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#1 lricach

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Posted 10 May 2014 - 04:10 AM

Has anybody been able to download patch changes to their Variax with the workbench software?  I'm constantly getting midi timeout errors and tech support has been no help.  I can upload the patches with no problem, but once modified I get a midi timeout  error when downloading (synching) to the Variax.  I've used two different computers and multiple usb ports and I have two Variax 300 guitars.  All produce same error.

 

BTW: I do power the guitars with the adapter, not batteries, although I did go the battery route with no success.  And I'm using the adapter and cables that comes with the Workbench software purchase.


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Posted 10 May 2014 - 05:32 AM

I've done so many times in the past... but not on a modern operating system... not sure what operating system you are trying to use....

i would also try uninstalling all workbench software and JAVA software....

reinstall workbench and allow it to install its desired version of JAVA...

the program works on JAVA and a newer version may have changed things.


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Posted 10 May 2014 - 06:08 AM

Although I did allow it to install Java, it specified ver6? but took me to the Java site which downloaded something newer.  I will see about downloading the older version of Java if possible.  Thanks.

 

If not too much trouble, can you tell me the versions of each piece of software you are running?  I want to duplicate your setup.   Thanks.


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Posted 10 May 2014 - 06:46 AM

I no longer have the older variax or the older setup...

pretty sure that the original workbench worked on either java5 or 6 though... not the latest. (although it *should* of course work...)


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Posted 10 May 2014 - 08:12 AM

my OS is XP sp3

java is v.7.51

Workbench is v. 1.75 and is full working


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Posted 10 May 2014 - 10:35 AM

my OS is XP sp3
java is v.7.51
Workbench is v. 1.75 and is full working


What version is the firmware in the variax?
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Posted 10 May 2014 - 02:06 PM

What version is the firmware in the variax?

 

the latest for the Variax 700: v. 3.10


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Posted 10 May 2014 - 04:23 PM

I recently purchased a Variax 300 off Craigslist, and installed all of the software on my Windows 7 laptop.  Everything is working fine for me.  I haven't had any issues transferring sounds from the guitar to workbench via the POD XT Live which was included with the guitar.

 

What interface are you using to connect the Variax 300 to your computer?   Whatever it is, I would suggest plugging it directly into one of your computer USB ports, instead of through a hub?


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#9 lricach

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Posted 11 May 2014 - 03:28 AM

I'm using the interface supplied with the Workbench software.  And I've tried several USB ports on two computers, running Win7 and XP.  No usb hub.   I just tried to rollback the firmware version to an older one and it got 99percent done (which took about 10minutes) before getting the timeout error.  Just frustrating that I can upload the setting from the guitar, but it times out when I try to download. 

 

I'd like to find somebody local who has a POD I can use just to see if that will work for me.  The only thing I want to do is to create a few alternate tunings.  This has become a huge time drain just for that.  But I appreciate the support ideas.

 

What is the oldest POD that will work with Workbench (not HD)?


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Posted 11 May 2014 - 04:08 AM

the pod xt live.

it's not unheard of that those workbench usb interfaces are bad, not super common... but it does happen.

 

 

What is the oldest POD that will work with Workbench (not HD)?


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Posted 11 May 2014 - 05:08 AM

the pod xt live.

it's not unheard of that those workbench usb interfaces are bad, not super common... but it does happen.

 

XT live seems to be overkill to be used just for an interface.  Any of the tabletop models? (inexpensive)   I see the POD X3 live being both a floor pedal and tabletop.  Are these the same things or does only the floor model have the correct interface for Workbench?


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Posted 11 May 2014 - 05:19 AM

The xt live is the lowest model that has a variax connection. They can usually be found in a similar price to the interface itself.


None of the desktop models have a variax interface.
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Posted 23 May 2014 - 06:18 AM

I also got the same midi timeout error with my variax 300. However, I can do the download with my variax 500 (modify the sound and save it back to the guitar) in the same set of PC, workbench interface, software and cables. I have tried winXP, win7, Mac OSX, Java 6, Java 7 and all of them gave me the same midi timeout error with my 300. The Monkey software allows me to reload the software to the 300 (it means the midi download is ok). However, workbench gave me midi timeout error.

When I connect the 300 to workbench, it loads the 300's patches settings into the PC successfully. Afterwards, it just load the sound of the custom bank 2 position 1 and can never change the patch when I turn the patch selection knob and the 5 way selector. I suspected the midi connection already lost right after it loaded all the patches to the PC. Besides, when I tried to load some new patches in the PC, it can never reflect in the 300, so it means the midi connection really lost.

As I have mentioned, my 500 never got an error with the same PC and setup, so I suspected it's the problem of the 300 itself.
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Posted 25 May 2014 - 12:12 AM

When I first connected my second hand 300 (maybe a year ago), workbench didn't even recognise a connection with it. Then it did after a while, but it wouldn't update the backup of my 600 to make them identical setups. - kept on timing out, or losing connection. I just kept trying, and eventually it played ball. Dunno how many times you may need to bang your head up against a wall tho'


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Posted 01 August 2014 - 10:37 AM

Does Workbench 1.5 work with Windows 7?


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Posted 01 August 2014 - 11:14 AM

yes, it runs on java so the operating system isn't that big of a factor.

 

Does Workbench 1.5 work with Windows 7?


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Posted 01 August 2014 - 12:30 PM

I've never had any issue with like that mine's a 500 and X3 Live to interface. I do have some gear (keyboard controller) that is extremely sensive to which USB cable I use. Might try a different USB cable as a long shot.


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Posted 16 August 2014 - 03:23 AM

Hello, I had a same problem with VAX 300 a time ago. The problem was in connector inside Variax. The pins were not O.K. I fixed the pins inside the connector and now it is O.K. Have a look to enclosed pictures - healthy connector inside VAX 700 and faulty one inside VAX 300 before repairing.

Milan

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#19 Charlie_Watt

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Posted 16 August 2014 - 05:10 AM

The usual way this connector gets damaged is when we try to plug a 1/4 inch plug in there by feel.  That's why they now have a flap over it on the JTV and why they shipped the earlier Variax with a rubber cover.  The plug fits in far enough to damage the pins.  If you carefully straighten them it will work again.


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Posted 29 August 2014 - 11:50 AM

I'm new to this but I have a 300 and have installed all the latest workbench / monkey software but the box won't see the guitar - always have the red flashing light. I've made sure I'm using the power supply etc and have uninstalled / re-installed the software. The only thing I haven't done yet is a reset on the guitar - will that help, even if it still has all the original factory settings? Any help gladly received.................


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Posted 29 August 2014 - 11:53 AM

do you have a 1/4" jack in the guitar and the volume turned up?


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Posted 29 August 2014 - 01:45 PM

Which red light is flashing?  One towards Variax?   If so, then you are not getting a good live communication link to  the Variax from the USB Dongle box.  It's not a problem on the PC side.


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Posted 30 August 2014 - 06:14 AM

I'm new to this but I have a 300 and have installed all the latest workbench / monkey software but the box won't see the guitar - always have the red flashing light. I've made sure I'm using the power supply etc and have uninstalled / re-installed the software. The only thing I haven't done yet is a reset on the guitar - will that help, even if it still has all the original factory settings? Any help gladly received.................


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Posted 30 August 2014 - 06:43 AM

Brilliant - it was the socket where the pins were slightly out of line.

Thanks CZ Milan!! And to everyone for the helpful tips


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