ChubbyJerk

Firehawk was the first unit that convinced me a single multi-fx pedal could satisfy my needs, both in terms of selection of effects and quality. Helix (the basis of Pod Go) was the first one where I thought a professional gigging/recording artist could be satisfied with that and nothing else. Note that there are still some holes in the lineup of models, weak points so to speak, where I could see a need for an extra pedal added on - particularly octaves and extra-especially synth pedals. But that's about it. That's a convoluted way of saying that Firehawk is awesome, and a lot of people could probably make do with that, but the Helix family, including Pod Go, is a big step up. Distortions in particular have come a long way in recent years. They used to be the weakest point in any digital effect, hands down (imo). In recent years, they're incredibly good, in my opinion. Realistic and dynamic and just really good. Note that this applies across the board, not just to line 6 - Aftershock, for example, is a fantastic digital dirt. The Helix lineup of distortions - and dirty amps - is about as good as you can get, in my opinion. Additional note: my Pod Go arrived today. I haven't even opened it yet. However, I've owned both a full Helix and an HXFX previously. The Helix I sold because it was expensive and overkill for me, so I couldn't justify it. The HXFX I sold because I wanted an all in one, and the FX lacked the amp models, so I wasn't satisfied with it *for that specific purpose*. I have since the used a B3n, and I love it! However, I was excited enough about what the Pod Go offers that I ordered one to presumably replace it. I also have a G3n I use on guitar, so this should replace both. So...I might be one of the few that's owned all 3 effects you mentioned (Firehawk, G3n (not x), and Pod Go). I don't doubt you would be happy with the Pod Go, it's just a question of whether or not the upgrades are worth the extra cash. The sound on the G3n/B3n honestly isn't that much of a downgrade, in my opinion. It's insanely good for the money, and definitely adequate for the majority of hobby players. But also keep in mind that the Pod Go has other features that are great, like a USB audio interface, better screen/UI, and so on. In case I didn't say it enough, this is all just my personal opinion.

phil_m with the reasonable middle ground. Thank you once again for linking a good solution! Yes, that wart is bad, but no, it won't doom the pedal. Yes, it's annoying, but no, it's not an insurmountable issue. Yes, I hate the wart, but no, I'm not returning mine because of it. On the flip side, keep in mind that just because there's a customer work-around, that doesn't mean it isn't a real issue. It really is a terrible power supply for a pedal that is designed and marketed as something for a pedal board. The "sky is falling this pedal is doomed" attitude isn't helpful, but neither is being completely dismissive of people who raise a valid concern.

What you're probably looking for in 6/8 might be easiest to achieve by tapping on 1,2,3,4,5,6 and then selecting the "quarter note" subdivision for the delay.

For tap tempo to work correctly, you have to tap the tempo. The actual tempo. The whole tempo. The beats per minute (BPM). It sounds like you're treating it like the beat of a drum, differentiating between upbeat and downbeat. I can understand why you would tap like that, but the note divisions won't be accurate if you do it like that. Give it a tap for every beat. For basic 4/4 time, tap on 1, 2, 3, and 4. That's the only way the 1/8 note subdivision of a delay will really give you 1/8 notes. Your desire to tap on 1 and 4 in 6/8 actually makes sense! And it's more right than you think. It gets weird though. Typically, but certainly not always, you'll play 6/8 time as 2 beats of dotted quarter notes. That's why you're struggling to not hit on 1 and 4...because you (probably) should be hitting on 1 and 4! (If your goal is matching the sheet-music-specified BPM.) If you're looking at actual sheet music, like all official and everything, the notation at the top will tell you what the division is. For example, it will say "quarter note = 120" (except the words quarter note will probably be an actual note, not the words). That tells you that the quarter note is the beat, 88 beats per minute. Take "Can't Help Falling in Love", by Elvis. It's 6/8 time, BPM = 68, dotted quarter note gets the beat...so to tap out the BPM, you tap on 1 and 4, just like you're doing. BUUUUUUUUUUT...like jb said above, or at least alluded to, tapping the 68 bpm dotted quarter note from Can't Help Falling in Love, you don't want to set it to 1/8 note after that. Because the 1/8 note division isn't actually saying "this will be an 1/8 note", it's really saying "this will be half the length of the bpm" (or "twice as fast" or however you want to think about it); it's based on the premise of the quarter note getting the beat. So an 1/8 note subdivision of a dotted quarter note does not give you what you're probably looking for, which would be the triplet division at that point. I probably totally botched that explanation. Even if I got everything right, it probably wasn't clear. Sorry.

Cool. That actually looks like it would help a lot. That might be the perfect solution for me. Appreciated!

Apologies to Line 6, the tone of my post was overly harsh. But man...I think that power supply is a poor fit for something marketed as an addition to your board.

The HD series that is huge and intended as a standalone unit? Do you not see the key difference?

What were they thinking? How could this thing make it through every stage of development and people said, "oh, yeah, that's cool." I'm assuming the testers were either given a different power supply or told that's just temporary while they finalize the design. ESPECIALLY since this is supposed to be "pedal board friendly". They design the HX so that it can't (easily) be run off of something like a Voodoo Labs PP2. OK, I get that. I can understand that. Most multis and big digital effects don't work well with that type of shared (even if isolated) power supply. But...space is a huge issue with pedal boards. As is placement of everything, and their orientation (to the point where some people make a huge deal over top vs side jacks). And Line 6, on a multi that's designed to be pedal board friendly, gives us this monstrosity? I opened it up and just kinda stared at it for a minute. I'd be curious to see a pedalboard that this thing power supply could easily fit into. The Voodoo Labs PP2+ gives you that extra outlet, but if you mount it under your Pedal Train I'm pretty sure it's recessed and only works with a 3-prong style adapter? Been a while, I could be wrong. Maybe it will work fine there. This thing is scary bad. The outlet situation at my weekly gig is tight. I may end up having to bring a power strip, not for extra spots, but just for this oblong box of doom to fit in. This is all IMO, YMMV, etc, and I'm probably overreacting, but I find this power supply to be rather absurd.

I sold mine to fund my Helix purchase. It made me very sad. The SY300 is my all-time favorite single-use/non-multi pedal.

We have synth / oscillators / tone generators. The Helix has midi in. What are the chances that we get a version of the synth models that can be set up to listen to midi in for notes? It seems like the next logical step. As is, the synths are cool to play with, but very burdensome both to set up in a patch and to use in a live setting. Allow it to be played via a midi keyboard and HOLY CRAP. If there's already a way to do this, then I totally missed it and you may mock me thoroughly and without mercy.

I meant exactly what I said, which was that the algorithms will generate the same output if given the same input. If you take the whole quote from my post, I'm quite clear what I meant. I say "algorithms" 3 times, "code" twice, and "software" once. That's what I'm talking about. The internals...not the entire signal chain. If you use a different interface, different A/D conversion, pump it through different speakers, add other VSTs in front, etc etc, that's not exactly the same input, now is it? I don't understand your point. Are you saying that if you use a different interface you might not get the exact same sound? That's like saying, hey, I'm listening to the Native plugin through my computer speakers and it doesn't sound as good as my Helix Floor board through these $1000 FRFR monitors! Yes, well...duh. You're obviously injecting other differences into the signal flow. The difference there isn't Helix Native vs the Helix board. Now, will it be a noticeable difference? Probably not, assuming you're using a reasonably decent interface.

It's called good business. It's also fairly standard. Zoom's B1on and B1xon and MS60b and I think B3 all share the same software, rehoused and shipped off as a separate product. Same with many of their others (G3n & G5n, and on and on). Line 6 has the various M pedals (M9, M13, whatever). Several of the Boss multi-effects have the same core rehoused in various form factors. They spent...what, hundreds of thousands or more on R&D for this, right? Several years of development. I have no clue how big their teams are, but both hardware and software engineers plus test engineers, all dedicated to this product line for years...that's a lot of money. It would be absolutely insane if they didn't leverage that for everything they could. For the record (just to brag), I called this back in January. (I was expecting something a little lighter, but still pretty close.) https://www.talkbass.com/threads/new-zoom-b3n-multi-effects.1262394/page-18#post-19650214 I'm a bit disappointed, because the Helix is overkill for me (particularly in the IO department), and the LT looks like a pretty good middle ground. I definitely would have picked the LT if it was out when I got mine. I don't hold it against them at all, though. Being angry over this is just silly. Of course they're trying to make money. And it's good for us if they do. I'd like them to make lots of money. That's what will lead to continued support for the Helix.

His post had nothing to do with economies of scale. He said others were being selfish for requesting what they wanted. Then he went on to request things. That is literally exactly what he did. Whatever, I'm not looking to get in a fight over this. I just found it amusing.

In other words, "Requesting what you want is selfish! Now listen to what I want..." :P

Of course forums and real world are different. And your real life experience is just anecdotal evidence. And it doesn't match up with mine, but so what? That's just anecdotal evidence too. /shrug. Like I said, it's just my opinion. I mean, there's a pretty big variety of octave pedals out there, and people keep making new ones, so It has to be a reasonably substantial market. As far as bass mutli-fx go, it's not terribly surprising. Guitarists are the much bigger market. Frustrating as a bass player, but not surprising.