Atrain_dlp
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Thanks guys! I do have all the model packs. I love the JC120 and have a nice clean patch for that one. I also use a tube drive on it and it sounds great. I'm looking forward to messing around with the Soldanos. I really wanted to love it because of the 3 different models but wasn't able to get a compelling tone with the FRFR setup. The one that really came alive with the SV was the blackface deluxe. It sounded ok before but became shockingly better.
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Thanks space, I think I am going to run it in the combo power amp output setting and work up some new patches. Thanks for the tips on the park and plexi, I will play around with those and try boosting them with the screamer. Would certainly love to hear about other pre model configurations/settings you've had good luck with using the SV...or anyone else's experiences for that matter.
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So I had a little time to toggle through the PRE models and experiment with the "combo power amp" output setting a little. One thing I noticed is that some of the PRE models lack the gain/distortion of of the full. I could crank the gain all the way up on the 75 and the Plexi and it was only lightly distorting. The cleans sounded cleaner, the studio direct had a little more grit in the cleans. The combo power amp setting sounded more authentic than the studio direct in some cases but the studio direct had richer distortions (at reasonable volume) in others. I think I just need to pick a lane and work up some new patches.
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Okay so you always keep the output mode in studio direct and just make eq/gain adjustments at a higher volume for playing live? Are you using the full or pre models? Thanks for the tips!
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That's what I'm reading as well. Currently I'm just using it in the house at lower volumes. I'll have some time over the weekend to play around with the output modes and the PRE models. I had always used my XT Live direct into the house when I was playing for our church. Micing an amp would be new for me. When you mic an amp, what amp volume level are you using? I guess what I'm getting at is if I need to develop different patches for home and live playing in a church setting.
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Cool, I can see I have some experimenting to do!
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Interesting. Are you guys running the full amp/cab models or just the pre with no cab?
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Space, you running studio/direct as well?
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I'm running studio direct as well and it sounds great, just wondering if you all were doing the same.
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What output mode are you using to the amp?
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The tubes in the SV were original from 2008 so today I put in new Mesa 5881s and 12AX7s. Un-flipping-believable. I now truly see how good the HD500x modeling is. Amps and effects just sound and feel real now. My hat is off to all the FRFR guys making it work, but my Alto 212 is going on Craig's list tomorrow!
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I'm starting to feel like luggin this 112 around is better than spending an entire afternoon trying to make a tone sound right through my Alto. I suck at using all the EQs and trying to cut highs and lows and pinpointing bad frequencies on everything. I just want to set up a simple chain and play and sound good. I think this may be the ticket for me.
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So I have been running my HD500x with an Alto 212 powered speaker. I have come up with some pretty "okay" tones but it's been a bit of a battle for me to get patches I really like. Yesterday on a whim I picked up a cheap hardly used Spider Valve MKI (the tube amp not the spider). Im playing around with it and it's pretty fun despite its limitations. Anyway, I decide to run my HD500x through the power amp. Holy cow! What a huge difference. Everything sounds more realistic and full than with the Alto. Dang, I guess I'm not cut out for FRFR speakers! Just thought I'd post my experience. If you need me I'll be starting over on building patches, lol. Cheers!
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POD HD500X and HD500 - Sharing Patch Settings
Atrain_dlp replied to williamrobyasm's topic in POD HD
Thanks for keeping your thread going. Would love to see what you do with the clean, crunch, and overdrive Soldano models williamrobyasm! -
POD HD500X and HD500 - Sharing Patch Settings
Atrain_dlp replied to williamrobyasm's topic in POD HD
Very good! Still baffling to me how the pre amp patches sound so good through my FRFR speaker. I thought you needed a cab for them to sound right. -
POD HD500X and HD500 - Sharing Patch Settings
Atrain_dlp replied to williamrobyasm's topic in POD HD
I'm curious as to why you choose to use the preamp models instead of the full for your tones. I use an Alto 212 powered speaker and I've noticed a couple of tones I downloaded that sound great are using the preamp version as well. Still trying to figure this thing out. Thanks! -
POD HD500X and HD500 - Sharing Patch Settings
Atrain_dlp replied to williamrobyasm's topic in POD HD
pianoguyy does have a point in that it would be much easier if you posted your tones in customtone. I like the vids though and hope you do some lower gain crunch and clean stuff along with the shred. -
POD HD500X and HD500 - Sharing Patch Settings
Atrain_dlp replied to williamrobyasm's topic in POD HD
That slash tone actually sounds really good through my Alto TS212. I have always thought I needed the full amp model and not the "pre" for good tones with a FRFR powered speaker. I can see I have more to learn. -
POD HD500X and HD500 - Sharing Patch Settings
Atrain_dlp replied to williamrobyasm's topic in POD HD
Thanks for posting these, will have to give them a try through my setup! -
Good point Bill! We'll see how it goes with the MFEQ. I feel like it's something simple contributing to lack of clarity in my distortions. I'll be thrilled if just trimming a little more of my highs and lows cures my issue. Thanks for giving me something new to try!
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Thanks guys. DunedinDragon's advice (in a different thread) on adjusting the GEQ to dial down the overall extreme high/low settings made sense to me however I agree that if I have to EQ each patch anyway, messing with the GEQ settings isn't necessary. I will put the GEQ back to stock settings and try working with the MFEQ. And yes, I totally burned up a couple hours last weekend messing with the PEQ and a few different amp models and never really played. It was frustrating but I'm not a quitter :) I have been on the meambobbo website...good stuff but it's a lot to take in for someone like me, inexperienced in the nuances of fine tuning EQ and tone. I just don't have much experience with that. I definitely learn better by watching someone go through the process, hence the YouTube tutorial comment. Thanks again for the helpful advice.
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Understood. I'm realizing my expectations were off with the FRFR setup as I thought I would get relatively pure representations of the models and effects without having to do a ton of tweaking. I just need to figure out what is negatively affecting my crunch/distortion tones and I will be good. As hurghanico suggested, it may be that I just need to spend more time cutting highs and lows with the MFEQ...it does make a little sense as to why I found it difficult to pinpoint a particular issue using the PEQ. I'm definitely interested in hearing from more FRFR users as to the methods they use to dial in.
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Thanks for the advice on the MFEQ hurghanico! I will experiment with it and see how it works for me. So you don't feel like my GEQ low/high pass set at 100hz/8.5khz is doing enough to clean up my tones with distortion? It's kind of hard to describe what I hear...distortions are sort of mushy and nondescript vs. crisp and clear. The distortion pedal effects seem to lack their distinct characters. Definitely not what I'm hearing when watching tutorials on YouTube. I don't have an issue with the clean tones. Is it common for FRFR speaker users to have to EQ their distortion tones to get an authentic sound? I actually expected to have less issues dialing in tones with them. Thanks again!
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I know this is an old thread but thank you for posting your findings DunedinDragon. I recently upgraded my XT Live to a HD500x and picked up an Alto TS212. I keep running across your posts and they have been very helpful. The GEQ low/high cut settings you recommended in another thread (100hz/8.5khz) and ensuring it was studio/direct made a big improvement. I'm still having a tough time getting my distortion tones to sound good, mild and higher gain. I've just started messing around with the parametric EQ a bit. If you have any new recommendations or lessons learned, I'm all ears! People seem to get great tones with simple chains and no EQ's so I don't know what my problem is, lol!