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M13-compatible Expression Pedals
by cdoerman on 2009-09-29 09:52:06

I was wondering which expression pedals out there are confirmed to work with the M13. Obviously, the Line 6 EX-1 is at the top of the list but I find the price on them a little steep for what it is. Has anyone personally used any other expression pedals and can vouch for their compatibility?

Thanks!



Re: M13-compatible Expression Pedals
by KozMcCharlie on 2009-09-29 12:50:48

Here is a list that was created in the old forum and should be accurate up to the end of that forum... Obviously it doesn't include EPs that came out since and I'm sure there are some that are missing from the list. It's also a shame that no one put the entire thread here on the new forum...

Works:

Ernie Ball VP Jr 25k ohm (log pot)

Line 6 EX-1

Roland EV-5

Boss FV-500L

Boss FV-500H

unknow needs confirmation:

Kurzweil CC-1 (10K linear pot, 45 bucks, likely compatible)

TC Electronics X1 (25k ohm Logpot, $130 (!), likely compatible)

Pigtronix EP-1 Expression Pedal (20k pot unknown taper, metal construction, around 50 bucks, likely compatible)

Not Compatible:

Yamaha  FC-7

Ernie Ball VP JR Passive 250K & 6166

Any wah wah pedal

Morley volume Pedals

Behringer FCV100

M-Audio EXP

Rocktron Hex

Moog EP-2 (it is possible to swap the internal pot with a 16mm pot, though it might take some fabrication skills. This is not recommended for the inexperienced.)

Hope this helps!

Please note: I cannot take any responsability for any discrepencies on this list. I did not write it and I did not test any of the components on it (except the Ernie Ball VP JR 25k ohm, wich does work)



Re: M13-compatible Expression Pedals
by cdoerman on 2009-09-29 12:57:13

Thanks Koz! Exactly the info I was looking for...



Re: M13-compatible Expression Pedals
by rotorhead902 on 2009-09-29 13:07:38

Found this on another thread  http://mission-engineering.com list the EP-L6 pedal as for line 6 products



Re: M13-compatible Expression Pedals
by stumpsout on 2009-10-01 18:13:04

thanks I really appreciate this list you made

going to grab one right now



Re: M13-compatible Expression Pedals
by ksmith8000 on 2009-10-02 07:10:50

Kosmic:

What does "log pot" mean on the Ernie Ball VP Jr 25k ohm? Is this a special version of the pedal or a setting (like the taper switch on my larger EBVP)?

thx



Re: M13-compatible Expression Pedals
by flyjones on 2009-10-02 07:31:48

The Ernie Ball VP JR 25K is what I use. Just search for model number 6181. Very solid pedal. Works great.



Re: M13-compatible Expression Pedals=
by pooskie on 2009-10-02 07:36:37

+1 on the ernie ball vp junior.  I've been using one for a year with no problems at all



Re: M13-compatible Expression Pedals
by MaestrosounD on 2009-10-02 07:40:10

Anyone knows how good the mission egineering is?



Re: M13-compatible Expression Pedals
by dbagchee on 2009-10-02 12:03:49

So does the analog pedal have a fast response? I've been using the Midi expression pedal on my Behringer FCB1010 and it's too laggy to use for wah or pitch glide.



Re: M13-compatible Expression Pedals
by cdoerman on 2009-10-02 12:10:49

dbagchee wrote:

So does the analog pedal have a fast response? I've been using the Midi expression pedal on my Behringer FCB1010 and it's too laggy to use for wah or pitch glide.

Yes, the response is pretty much instantaneous in my experience.



Re: M13-compatible Expression Pedals
by albertojgg on 2009-10-03 14:38:41

Coul anyone tell me which pedals are analog and digital??

The analogs have faster response? the EX-1 (line 6) is analog???



Re: M13-compatible Expression Pedals
by lebihanj on 2009-10-03 15:43:31

You can check out reviews of some of the other Mission pedals at www.fractalaudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=9986. There are reviews coming up in some of the guitar magazines in Nov/Dec too.



Re: M13-compatible Expression Pedals=
by ksmith8000 on 2009-10-03 21:44:30

For those who are using the Ernie Ball volume pedal for expression pedal.....how does it work as a wah?

I am used to the rocker motion of the crybaby/vox style and fear it may not be very natural as a wah.

thoughts?



Re: M13-compatible Expression Pedals=
by stumpsout on 2009-10-03 22:02:53

I picked up an Ernie Ball yesterday..as a wah my first impressions are...it feels like a volume pedal. It's got a string it uses to smoothly turn the pot so it's great for smooth volume swells.



Re: M13-compatible Expression Pedals=
by ksmith8000 on 2009-10-04 06:48:11

that is what I suspected. I have an older EB VP (the larger one) that I use for volume pedal and love it. I cannot try it as wah, but I noticed that even EB changed the design (shortened the throw) on their EB Wah offering.

Makes me lean toward the Mission.....

Ken



Re: M13-compatible Expression Pedals=
by lebihanj on 2009-10-04 07:29:27

We designed the Mission pedals primarily to give a feel similar to a Cry baby wah, and still to function as a expression pedal for other effects such as volume swells and pitch based effects. It has a very slightly longer movement that an actual Cry Baby but less than an Ernie Ball.



Re: M13-compatible Expression Pedals=
by stumpsout on 2009-10-04 11:03:53

the other link didn't do it for me for some reason

http://www.mission-engineering.com/Mission-Engineering/Mission_Engineering.html

Ihear ya, it's just not a good feel for a wah with the EB, I'm open to still looking. But I'll keep the EB for vol/exp pedal #2.



Re: M13-compatible Expression Pedals=
by Dbourget on 2009-10-10 12:23:06

Does the Erine Ball 6181 with the 25K pot work with the X3Live?

Thanks,

Dan



Re: M13-compatible Expression Pedals=
by Geno_xl on 2009-10-20 08:57:17

I'm still trying to decide on which expression pedal to get.  I'd love to get a line 6 pedal if they had a decent one but the reviews for thiers is terrible.

has anyone tried the dunlop volume pedal?  or the mission stuff?

I guess I'm leaning towards the ernie ball but I just want to get the best one for me.



Re: M13-compatible Expression Pedals=
by stumpsout on 2009-10-20 09:00:58

oops, didn't see your post

yes it works



Re: M13-compatible Expression Pedals=
by cdoerman on 2009-10-20 09:20:28

Geno_xl wrote:

I'm still trying to decide on which expression pedal to get.  I'd love to get a line 6 pedal if they had a decent one but the reviews for thiers is terrible.

has anyone tried the dunlop volume pedal?  or the mission stuff?

I guess I'm leaning towards the ernie ball but I just want to get the best one for me.

I have had a Roland EV-5 for about 15 years. I originally got it for my old Boss ME-8, but I have been using it with my XTL/X3L in more recent years. It works and feels fine. Despite being made of plastic, I think it is pretty durable.

Since buying the M13, I decided to get a second pedal and picked up the Line 6 EV-1. I know there are some bad reviews on MF about this pedal but let me say that it so close to the Roland EV-5 that I am sure it is made by the same mfg somewhere along the way. The dimension are identical. The feel is identical. There is clearly some basic mold/chassis that is probably used by several pedals and these two share most of the same characteristics.

The grip has a slightly different pattern. There are different logos, the Roland EV-5 has a knob on the side. The Line 6 EV-1 does not, but it has the exact same mold where the knob would be.

Anyway, the Line 6 pedal is fine. It feels and works identically to the Roland EV-5. It is also about $30 cheaper. I think the Roland pedal is more versatile for other applications, but if your only intent is to use it with the M13, save the money and buy the Line 6 version.

On the other hand, if you need something in a metal chassis so it can withstand maximum abuse, then the Ernie Ball may be your way to go. I also have an EB VP Junior and while it is a very rugged, the whole mechnism is controlled by a piece of string. While the chassis of the EB may last longer, I have more faith in the Line 6 pedal as it isn't completely dependant on an exposed string that could easily be damaged. That said, I have never had a problem with my EB pedal either so this is pure conjecture.

Just my 2 cents as an owner of several pedals in question...



Re: M13-compatible Expression Pedals=
by radioattivos on 2010-03-13 08:53:24

Hi guys,

I just got an used Ernie Ball Vp Jr 25K, but it doesn't work properly... It never changes the fx the same as before. An example, Pitch Glide: if I set Heel 0 and Toe +12 , if I change fast it goes from 0 to +5, if I change very slowly, it gose fine: what is the problem?!

Tnx a lot!

Radio



Re: M13-compatible Expression Pedals
by Karl_Houseknecht on 2010-03-13 11:53:43

MaestrosounD wrote:

Anyone knows how good the mission egineering is?

I have two of their EP-1 pedals for use with my Ground Control Pro and Axe-Fx.  Good quality, nice and sturdy, no silly string-n-pulley mechanisms like the Ernie Ball pedals.  And the best part is that the pot is the right inverse log taper for an expression pedal.  Not volume taper.

Might buy the Line6 version for the M13 if I find I need expression capability in the future.



Re: M13-compatible Expression Pedals
by dbagchee on 2010-03-20 00:21:13

I have the L6 Mission Engineering pedal. Totally worth it, great build quality and can use it with the M13 or the shortboard.



Re: M13-compatible Expression Pedals
by Matlevo12 on 2010-09-17 03:00:26

Hi.

(first, please excuse me if me english is bad, especially when I'll try to use "technical" terms)

I bought a M-audio ex-p to use with my m13, mainly because the guy at the store assured me it would work properly and... well it doesn't.

BUT, before returning it I opened it to see if there was trick, just in case.

There is one, and I know it's cheap (40$ top?) and made out of plastic, but YOU CAN MAKE THE M-AUDIO EX-P COMPATIBLE WITH THE M13!


What they did is put a 1kOhm resistance just after the main potentiometer... and It prevents you from using it with the M9/M13, in the sense that you won't be able to get the 0 or the maximum setting with your pedal, depending on witch polarity you set (the little M-audio/Other switch on the bottom of the pedal)

All you need to do is grab a sloding iron, take this little crap out and connect the two points (i used solder but a small electrical wire would probably look cleaner).


AND THAT'S IT!

I'm not asking for the M-audio pedal to be added to the "compatible" list, but just take that into account if you want to save wome money.



Re: M13-compatible Expression Pedals
by Alessiodr on 2011-04-18 00:25:53

Does the Daphon Guitar Volume Control Pedal - 2 Channels work properly? It is cheaper than the others!



Re: M13-compatible Expression Pedals
by Alessiodr on 2011-04-18 00:30:22

And what about the Bespeco Bsvm12l ?



Re: M13-compatible Expression Pedals
by alwyncruz on 2011-04-24 09:45:09

just got my m13 couple of hours ago. so im really new to this. I would like to ask if i could use fv500 H to control my volume and when stepped, be used as a expression pedal?pls help me before i buy a BOSS FV500 . what should I use, FV500 H or L? some suggested H, and others L. "H" has 3 jacks. input output and exp. "L" has 5 jacks, 2 inputs, 2 outputs and 1 exp. thank you so much for your help.



Re: M13-compatible Expression Pedals
by nandip on 2011-06-22 00:46:57

I just picked up my new M-Audio Exp and it works perfect with my Line 6 M9.

(I didn't have to modify it as someone wrote earlier)



Re: M13-compatible Expression Pedals
by joshsy on 2011-06-22 16:45:13

Will this expression pedal work?  Thanks

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Rocktron+-+Hex+Expression+Volume+Pedal+for+Electric+Guitar+-+Black/2760354.p?id=1218348984051&skuId=2760354&st=expression%20pedal&cp=1&lp=6



Re: M13-compatible Expression Pedals
by danielcosta on 2011-07-13 13:32:02

Will the Boss Fv-50h work as well?



Re: M13-compatible Expression Pedals
by danielcosta on 2011-07-22 21:15:49

Hope you saw that I wrote: Boss Fv-50h. Not 500



Re: M13-compatible Expression Pedals
by creekhed on 2011-07-28 06:34:08

The list above states that the M audio EXP won't work...yet yours works?



Re: M13-compatible Expression Pedals
by danielcosta on 2011-07-28 06:40:33

If your willing to pay U$89.00 for a rocktron. Buy the Ernie Ball. Tested and aproved!



Re: M13-compatible Expression Pedals
by danielcosta on 2011-07-28 06:42:33

And as you can see on post. Doesn't work



Re: M13-compatible Expression Pedals
by creekhed on 2011-08-01 16:47:38

Does anyone have pics of the MOD done to the M Audio pedal?

That would be GREAT HELP!



Re: M13-compatible Expression Pedals
by danielcosta on 2011-08-01 19:00:51

M Audio Pedal? Are you sure?



Re: M13-compatible Expression Pedals
by creekhed on 2011-08-05 06:44:27

So I bought an M-Audio EX-P expression pedal mainly because there are NO EX-1 pedals in my area!!!

1st thing I n oticed was the inherent problem...would NOT fully sweep!!!

So I took it apart and attempted the MOD.

It's SIMPLE and works PERFECTLY!!!

Right after the 1st pot theres a tiny  little board with a 1k resistor (TINY RESISTOR!!!) located at the top. I simply bridged that resistor by adding a wire between it's 2 points and WHALLAH!!! The pedal now works FLAWLESSLY!

I'm going to get another as I need 2 for my M13.... and total cost for TWO will be $60!!!

I am RELY GLAD I gave the EX-P and MOD a go!!!

PS- LUVIN' THE M13~~~!!!



Re: M13-compatible Expression Pedals
by creekhed on 2011-08-10 18:08:15

After a few days with the M Audio EX-P it crapped out!

I guess you get what you pay for!

Bottom Line...I've owned the Line6 pedal and its actually pretty well built. The M Audio Pedal...JUNK.

LESSON LEARNED



Re: M13-compatible Expression Pedals
by erikjon on 2011-10-06 00:11:09

Hi All!

Just FYI, I happened to already have a Proel GF14 Stereo Volume pedal.

I recently bought the M5 and decided to just try it out since I found that the Proel GF14 uses 2 x 10kohm linear pots.

Low and behold, it works!

Looked up the price new and it's going for SGD$50.00 which is believe is only USD$38.00.

I got it coz it looks to have better build quality than the M-Audio and the Line 6 EX-1.

Got this when my local distro didn't have stock of the EX-1 for months.

Works fine right out of the box and looks way cooler and is smaller than either of the abovementioned.

Have fun!



Re: M13-compatible Expression Pedals
by gcdef on 2011-11-03 12:19:45

Old thread I know, but I tried the Ernie Ball 25K ohm pedal, and while it worked 95% of the time, there were times when the M13 didn't know it was there.  Those times were pretty annoying.  I switched to the Line 6 pedal and haven't had any issues.



Re: M13-compatible Expression Pedals
by silkwing_x56 on 2011-11-23 00:50:27

i have the ernieball vp junior 6180 25kohms, it works only a half press from the heel but when i pressed all the way down to the toe then it's stops working. i did the calibration from -24 to +24 of the heel/toe pixel indicator but it doesn't work the way it should be. any help? thanks!!



Re: M13-compatible Expression Pedals=
by danidelarosa on 2011-11-25 10:07:15

I just got the mission engineering pedal for my M13 and it works like a dream.



Re: M13-compatible Expression Pedals
by Alessiodr on 2012-02-24 12:36:44

I've bought the Roland EV-5, but it can't do the full sweep: it stops at 95% of the sweep.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLO5zTTGtQs

In">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLO5zTTGtQs">

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLO5zTTGtQs

Inthis video 2 others customers in the comments say that they have the same problem.

Is there any solution?



Re: M13-compatible Expression Pedals
by kmoed on 2012-02-29 04:42:24

Anyone know if the Dunlop DVP1 is compatible?



Re: M13-compatible Expression Pedals
by rkhiii on 2012-03-21 20:37:43

Regarding the M-Audio EXP and it's compatibility with the M9, clipping the 1k resistor and replacing with wire or solder does fix the sweep issue on this pedal...just did it.  It doesn't however alleviate the reverse sweep on the wah.  You can set the sweep parameters each time pretty easily but the default sweep is reviersed for some reason until you manually set it in the wah effect.  I assume this isn't the case with the pedals on the true compatibility list.  --r



Re: M13-compatible Expression Pedals
by rkhiii on 2012-03-23 12:20:44

<< Anyone know if the Dunlop DVP1 is compatible? >>

Be interested to know this myself.  Anyone??



Re: M13-compatible Expression Pedals
by bgmww on 2012-04-11 13:27:17

Hey guys ! Do you think this Expresion pedal could work ?

LEEM EXPRESSIO PEDAL

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Expression pedal to control line input instrument expression. The KY-30L uses a 20 K Ohm potentiometer to allow an excellent and accurate input signal volume adjustment. Supplied with a 6 feet terminated with a 1/4” stereo cable plug for connection to the volume or expression output of the keyboard.

  

PEDAL STRUCTURE :  Thermoplastic ABS with galvanized weighted base.

IMPEADANCE :  20K Ohm (long-life linear keyboard potentiometer)

INPUTS :  1/4 Stereo plug.

http://leem.co.kr/english/contents/sub0201_1.php?menu_code=1&code=16&uid=131



Re: M13-compatible Expression Pedals
by thrutonefx on 2012-04-28 23:43:47

<a target=new href=http://thru-tone.com/Ernie_Ball_Exp_files/ExpDrop.jpg"class="jive-image" src="http://thru-tone.com/Ernie_Ball_Exp_files/ExpDrop.jpg"/>

Just wanted to update ya guys who love the feel and response of an EB.  While the 25k can work it still has an un-uniformed audio taper and because of it being 25k the last quarter of your sweep doesn't even do anything.  Our line uses our custom designed 10k pots and while they work perfectly with Line 6, with a flip of the mode toggle you can use them in voltage control mode so it will be compatable with multiple other pedals.  You can get more details at http://thru-tone.comand feel free to email with any questions at justin@thru-tone.com



Re: M13-compatible Expression Pedals
by bgmww on 2012-05-01 14:15:36

u$ 245 for an expression pedal...

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Re: M13-compatible Expression Pedals
by bassjamm on 2012-06-27 18:06:36

Has anyone modified the Moog EP-2 to work with this?

If so, care to expand upon it a bit please?



Re: M13-compatible Expression Pedals
by boyd5647 on 2012-08-30 13:16:11

Does anyone know of the m13 can be compatible with an XY midi pad or kaoss pad?



Re: M13-compatible Expression Pedals
by tapsilogic on 2012-09-18 22:36:26

Anybody seen or tested the new Electro Harmonix Next Step expression pedal with the M9/M13?

http://www.ehx.com/products/expression-pedal



Re: M13-compatible Expression Pedals
by phil_m on 2012-09-19 09:14:46

I am pretty sure that pedal wouldn't work. It needs a TRS cable to work in expression mode, and with a TS connection (what Line 6 uses) it acts as CV (control voltage) controller. Personally, I don't like the idea of using an expression pedal that requires a battery or an AC adapter.



Re: M13-compatible Expression Pedals
by tapsilogic on 2012-09-28 16:17:04

I thought so too. Too bad. I kind of liked the concept of having no moving parts on an expression pedal.



Re: M13-compatible Expression Pedals
by Skrogh on 2012-11-21 15:17:00

Yeah I have,
replace the 250kB pot with a 10kB pot (I don't know why the original post says 16mm, that's the physical size of the pot), and change it to a rheostat instead of a voltage divider.

I even put in a stereopot, so I can use it with my M9 and other gear at the same time.



Re: M13-compatible Expression Pedals
by fusionkw on 2013-01-06 19:37:16

Hey,

I just got my m-13 and have spent several hours on it so far and have only got a couple patches that I sort of like.  Does this thing come with some basic factory patches? Eric Johnson sound, chorus, delay, dist, etc patches already set up?  I'm not finding combinations that are sounding good to me.  HELP!  Somebody give me some patches or scenes....whatever they are called... I'm 64 and afraid I may die before I figure this thing out.....fusionkw



Re: M13-compatible Expression Pedals
by phil_m on 2013-01-06 20:25:03

The M13 does come loaded with 12 factory scenes, but to be honest, none of them are really anything special. Since the M13 is purely an effects modeler and doesn't model amplifiers, it will only take you so far in imitating tones. But that's not to say it isn't really powerful. It is, but you kind of have to have some idea of what sorts of effects combinations you're looking for. If you have a particular artist's tone you're after, the best thing to do is to find out what they're using in terms of effects, and find the models on the M13 that best replicate that.

Another thing is that sharing scenes on the M13 isn't nearly as easy as with other Line 6 devices. Since everything is done via MIDI, it becomes a bit cumbersome to load scenes on the M13. It's not that it's too hard, it's just that to audition a bunch of them would take a while. I think you're better off coming up with your own scenes.



Re: M13-compatible Expression Pedals
by fusionkw on 2013-01-07 12:48:39

Thx for that....maybe I should be asking what are the combos of a good chorus, clean fat distortion, clean jazzy tone, the basic tones.  What are some of the patches that some of you out there are using?  The number values are what I'm after.  Let's say from left to right 1,3,4,2  as an example. I also bought a Roland/Boss gt 100 which is really awesome!  I love it and it has 200 factory patchs that I can program and they are just ready to go whenever I need them.

fusionkw



Re: M13-compatible Expression Pedals
by JTSC777 on 2013-01-07 20:02:55

The Boss GT 100(I have the GT-10) is great for really nailing artists tones. The M13 ( which I also own) is for sounding like yourself.In front of a good or great tube amp I have found it to be much better than individual pedals.Never thought I would say that.I use it when I want to reflect my own personality instead of someone elses. When I have a high pressure covers gig and need to play-funk/blues/punk/classic rock/jazz standards etc...I use a POD HD 300 or Boss GT 10.Good Luck and Have Fun!!!



Re: M13-compatible Expression Pedals
by primeholy on 2013-01-09 20:14:26

Since there have been some firmware updates, are there any expression pedals that work now that wouldnt before? Like maybe the m audio m-gear?



Re: M13-compatible Expression Pedals
by teddybut on 2013-02-03 10:15:34

lag in midi expression pedal is easy to fix. When you go fast the pedal has to send out every 16th number, when you slow it has to send out every number. There must be a setting in the Behringer that addresses that... speed? scaling?  something like that.




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