So does 64 and 100... the only others I tested. They still need to clean up the contradicting info regarding CC#56 in the manual.

 

Thanks for everyone's help!

I hope they implement this in the future:

64...127 emulates FS press

0...63 emulates FS release

[fergusson88]

I have the same issue, FS7 not working but FS8 does work, it's very frustrating and don't know what to do or what to try