boynigel Posted March 12, 2024 Share Posted March 12, 2024 Regarding the attached pic, I ask in my best attempt at a Brittish accent, "Whot's ole this then?" I'd just updated to Sonoma 14.4, and then updated ProTools Artist to its latest version. Upon opening my first session after the updates i got the message seen in the pic. The only L6 stuff i'm running is Edit, and Native. Are they saying they're not going to play together anymore in the future? Seems weird. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaschaFranck Posted March 12, 2024 Share Posted March 12, 2024 As I'm on a "vintage" Mac (Mac Pro from 2010) running Mojave, I can't exactly tell, but my best bet would be that there's some Intel "traces" in Line 6's software, requiring Rosetta to run in the background - which, AFAIK, Apple will throw out at one point in time (which will be when they happen to think developers had enough time to adjust). And that point will happen rather sooner than later because Apple doesn't give the slightest damn about their customers. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
codamedia Posted March 12, 2024 Share Posted March 12, 2024 On 3/11/2024 at 9:41 PM, boynigel said: Are they saying they're not going to play together anymore in the future? Seems weird Not sure why that would seem weird? When MAC or Microsoft updates their OS they change things.... developers are forced to update/change along with them and are given "x amount of time" to do so. I've certainly seen my share of software drop dead with OS updates over the years. I doubt Line 6 is planning on abandoning HX Native and HX Edit on a MAC at this time. Open a support ticket with Line 6 and ask them if they are working on an update. I have a hunch they are quite aware of this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaschaFranck Posted March 12, 2024 Share Posted March 12, 2024 On 3/12/2024 at 1:01 PM, codamedia said: When MAC or Microsoft updates their OS they change things.. Unfortunately, Apple's pace at doing so is unrivalled. Planned obsolescense galore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
datacommando Posted March 12, 2024 Share Posted March 12, 2024 On 3/12/2024 at 2:41 AM, boynigel said: Are they saying they're not going to play together anymore in the future? Seems weird. My guess that this is just the same as all the panic about OS 11 and M1 https://line6.com/support/page/kb/general-faq/operating-system-information/macos-11-big-sursilicon-m1-chip-compatibility-r985/:~:text=Both Intel and Apple Silicon,M1 systems at this time. Hope this helps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boynigel Posted March 12, 2024 Author Share Posted March 12, 2024 On 3/12/2024 at 3:35 AM, SaschaFranck said: As I'm on a "vintage" Mac (Mac Pro from 2010) running Mojave, I can't exactly tell, but my best bet would be that there's some Intel "traces" in Line 6's software, requiring Rosetta to run in the background - which, AFAIK, Apple will throw out at one point in time (which will be when they happen to think developers had enough time to adjust). And that point will happen rather sooner than later because Apple doesn't give the slightest damn about their customers. That reminds me, maybe it's time, after these updates, to see if protools will finally boot sans-rosetta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
datacommando Posted March 12, 2024 Share Posted March 12, 2024 On 3/12/2024 at 1:44 PM, boynigel said: That reminds me, maybe it's time, after these updates, to see if protools will finally boot sans-rosetta. It's the same every time Apple put out a new OS, the whole house of cards comes tumbling down, and they blame other developers for not keeping up. PITA. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaschaFranck Posted March 12, 2024 Share Posted March 12, 2024 On 3/12/2024 at 3:41 PM, datacommando said: It's the same every time Apple put out a new OS, the whole house of cards comes tumbling down, and they blame other developers for not keeping up. PITA. Man, I'm telling you... first I learned to live with macOS. Then I learned to almost love it. And then I just learned to hate Apple. Add to this that I'm also using quite some things from Native Instruments, hardware included. There's no worse combination. It's either Apple killing compatibility or NI not delivering updates anymore. As a result, heaps of plugins aren't working anymore (all Battery versions <v4, Pro 53, Intakt, older Kontakt versions, B4, FM7, Bandstand, Kore, now also Absynth, etc.), and as if that wasn't bad enough already, my Maschine MkI, Kore Kontrol and Rig Kontrol 2 are all rendered doorstops. NI: "It'a all Apple's fault!" (when it clearly is not), Apple: "It's all NI's fault!" (when it clearly is not). Blaargh! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
datacommando Posted March 12, 2024 Share Posted March 12, 2024 On 3/12/2024 at 3:59 PM, SaschaFranck said: NI not delivering updates anymore. Oh, I know what you mean. I ran the Native Access recently and noticed that some items will no longer download automatically - I guess these are now to be regarded as legacy products? It’s all planned obsolescence and madness. Aaarrrgghhhh! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lou-kash Posted March 12, 2024 Share Posted March 12, 2024 Just don't upgrade the OS if everything runs smooth for you. Until August 2023 my MacBook Pro mid-2012 was happily running El Capitan. And it still is. (It also has other bootable partitions from Mountain Lion up to Catalina, but El Capitan is it for me, for many reasons.) Heck, even the latest Helix Native and HX Edit are still compatible with El Capitan, although not officially supported by Line 6 anymore. There is an issue with automatic updates but the rest works just fine. I also have a new MacBook Air M2 15". It will happily run Ventura for many years to come. Sonoma et al my behind. (Disclosure: I do have a spare bootable volume with Sonoma for testing purposes. Just in case. Additional volumes are easy to create via Disk Utility on the fly nowadays. No need to reformat drives anymore, thanks to APFS.) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lou-kash Posted March 12, 2024 Share Posted March 12, 2024 Also, the latest Sonoma update apparently breaks something in the auvaltool. This is currently being discussed over at logicprohelp.com/forums/topic/150906-macos-sonoma-is-out-please-report-any-plug-in-incompatibilities/?do=findComment&comment=898266 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaschaFranck Posted March 12, 2024 Share Posted March 12, 2024 On 3/12/2024 at 6:43 PM, datacommando said: I ran the Native Access recently and noticed that some items will no longer download automatically - I guess these are now to be regarded as legacy products? If only it was like that - in that case you could've saved some installers locally (which is what I did). But they just won't install anymore anyway. Anything with 32bit traces is gone since Catalina already, one of the next macOS updates (maybe this year already) will have no Rosetta support anymore, so anything with Intel traces will not work anymore, either. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaschaFranck Posted March 12, 2024 Share Posted March 12, 2024 On 3/12/2024 at 8:42 PM, lou-kash said: Also, the latest Sonoma update apparently breaks something in the auvaltool. This is currently being discussed over at logicprohelp.com/forums/topic/150906-macos-sonoma-is-out-please-report-any-plug-in-incompatibilities/?do=findComment&comment=898266 Great, they're breaking their own tool. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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