NucleusX Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 Anyone out there that's bought the new model packs know how much DSP the Line6 amps use in comparison to the HD amps ? I know someone approximated DSP percentages for all the stock amps and FX for the POD HD a while back, so I'm curious if anyone can provide a simular approximation for the Line6 amps, as both singular and dual amp configurations, if possible, thanks ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncann Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 If we're looking at the same estimation, full hd amps use ~ 40%, maybe less in some cases. The pre versions use ~ 35%. So, the new Line 6 amps ported from older hardware would be somewhere in the range of 30% to 35%, since they don't model the power amps. Dual amps I would assume take twice as much as a single amp. But one thing I've noticed with some of the new hd amps is that the modeling is really good and adding all kinds of EQ or other finessing effects seems unnecessary. Maybe it's similar for the Line 6 offerings. Haven't yet tried them myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NucleusX Posted May 26, 2015 Author Share Posted May 26, 2015 Ahh ok thx Duncann, so your saying the Line6 models that where ported over where just pre-amp type models without a respective power amp and cabinet ? Do they they appear in the POD HD with "pre" next to the model names ? I'm a lil clueless here seen as tho I never owned a POD before the HD series, and still pondering/procrastinating wether I'll be getting these packs or not. Even tho those amps aren't HD, I think including them into the bundle is a great idea over-all for those DSP conscious type people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverhead Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 No. All the Line 6 models in the new model packs have only the 'full' model, including mic, power amp, and cab emulations. There is no 'pre' model for these amps. The modelling is pre-HD vintage which has been ported into the Pod HD devices. Pre-HD there were no pre-amp models; just the full thing. The fact that they use less DSP is because they do not utilize the HD modelling. It's an import of older technology done to satisfy high user demand for these older models. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NucleusX Posted May 26, 2015 Author Share Posted May 26, 2015 Ok cool. I mostly run with dual HD amps, but the remaining DSP left over for other FX was something that I always found a bit limiting, so if running dual Line6 non-HD amp models use approx %60 - %70, that should open up a couple more FX slots to play with ? that's what I'm mostly concerned about here really. No doubt I could use them for "finessing" as Duncann puts it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverhead Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 Can't say whether using the Line 6 amps in dual-amp mode will free up any additional FX slots. In theory it sounds good but you'll only know when you try, and it will still be dependent on the particular amps and FX you want to use in the preset. And don't forget the 30-day return policy if you find you don't want to keep the model pack(s). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NucleusX Posted May 26, 2015 Author Share Posted May 26, 2015 Hmm good point, thanks ! Still, If anyone out there has tried the Line6 amps (single or dual) from the new model packs, and can approximately quantify DSP usage or, can notice more available DSP leftover from a particular combination of Line6 amps, your input is most welcome. The high-gain amps are the ones I'm mostly interested in, but really any combo of Line6 non-HD amps should provide "some" DSP usage insight. I'm surprised no-one has covered this one yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncann Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 With the pre-hd models, on an hd500x, I'm able to do two of each, and likely in any combination of two, along with: 1. noise gate 2. tube comp 3. tube drive 4. phaser 5., parametric eq 6. stereo delay, digital delay w/ mod, analog delay w/ mod, auto volume, multi-head delay 7. spring reverb (or even octo) 8. spring reverb (or even octo) So it seems like the pre-hd models are really, really light on dsp, somewhere around 20-25% at most. A little confusion about the pre-hd models. Do these amps have power amp modeling? Because there are no power-amp DEPs for any of these amps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil_m Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 A little confusion about the pre-hd models. Do these amps have power amp modeling? Because there are no power-amp DEPs for any of these amps. Nope, they are the preamps only. They were designed for use with the DT amps, so the real tube power amp section would provide the power section. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncann Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 Nope, they are the preamps only. They were designed for use with the DT amps, so the real tube power amp section would provide the power section. Ahh. Ok, thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edstar1960 Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 Nope, they are the preamps only. They were designed for use with the DT amps, so the real tube power amp section would provide the power section. I think he may be referring to the amps that are from the X3 line when he says pre-HD, as opposed to the pre-amp HD versions of the full HD amps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edstar1960 Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 A little confusion about the pre-hd models. Do these amps have power amp modeling? Because there are no power-amp DEPs for any of these amps. By pre-HD models are you referring to the X3 amps that have been ported over? If you are then I believe they are full versions BUT because they are from the X3 line and have been converted over they do not have the HD DEP parameters available as they were introduced with the HD models. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil_m Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 I think he may be referring to the amps that are from the X3 line when he says pre-HD, as opposed to the pre-amp HD versions of the full HD amps. Oh, I see now, yeah, I misread that. You're right. For the XT/X3 models that were ported over, there are no DEP controls as edstar1960 noted. Many of these models are Line 6 originals, so there was no real amp to actually model, thus, not really anything to based the DEP stuff off of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncann Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 :lol: Confused again. :unsure: So just because there are no DEP controls, doesn't mean that these ported amps (converted from earlier tech) have no simulated, or invented, power amp? I'll try an answer my own question by saying that based on how little DSP these amps use, there is no power-amp section, hidden from view or otherwise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRealZap Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 every new model in the packs have FULL models.. (preamp+power amp modeled) only the newly HD models have PRE-models. the lack of DEP control on the ported models is because those factors were not modeled on the previous platform.... the power amp and preamp WERE modeled together.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncann Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 I understand that the ported models don't have pre-amp only versions, because there is no corresponding amp with the pre suffix. But what you're saying is that when these models were originally created, some form of power-amp modeling/creation/invention took place. So saying that these amps lack a power-amp stage, or calling them pre-amps, is incorrect? It is just hidden from view, and can't be separated like the hd models? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil_m Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 I understand that the ported models don't have pre-amp only versions, because there is no corresponding amp with the pre suffix. But what you're saying is that when these models were originally created, some form of power-amp modeling/creation/invention took place. So saying that these amps lack a power-amp stage, or calling them pre-amps, is incorrect? It is just hidden from view, and can't be separated like the hd models? They're full models, so for all intents and purposes, they do include power amp modeling. They were created using a different modeling platform, and I imagine a different modeling protocol, so my guess is they just don't have the data needed to make the DEP controls meaningful. Again, most of these amps are "virtual" to begin, so it's not like they could even go and re-shoot them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRealZap Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 yes they are full models... they never had the DEP controls modeled... but the power amp is factored into the model... they are all made up line6 models anyway... so i doubt there was a"modeled" power amp... but the effects of the power amp were factored in and the model is a FULL model... in fact if there had ever been any pre models of these.. they quite obviously would have been included... they are 100% full models (preamp+power amp) I understand that the ported models don't have pre-amp only versions, because there is no corresponding amp with the pre suffix. But what you're saying is that when these models were originally created, some form of power-amp modeling/creation/invention took place. So saying that these amps lack a power-amp stage, or calling them pre-amps, is incorrect? It is just hidden from view, and can't be separated like the hd models? yes saying that is incorrect: So saying that these amps lack a power-amp stage, or calling them pre-amps, is incorrect? It is just hidden from view, and can't be separated like the hd models? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NucleusX Posted May 27, 2015 Author Share Posted May 27, 2015 So it seems like the pre-hd models are really, really light on dsp, somewhere around 20-25% at most. This is starting to sound more like a good idea if what you say here is true and free's up DSP. This factor alone would sell me on the model packs :) . I've read good things about these amps regardless of them not being HD. Aside from definition, whats the crunch and chug like ? good enough for respectable live metal and recordings ? Don't wanna stuff around with updates just for trialing them, just wanna pull a permanent trigger and be done with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BucF16 Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 You'll be just fine for heavy stuff. If Big Bottom doesn't chug for you...well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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