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I am using these speakers as PA FOH. I only purchased them because every one of my L2Ms had a pronounced rattle between E & F on my electric guitar. This occurred on every one of the 4 different L2ms I bought. They all had the rattle. On some speakers the rattle is worse than others but they are all exibiting it. How can you do a professional caliber show or record with room mics when your speakers are audibly rattling at certain frequencies? I thought the problem was gone when I was forced to purchase the L3Ms but it turns out the resonant frequency is just in another spot (around the B bar chord). One of the problems with these speakers is that you don't notice the rattle until you hook up just the right instrument with just the right settings. However, the sound is so loud and so blatant I can't believe these speakers were turned loose on an unsuspecting public. Most of my musician friends were quite frankly incredibly dubious when I made the decision to go with Line6 for a premium (priced) live sound system. I told them that I believed Line6 was really trying to produce something of quality with their high end products. Was I wrong? Everyone who warned me is looking absolutely prescient right now. There is clearly a production problem on Line6 speakers. I can't believe this is so under reported. What are the odds of me finding 6 speakers in a row that exibit rattling problems? Why isn't everyone hammering Line6 on this? This system could be so awesome with properly working Line6 speakers. Line6 please help me out here! My DreamScape system has turned out to be a NightmareScape! All I wanted was a turnkey easy to use digital system that replaced my need for hauling outboard effect racks around. Instead I am now stuck with thousands of dollars worth of Line6 mixer, speakers, and subwoofers with no viable alternative for FOH or monitor speakers because it appears that every Line6 speaker, at least from my part of the country, has a pronounced rattle, some worse than others. I could live with waiting around for Line6 to straighten out their speaker issues and use some other speakers in the interim but that would meant I would have to run outboard 31 band EQs on my system. Now why would I want to do that when every other vendor of high end digital mixers is now including a 31 band EQ in their mixer. As you know the 31 band EQ on the M20d mixer only works with Line6 speakers. Am I the only soundman/musician out here who feels that a 31 band GEQ is a critical tool for live sound? Every serious system I have seen or used for decades uses them. I don't know a single serious soundman who has a system without several GEQs. Again, the whole point of this mixer for me (and I think for most bands who purchase this system) was to eliminate having to carry racks of outboard equipment and be able to set up very quickly with great sound, no fuss, no muss. So... I stepped up and bought the DreamScape system (all Line6 subs, mains, M20d mixer, monitors), my reward is that I have not been able to find a single Line6 monitor or main (FOH) that does not have a rattle. Now I am back to requring 2 to 4 outboard GEQs because I am forced to use speakers that are not Line6. Not a Line6 speaker, sorry, you don't get a 31 band GEQ on your Line6 mixer. I know the problem is the Line6 speakers because I can swap in my old JBLs and have no rattle (and unfortunately, also no 31 band EQ). Sorry to repeat that, I feel like a broken record. I am at my wit's end. This situation is just so damn frustrating. And now I am potentially stuck with my defective L3m speakers and no decent alternative. I sincerely hope the subs don't have this issue. I have not used them enough to determine that. Maybe, ferverently hopefully, the frequency range on them is low enough to have avoided the resonant rattle. I have been a huge fan of Line6 for years, what is going on here? I am out of my return period and stuck with a very expensive and crippled PA, with no decent alternative. Could someone high up at Line6 please step up and help me out! Come on Line6, you're better than this!

No, they were closed when I went to call them today. I am going to speak with them tomorrow.

Unbelievable and horrible! I returned my L2ms; four of them because of a known issue with them rattling between an E & F. I replaced them with L3Ms. I thought they were ok, but they are NOT! The rattle on the L3Ms occurs around the B chord on my guitar. For anyone who wants to replicate the rattle, I get it by playing a "B" bar chord on a hot clean guitar setting with the speaker turned up anywhere from half to three quarters volume. Sustaining (rather than constantly strumming) the chord makes the rattle super obvious as the voume level of the chord drops and the rattle takes over completely. My mixer is the Line6 Stagescape M20d. What is going on Line6? I am just past my return period and I am stuck with two rattling speakers. What gives, how dare you sell this system with such a glaring problem with the speakers. I am freaking outraged and frustrated. I don't know what to do. I am heavily invested with the mixer and the subwoofers (hope they don't have a rattle also, would not be surprised if they do). Line6, what would you have me do? I have no speaker options available for this system. Both the monitor sized L2m and the L3m have rattles. Help please!

Wow! It is a little disconcerting and a bit of deja vu reading this. We have a thread on this rattling problem over in the part of the forum for the StageScape speakers. The L2M and L2T speakers have a bad rattle. We also don't understand how such a blatant problem is allowed off the production line and sold in the store. I recognize that almost any mass produced product is going to have a few defective items come out of the factory. I also appreciate charleyg's point about the potential for it to be a shipping problem. Sometimes you get a repeated problem related to shipping, particularly when the packing is inadequate. I question whether that is the issue here however. I know that my StageScape speakers were packed quite well and the boxes appeared undamaged. This problem with the speaker rattling issues seems more likely related to flawed construction and inadequate QA. This is also starting to look like a larger pattern in their production of items that include speakers. Line6 appears to have some kind of a systemic problem both with their production line and Quality Assurance (QA) procedures on "speakered" products. My suggestion to Line6, overhaul your QA procedures for products with speakers in them. This seems to be where Line6 is having difficulty. QA is the last line of defense before a product hits the local music shop. If you check products thoroughly and empower your QA department to disallow them from being sold when they are defective, issues like this tend to disappear or at least occur infrequently. Bring in some consultants, make some changes, change your manufacturer if need be, beef up your QA process, fire some executives if you have to, but fix this. It is compromising your brand. Most of these rattling issues should be detected in development or QA and should never be reaching the store shelves. Line6, we expect to see a few issues but don't you agree this is starting to look like a systemic problem? I don't know, maybe it is still too early and too few cases to determine if this rattling issue is widespread; but... this rattling speaker issue sounds eerily reminiscent of the very similar problem with the StageScape speakers. Anyway I hope Line6 jumps all over this. Lastly, we consumers understand the rush to market and the pressure up and down the corporate chain to get a product out before the other guy. There are many product issues that get solved in software or firmware upgrades and that is to be expected. Most of us can demonstrate some measure of patience regarding these. Particularly as Line6 has a pretty good record of providing free updates that significantly improve their product line. However, this speaker rattling issue is a different kind of animal. Now the consumer is dealing with a product that is broken, and for many of us, unusable, until the rattle is eliminated. Rattling is a deal breaker and unacceptable in any amplifier or speaker!

I have the L3Ms and so far they have not displayed the same issue. I had to return my L2Ms (twice, a total of four rattling speakers). Have only done a couple of gigs with the L3Ms, but so far, so good.

I apologize in advance if this comes across too strongly worded as I value ArneLine6's input on this forum. I am also intensely frustrated by the current state of affairs with the "DreamScape" system. I frankly find it disingenuous, or the consequence of a company in the denial stage of a production line problem, (either way it is counter-productive) when Line 6 staff try to characterize this rattling issue as minimal, barely audible, rarely occurring, "only occurring in some speakers", and not a problem for a live show. The user 'tudscamp' reasserted, and rightly so, that the rattle is distinctly audible, not minimal, and disruptive to both live performance and, I would add, recording. At which point the Line6 rep changed tactics and tried to assert that the rattling must be an 'additional' issue not related to the fan rattle the rest of us have been getting. So now Line6 has moved from minimizing the issue to attempting to assert that tudscamp's issue is a "special case". His is not a special case. It is hard for me to remain optimistic about Line6 providing a timely fix for this issue when they are still unable to acknowledge the severity and ubiquity of this unresolved hardware issue. Let me sum up, this rattle can be quite loud, it is distinctly audible in a number of live scenarios. It is NOT barely noticeable, it is NOT some OTHER or ADDITIONAL issue when someone tells you about the loud rattle. Yes, it is much worse in some speakers than others. Bottom line; it needs to be fixed much faster than Line6 is moving! I harken back to the post about Line6 working on this problem and I hope it gets resolved soon. This has been dragging on and on. Lastly, PLEASE, how about a firmware/hardware/software upgrade that provides and allows the M20d mixer's 31 band EQ to be used on other manufacturer's speakers until Line6 resolves this issue? That functionality should have been included on the M20d, for any manufacturer's speakers, from the get go! Line6 crippled this beautiful mixer and then failed to have working Line6 speakers to give it back its full functionality (31 band EQ). Bad form, and if you are feeling the heat it is because you are moving too slow on the resolution and still trying to imply it is minimal or only extends to a few isolated cases.

Thanks for the info dboomer! That definitely sheds some light on the subject. I would actually have expected the M20d to have enough intelligence built in so that it managed the FBS automatically on both the speaker and the mixer when an M20d mixer is attached to a Line 6 speaker via L6 Link. It seems as if Line 6 could take better advantage of the digital L6 Link connection allowing more complex interactions and decision trees between the mixer and the speaker. I am surprised that users even have to ask about this. Even if the thought was to give the user maximum flexibility I think a best practices implementation would be to have a default behavior. For example, if a StageScape speaker is hooked up via L6 Link to an M20d, the default behavior should be for the speaker's FBS to be off to allow the M20d mixer to manage the FBS. This is the optimal setup as per dboomer's post. Then, if a user did not want the default behavior, but instead wanted to pick only the speaker FBS or both the speaker and the M20d's FBS, they would have the option (as they do now). A firmware improvement might be that all three FBS setup scenarios should be available to be set from the M20d (with the best choice being the default) instead of having to check the setting on the speakers. Even better would be for a smart system that knows and picks the best FBS settings automatically across all of the L6 components attached (but still has the option for a manual change). Again, let's take better advantage of that digital link and useful and significant communication between the speaker and the M20d. It seems like it would be an advantage to have the M20d intelligently manage the FBS on both the speakers and the mixer such that if there are some exotic scenarios where speaker or mixer FBS (or both) would be more preferable, this could be set automatically by the M20d rather than the user worrying about the best combination of FBS on separate components (mixer and speakers). This also eliminates having to physically check the setting on every speaker and monitor. You should be able to check this from the M20d. Btw the three possible FBS scenarios I am referring to are: 1. M20d FBS on - speaker FBS on 2. Speaker FBS on - M20d FBS off 3. M20d FBS on - speaker FBS off I see the advantage of applying a notch filter (FBS) only on the offending input instead of the entire speaker. That way (depending where the notch occurs in the signal chain) you may only be impacting one instrument/mic (notching pre output at the mixer) rather that notching all inputs (notching at the speaker). Big advantage! I also see the benefit of having a set of twelve available filters for each channel (144 total) vs. having a limit of 12. Although if you ever need 144 notch filters you either have bigger problems or are probably running such a huge system that you are not using an M20d. You did raise one question for me though. I would have thought there would be situations where it is the cumulative impact of two or more channels interacting causing feedback. It seems like in those cases having the "global" FBS on the speakers set might work better than having the FBS on individual channels on the M20d. Don't know if my premise (two or more channels interacting to cause feedback) is correct, or perhaps this situation is so rare it is not worth worrying about in normal usage, but just curious. Again, I would encourage Line 6 to have the system intelligently manage FBS across multiple components while still allowing the user to choose their own settings if need be. Argh, my brain is hurting. Line 6, you have a badass digital system, please have it pick the best FBS settings for me. I am a musician who wants to play and not tweak. I think that is the largest target demographic for this mixer. I spent a lot of money on Line 6 equipment so it can link up via L6. Choose the best FBS settings and leave me some flexibility to change them if I don't like them. You have all these smart digital components and the ability to leverage their capacity to communicate bi-directionally. Why are they not talking to each other in the FBS realm? Any thoughts?

Questions: If you have FBS on in the M20d mixer and are hooked up to your Line 6 mains (and/or monitors) via L6 Link. Do you need to have the Feedback Suppression button set to "On" on your Line 6 speakers, e.g. L3m? What is the impact of having FBS on in the M20d and off in the speaker and vice versa? What is the impact of having both the mixer and the speakers' Feeback Supression set to "On"? In other words, how do the various permutations of "On" and "Off" for feedback suppression on the mixer and speakers interact between the M20d and the Line 6 speakers when they are linked via L6?

Digital-sound, Although as previously mentioned you may be one of the lucky ones who has a couple of L2ms that do not rattle, here is how I can consistently reproduce the rattle. I can take pretty much any electric guitar set on the neck pickup, feed it through my multi-effects pedal board (currently I am using a Digitech IPB-10). I choose a clean preset. I keep the level from my multi-effects pedal reasonable but hot enough to get an aggressive clean sound. I choose the M20d's generic electric guitar pedal board channel preset. I turn my L2m's volume up to mid way or a bit more, hit an open "E" chord and bingo, there is the rattle. I understand some of the other posts describing it as the sound of a damaged diaphragm or even a ripped speaker cone or torn voice coil because that is what I thought I was hearing at first. After further examination I noticed that the rattle seemed to be coming from the vicinity of the back panel (at this point I thought, aha, loose part) but pressing on it did not eliminate the sound. I thought maybe I was overdriving the M20d with too hot a signal from my pedal board but I set the trim level with the M20d's auto-trim, watched my "meters" to ensure I was not overloading, ran the EQ flat, and I still got the rattle. I know it is unique to the L2m because I was using the L2ms as my mains and a pair of JBLs for my monitors. The JBL monitors would NOT rattle no matter how much signal I sent them from the same feed the L2ms had been receiving. Btw, you mentioned that you were using your L2ms as monitors. I wonder if laying them on their sides helps to diminish or even eliminate the rattle. Particularly if you got a couple of L2ms where the rattle is less noisy. Of the four I purchased all four had the rattle but it was much louder and more pronounced in two of them. You may want to test them standing up on the floor or pole mounted. I had mine just standing up on the floor. I never tested them for a rattle laying down. Anyway, good luck and in this case, I hope you are unable to reproduce this as it means you have two gems of an L2m.

Excellent news that Line 6 may be using high quality components in its mic preamps. Your comment regarding the Burr-Brown chips is the first detail I have heard regarding them other than dynamic range. Thanks!

I am delighted to hear about Line 6's efforts to resolve the issue with the fan on the L2m/L2t! I look forward to purchasing some L2ms when the fan induced rattle issue has being fixed. Thank you for your response regarding the microphone preamps. I was aware of the excellent dynamic response of the Line 6 mic pres and my ears like them too. However, as I am sure you are aware of, dynamic response is not the only quality of a great mic pre, albeit an important one and critical to adequate "headroom". The quality of the electronic components used (limited admittedly by the mixer's price point), low noise, ability to match different input types, definition, and frequency range are all also important. Ultimately it is that almost ineffable and somewhat subjective quality of how "musical" the mic pre is that we are all most concerned with. I could not agree more that a sexy marketing name does not a great mic pre make. I am not sure however that branding a mic pre is the worst idea in the world if you are going to grow your own in-house. It helps put a focus and emphasis on this critical hardware component. Partnering with a known maker of high quality mic preamps is also a viable option. I would be interested in any links you could point me to regarding the Line 6 mic pres. It almost seems as if they were a bit of an afterthought or perhaps not one of the stronger points of the mixer due to the lack of detail in the literature on them. This could simply be a lack of marketing info on this component rather than a lack in the component itself. I was simply trying to encourage Line 6 to focus on this critical part of the signal chain. As the user "Digital-Sound" pointed out however this is probably getting off topic from the L2m rattle issue. I will try to redirect these sort of suggestions to ideascale or other parts of the forum.

I wanted to address "Digital-Sound's' post point by point. First off, I LOVE my StageScape system!!! There are several missing features and things that need to be improved. I repeat, however,I love this mixer! I can't wait for the next firmware/software update and even the next generation of this mixer. Here are a few things I would improve. Most importantly, Line 6 needs to partner with a top notch mic preamp maker or design some of their own. If a low end company like Behringer can do it (Midas mic pres), than certainly Line 6 can pull it off. Line 6 should not be relying on complex DSP processing to doctor up lower quality mic pres. Why did Line 6 produce such a magnificent sound system and not bother to provide it with top quality mic pres? I don't get it. It would be nice to see the Quick Record feature increased from 20 seconds to a few minutes. Twenty seconds of sound is a little lean for a decent sound check. I would also like to see more shared vocal and instrument presets in the Line 6 community. This one is on us, the user community. I would also like to see Line 6 spend more time on providing top quality instrument, effect, and mic presets, although the ones already on the M20d represent a fine start. More boutique presets from top notch artists and sound engineers would be awesome as well. I would like to see Line 6 increase the number of global FX to eight if possible. Four is rather limiting. I would add a few buttons or perhaps even sliders so that all of the M20D's channels could be controlled easily from the same screen. I would incorporate the 31 band EQ into the mixer instead of relying on the DSP in the speakers for this functionality. If that requires increasing the DSP power in the mixer, so be it. This would allow other manufacturers' speakers to be used more effectively with the M20d. One of the prime benefits of digital mixers is eliminating the need for outboard signal processing. Not including a 31 band EQ in the mixer (like most other decent digital mixers), is a glaring omission. An omission that is made more painful by the current state of affairs with the L2m/L2t. I would also fix the issue with only a couple of USB Ethernet adaptors being compatible with the M20d. You need to be able to upload any Ethernet driver to the M20d so that a wider range of Ethernet adaptors can be used. When these couple of Line 6 annointed adaptors are discontinued by the manufacturer (at least one has been already), there will be a mad Ebay scramble to locate ones that still work with your M20d. A failure point of built in obsolescence. Line 6, please spend some more time tuning and testing your speakers! If you cannot even detect a loud rattle coming out of your speakers, my confidence as to how much time and expertise has been applied to tuning them and finding their optimal sound design has been understandably severely shaken. I appreciate the point the user 'Digital-Sound' made about fans on amplifiers but think it is somewhat irrelevant in a discussion of powered speakers. I expect to see a fan on an amplifier(not an amplified speaker) but not necessarily on a powered speaker. One of the great benefits of a powered speaker is that you can use the motion of the speaker cone to passively cool the amp. There are no such moving parts on an amp that provide this ability, you must use a fan if your amp design generates too much heat. Although fans may be used in SOME other powered speakers, many use passive air cooling, and if at all possible this is a superior approach that eliminates the fan. By eliminating the fan they also eliminate a possible point of failure and of course in the example of the L2m/L2t, the rattle. If the cabinet design or amount of heat generated by the amp in the Line 6 speakers requires them to use a fan I would try to do the following. First see if a redesign of the speaker cab and power amp can get the heat level down low enough to use passive cooling. It that proves to be impossible, make sure to procure fans that do not rattle, have a long life span, and very importantly, include a top notch temperature detecting fusing system so that at least the user only has to fix a fan and replace a fuse if the fan dies (not a power amp, DSP motherboard, whatever.). Fans fail sooner or later. Therefor, I would encourage Line 6 to eliminate the fan if at all possible. I am happy that you are one of the lucky consumers who found a pair of speakers without this rattle although I suspect I could reproduce it in seconds even on yours. You may just not have noticed it or have your EQ set in such a way as to minimize it. Just turn the speaker volume up and hit an E chord on a hot clean guitar signal and I warrant you will hear it even on your system. But again, maybe you just got lucky. Many of us have not! As far as the "finding an L2m that does not rattle". First off, how many times should we expect a consumer to take back bad speakers before finding ones that work? I bought four and they all had the rattle. Finding ones that don't have the rattle is rather impractical. Are you going to go to a store and ask them to rip open the boxes of many speakers so you can test them? Even if they were willing, most stores only stock 2-4 speakers at best at any one time. And let's not even go down the road of what a pain it is to have to swap out speakers when they are mail ordered (shudder). Let me clarify my statement about the M20d "not playing well with other speakers". This comment was targeted solely at the omission of the 31 band EQ with anything but Line 6 (L6 Link) enabled speakers. Yes, of course the M20d still sounds good (but not as good as it could) with other speakers but is missing the critical sound shaping capability of a 31 band EQ. Yes you can use the M20d's parametric EQ to mitigate the problem partially but this is nonsense. Every pro sound man uses 31 band EQs for live sound. Buying an M20d to use with other speakers is like buying a Ferrari that does not have headlights. Critical functionality is missing. To get the most out of this system you are forced to buy Line 6 speakers, and the problematic paradox is that, currently their monitors/small mains (L2m/L2t) have a major manufacturing defect. Regarding "hanging in there". I have no choice. I am already out of my return period with my M20d mixer and L3s subs. I also own the L3m speakers (I was compelled to purchase them because of the problem with the L2m/L2t). I intend this post to be constructive feedback for Line 6 and as a warning to new adopters of this awesome sound system. Line 6 needs to jump on this issue with their small speakers and fix it! Simply acknowledging it is not enough. They have not fixed the issue yet! If I were the CEO at Line 6 I would fix the problem on the production line for all new speakers and issue a factory recall and fix for the existing ones that have this issue (at their own cost, not the consumers). It is NOT just hype! This mixing system does represent a paradigm shift for Line 6 and for live sound in general. I could go on and on about how many features I love in this mixer. The recording functionality alone is almost worth the price of admission although I understand that the latency is too high to use the M20d as a proper DAW (have not tried it yet). However, after spending thousands of dollars on this system I do not think it is too demanding to expect not to hear a loud rattle when I play through my PA; something even the cheapest bargain basement sound system is capable of. I want to see a next generation M20d and many software/firmware/hardware improvements. I don't want to see the StageScape system die on the vine to the sound of a pronounced death rattle in my mains/monitors.

I should say first that I was a huge fan and evangelist for the StageScape system and the M20d mixer until I was confronted with the horrible rattling problem with the smaller speakers in the StageScape line, the L2m (and I hear also the L2t). This problem leaves you without decent monitors or a smaller speaker option for small to medium size gigs! WARNING: THE L2m SPEAKERS HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE FAN, THEY RATTLE. DON'T BUY THEM, YOU WILL REGRET IT. There is a huge problem with the L2m speakers and consumers should stay away from these speakers until Line 6 either fixes the issue or guarantees that they will find and provide a free fix for anyone who buys the speakers with the current issue. I went through four L2ms before I finally gave up and returned them. Every one of them had a rattle when you play between an E to an F on the guitar. The problem is worse on some speakers but I could not find one that did not have the rattle. Line 6 tech support is aware of the issue and they believe it is an issue with the fan and resonant frequencies. It is ironic that it is the fan causing the issue. Line 6 should not be using fan cooling!!! If Line 6 had done a better job of design on these speakers they would have used passive cooling for the electronics and power supply like most every other speaker manufacturer. Passive cooling uses the movement of air by the speaker cone to cool the electronics. Instead, all Line 6 PA speakers are probably guaranteed to fail when their fans crap out. It may take a few years if all goes well but these fans will almost inevitably fail (as most fans do) and your speaker will then promptly melt down and require an expensive repair, even if you get lucky enough to only need a fuse replaced. This loud rattle is unacceptable in any speaker but particularly in one that is both very expensive, and more importantly, the only option if you want to be able to use the 31 band EQ on the StageScape mixer. Line 6, please fix these speakers for current users and don't make any more until the problem has been fixed. I was so irked that I was forced to move up to the L3Ms just to have a working set of L6 compliant speakers. I would have gone with another brand of speakers if it were not for the fact, at the risk of being redundant, that Line 6 crippled the StageScape mixer and only includes the 31 band EQ when you buy their speakers. When you produce a mixer design like this, you darn well better produce a working speaker to go with it. The L2m is to be avoided like the plague right now (the L2t from what I hear as well but I have not tried those). In other words, the only Line 6 speaker that is the right size for a monitor, or a small to mid size main, has a bad rattle. That means that you currently can't get an L6 compliant monitor speaker or small main for your StageScape setup that does not have a known issue. Shame on you Line 6, fix this now! And btw, someone at Line 6 owes me a serious rebate or credit. I am stuck with my StageScape Mixer two L3s subs and no decent L6 monitors or small mains at great expense. Wow, who let crap like the L2m roll off the production line? All someone had to do was plug a guitar directly into an L2m or run any test with a band through the StageScape and the L2m and they would have heard the loud rattling immediately. Line 6 is clearly doing nothing to tune or optimize the sound on their speakers. You are getting these speakers from a lab and a factory line without anyone going to any effort to tune the speaker or make sure it is free of major defects. In this case a bad defect that seems to show up across the entire production line of the L2m(L2t?). Fire your test lab people immediately!! I hope you don't censor me and not allow this post. I went to the hassle of testing, troubleshooting, and ultimately returning, these speakers (twice). Please feel free to contact me if you have any plans of compensating those of us who loved our StageScape mixer enough to go out and buy the whole system (mixer, subs, L3ms) and are now stuck with no viable monitor or small speaker main option. I believe we are entitled to at the very least a generous credit towards the L2m if they ever fix the rattle. Lastly I would say this, Line 6 appears to be making an attempt to be accepted as producers of high end expensive Pro audio hardware and not just inexpensive effect pedals. WIth an initial list price of $2800 for the StageScape mixer and $1400 for the L3m speaker, you are no longer selling a toy! To sell a proprietary(L6) mixer system like the Stagescape that does not play well with anyone else's speakers and then have the monitor/small mains not work correctly is just irresponsible. I really wanted to believe Line 6 was making premium quality equipment and I invested heavily in this system. I am bitterly dissappointed!