xakep4e7o999 Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 Hi, i have an issue. i got the Line 6 hd500x processor along with the Grandmeister 36 by HughesundKettner but by mistake for the next few day i´m with the Tubemeister 36 (in case you need to know). I tried the amp without the processor and after that i connected the processor with the 4 cable method.I want to use the processor only for effects although i the future i will probably see how good are the simulations : ).So the problem is that after i plugged the processor i tried some presets for 10 minutes and then i touched the amp´s knobs and buttons, and nothing works,the buttons light up in their color when i change the channels and there is no difference, i touch the volume,high,mid,low knobs - nothing, the reverb knob on the back of the amp head, still, nothing. i can adjust only the master volume from the processor. And the main reason is (maybe you will find it funny) i want to see if the tube amp has the same sound with the processor plugged in, i want to have a clean connection between the guitar and the amp with the processor plugged in, and have the hughesundkettner exact sound, and then after that,over that sound to add effects,, knowing that hughesundkettner is ther (im not some crazy fan, i just think that the amp sounds really sweet) Anyways, nothing moves and i hope i didnt do something right,I have no idea if there is special option whenever i want to use only the preamp of my tube amp or the whole amp in its natural sounding, or i just have to disable the amp from the screen (i literally wasted the last one hour trying to figure out why when i connect the processor with the 4 cable method (i didn´t try other method) is my amp "frozen".maybe the processor is using only the power amp of my amp,but i turned every effect from the processor OFF, and still nothing. Thanks Anthony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arislaf Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 When you use the 4CM your amp is using only the power amp section. Your preamp and all the preamp controls get canceled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron55 Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 When you use the 4CM your amp is using only the power amp section. Your preamp and all the preamp controls get canceled. Not true, the 4CM method allows you too feed the Line 6 effects into the front end of your amp (preamp) and the send of your amps effects loop goes back into the line 6 into the FX loop block. So basically the 4CM method allows you to use your gate, boost, distortion effects into your amp, then the modulation effects post preamp. Most liley the conenctions are not correct and settiigs and levels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arislaf Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 :S ???? That means I have the same problem with the OP !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjnette Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 You are both right. Depending where you put the FX loop and if amp is on or off. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joel_brown Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 The OP said he used Presets. Don't you have to set the HD500 Send and Returns manually when doing the 4cm method otherwise you won't get any sound ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PastorJohnLeger Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 I have a Line 6 DT25 112 amp and a POD HD500X with a Line 6 Link cable connection. Does the four cable method still apply, or can it be done in a simplified way because of the Link cable? If I still must use the four cable method to get my natural amp sounds, can I leave the Link cable connected to use with other patches? Also are there any patches available for the POD HD500X that would match the DT25 four native amps (Classic American Clean, British Crunch, Chime and Modern High-Gain)? Thanks! John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuberto Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 To the OP, Bjnette speaks the truth. With the 4CM, you need to set one of the FX blocks on the POD as a FX Send. Without doing so, you're simply plugging the guitar to the POD and the output of the POD to the H&K effects return. None of the preamp controls will do a thing. Think of the FX Send block on the POD as the H&K preamp. You (in theory as there are no rules) want wah, overdrives & distortions first, then the FX Send, followed by modulations, delay and reverb. The final POD output goes to the H&K Effects Return and straight to its Master Volume knob. To PastorJohnLedger - with a DT amp, forget all about 4CM. The L6 Link is designed to achieve the same thing and to do so much more. The only thing you'd gain would be some CPU saving. I used to use the 4CM on my old amp, since owning a DT I've never used anything but the L6 Link. The amp models on the DT are also in the POD. 1 is one of the Fenders, 2 is the Park, 3 is the Vox and 4 is the Treadplate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PastorJohnLeger Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 Thanks Just Starten'. The Blackface ‘Lux NRM sounds the closest to the DT25 Amp Model I with following settings: Drive: 39% Bass: 50% Mid: 39% Treble: 50% Pres: 83% Ch Vol: 100% E.R.: 12% Mic: 57 on Axis Cab Model: 1x12 Blackface 'Lux Low Cut: 20Hz Res Level: 0% Thump: 100% Decay: 50% Class: A/B Topology: I Mode: Pent For the DT25 Classic American Clean sound, what Reverb pedal and settings should I use on the POD HD500X to match the sound of the DT25? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuberto Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 Spring (I think). Settings, I have no idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PastorJohnLeger Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 I think you are right! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Saxman Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 Res Level: 0% Thump: 100% Decay: 50% If the res level is 0%, does the Thumb and Decay parameters have any effect? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncann Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 If the res level is 0%, does the Thumb and Decay parameters have any effect? I tried this yesterday on a higher gain tone using the Angel F-Ball, and to my ears, it sounds like it does not. But, I'm probably quite wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
namklak Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 OP, did you fix your problem? I did a gig last weekend with your exact setup, worked so well I'm trading the TM36 for a GM36. Btw, both amps have digital solid state control components, it sounds like you zapped it with ESD. Maybe it recovered after a power cycle... Also, the GM36 has good enough effects I'm not using 4cm any more... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pwhittles Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 My amp doesn't have an effects loop so I have never been able to try this method :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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