Anyone using DT amp with Helix?

[Paultm]

Has anyone had any good tones and switching via Midi?

[2194rich]

Yep, I've spent a bit of time playing through a DT-25 both via L6Link and through the FX return.

 

Initially I was really unimpressed with the tone via L6Link, it sounded really compressed and midrangey, but then I realised that it was using the DT preamp even when running over L6Link, so not at all like the HD500 integration.  There's also a weird quirk where the topology selection disappears (all lights are dark on the front panel) so you can't control the topology from the amp.  The solution here is to use MIDI to deactivate the preamp in the DT and control the topology - for experimenting with tones I found it best to have the DT connected to my laptop using DTEdit to control the amp settings rather than controlling via Helix, and then use specifically programmed MIDI settings with patches as required.  A good "general purpose" setting seemed to be topology IV for me, but obviously it depends on the amp models you're using in Helix and the tones you're trying to create.

 

As an aside, I also experimented with running via the FX return as a power amp in - the tones using this approach were ok but I found that the FX return sits after the master control on the amp, which is not what I was expecting given that the master control usually governs power amp gain - the result is that you can only control volume using the volume control on Helix.

[talwilkins]

I have also disabled the cab sim in the DT-25 because I want to use the better cab sims of Helix.

It sounds great at moderate volume. Still have to wait and see how it holds up at high volume but I think it will be fine.

I use Line 6 Link, no pre amp, no cab sim. I can switch topology through midi, no problem there.

[DarrellM5]

I've been using L6 Link and a Midi cable with great success to get incredible tones out of the DT.  

 

I set up presets to automatically send the MIDI commands to change the DT preamp to none and to select Pentode/Triode, class A or A/B, topology and choose the microphone I want.

 

Easy to do and sounds great.  So great, in fact, that I just sold my HD500X.

[talwilkins]

I've been using L6 Link and a Midi cable with great success to get incredible tones out of the DT.  

 

I set up presets to automatically send the MIDI commands to change the DT preamp to none and to select Pentode/Triode, class A or A/B, topology and choose the microphone I want.

 

Easy to do and sounds great.  So great, in fact, that I just sold my HD500X.

 

I wonder, why do you use the microphone and cab sim from the DT?

I would think these are better in the Helix.

 

I'm still searching for the best method and my logic says DT to no pre amp, no cab and no mic.

I haven't had the chance to hear it at high volume though.

 

What are your thoughts and experiences?

[DarrellM5]

I wonder, why do you use the microphone and cab sim from the DT?

I would think these are better in the Helix.

 

I'm still searching for the best method and my logic says DT to no pre amp, no cab and no mic.

I haven't had the chance to hear it at high volume though.

 

What are your thoughts and experiences?

 

I'm not sure why I chose to use the cab sims from the DT; probably a lack of understanding exactly how they work combined with very limited documentation from Line 6 on the matter.  The microphone setting doesn't really matter as it only affects the DT's direct outs.

 

I'll do some more experimenting this weekend and post my findings.  I'll definitely try no preamp, cab or mic.

[radatats]

I have also disabled the cab sim in the DT-25 because I want to use the better cab sims of Helix.

It sounds great at moderate volume. Still have to wait and see how it holds up at high volume but I think it will be fine.

I use Line 6 Link, no pre amp, no cab sim. I can switch topology through midi, no problem there.

 

Tal - can you share your preset for that on Customtone or here?  I have DarrelM5's preset (thanks) but it still uses the DT cabs.  Do you have the topology switching assigned to FS?  Do you still have to have the DT controls turned up when there is no amp assigned?  How do you set your DT up in this configuration? 

 

Thanks to all of you for your assistance on here, much appreciated...

[ColonelForbin]

The missing link in my mind is still figuring out how to apply cab+mic AFTER the DT speaker output. That, and will future firmware updates expand the routing options of l6link as it pertains to Helix?

 

Not sure it matters to apply a cab sim as part of the DT speaker output, though that is what you hear with an HD+DT, l6linked.

 

I'll be waiting another month or so before my Helix gets here, have to live vicariously through ya'all!

[radatats]

The missing link in my mind is still figuring out how to apply cab+mic AFTER the DT speaker output.

 

not sure what you mean here...  I just want to send the Helix preamp with all Helix FX to the DT tube power section and to the physical cab with no cab or mic sims from either the Helix or DT.  This is where I prefer the offline editor so I can play around building patches on the computer, making FS and controller assignments and midi commands to test later...

[ColonelForbin]

not sure what you mean here... I just want to send the Helix preamp with all Helix FX to the DT tube power section and to the physical cab with no cab or mic sims from either the Helix or DT. This is where I prefer the offline editor so I can play around building patches on the computer, making FS and controller assignments and midi commands to test later...

Yes, with you on the first part- Helix FX and preamp model to DT. And I suppose, post amp model FX as well.

 

From there, I want to work up some way to take that and send it back to the Helix, and run the DT XLR out (with no cab or mic) through a Helix cab+mic, or Helix IR, in order to generate a "direct" signal to feed a PA or FRFR speaker.

 

I realize you can just make two paths, and use the DT as amp only, or even just mic the cab on the DT. I like the current XLR out from the DT, would just prefer to use the Helix cabs, mics, IR's, over the HD/DT cab+mic.

 

I suppose easiest way, send the XLR out of the DT, with no cab or mic,and route it back through Helix. But since you cannot currently split out what gets sent through the L6link, you would need to use some other means to send signal to the DT.

 

Oroborois, chasing it's tail! Presumably you can't make Helix only send the preamp through the L6link to the DT, since the options are Left, Right, or Left/Right summed.

 

If you can tell it to do that for specific paths, or not route the post DT Helix cab+mic, then it would work. I dunno, gotta get my own Helix and try some ideas!! Until then, sheer speculation and guesswork on my part..

 

Cheers!

[radatats]

I don't think you can turn off the cab sim on the DT Direct out can you?  I don't see it anywhere in the manual or the midi guide.  If you can then I guess you could bring it back into the Helix for processing...

 

I'm just looking to do wet-dry-wet with the DT and my PA.

[talwilkins]

I don't think you can turn off the cab sim on the DT Direct out can you?  I don't see it anywhere in the manual or the midi guide.  If you can then I guess you could bring it back into the Helix for processing...

 

I'm just looking to do wet-dry-wet with the DT and my PA.

 

In DT Edit you can turn the cab sim off.

 

Tal - can you share your preset for that on Customtone or here?  I have DarrelM5's preset (thanks) but it still uses the DT cabs.  Do you have the topology switching assigned to FS?  Do you still have to have the DT controls turned up when there is no amp assigned?  How do you set your DT up in this configuration? 

 

Thanks to all of you for your assistance on here, much appreciated...

 

At this time I don't have the midi commands in my presets, I just turned the pre amp, cab sim and mic off in DT-Edit.

Still figuring out what the final method will be.

I think the Speaker and Cab of the DT is pretty flat respaonse and needs a cab sim to make the amp sounf more authentic. 

That's what the thing was develloped for, to use different cab sims for different amps. My experience useing no cab sim with DT + POD HD500(X) weren't very positive.

That's why I feel the best will probably to use no cab on the DT and then use the better cabs from HELIX.

When connecting the DT through Line6 Link all amp controlles are useless on the DT (I turn all knobs to 0).

Only the master volume for the power amp works. This means to me that all processing is on HELIX and the DT only delivers tube power amplification.

I still need to hear it at high volume though to be sure it really sounds good.

I'll keep you posted

[DarrellM5]

I don't think you can turn off the cab sim on the DT Direct out can you?  I don't see it anywhere in the manual or the midi guide.  If you can then I guess you could bring it back into the Helix for processing...

 

 

In DT Edit you can turn the cab sim off.

 

You can definitely set the 'Speaker Cab type' to None (MIDI guide page 2.5) but I can't find anything that would suggest that it can be turned off for the XLR Direct Out.

 

It is possible, however, that turning the mic emulation off would have the same effect as turning off the cab.  'Can't make any sound if nothing is there to capture it' is kind of what I'm thinking.

[talwilkins]

You can definitely set the 'Speaker Cab type' to None (MIDI guide page 2.5) but I can't find anything that would suggest that it can be turned off for the XLR Direct Out.

 

It is possible, however, that turning the mic emulation off would have the same effect as turning off the cab.  'Can't make any sound if nothing is there to capture it' is kind of what I'm thinking.

 

Don't you think that selecting No Cab will also turn of the cab to XLR?

What cab would the DT then choose to send there?

[ColonelForbin]

I appreciate you 'early responders'! Tal, Radatats, Darrell - you guys ROCK! I am of course, completely jealous and mad at myself for not being able to snag a Helix sooner... But, good things come to those who wait.. :)

 

Darn good questions about disabling the cab and mic sim that feeds the XLR out on the DT. I always thought of it as being related to the cab chosen either with the HD or the DT, but I think you guys may have a point. I seem to remember something about how the DT voices the cab chosen with the amp model to the DT speaker, but then the XLR out is as if you mic'd the 1x12 cab of the DT amp itself and may have nothing to do with the cab associated with the amp model.. And the mic sim chosen as the default on the DT is what feeds that XLR output..

 

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm... Major food for thought you guys!

[ColonelForbin]

Don't you think that selecting No Cab will also turn of the cab to XLR?

What cab would the DT then choose to send there?

 

Possibly the 1x12 cab of the actual DT cabinet/speaker? So it voices the preamp model + cab to the actual DT speaker, with no mic sim, then the XLR emulates as if you mic'd the actual DT speaker, and the mic model set in the DTEdit pairs with the 'DT cab model'?

[ColonelForbin]

-The DT quick start manual is pretty vague, and doesn't delve into any detail about the cab/mic used to feed the XLR out..

 

12. Cabinet Simulated Direct Out – Provides a transformer-tapped direct output with cabinet simulation for studio recording or live performance without mic’ing your amplifier. The ground lift switch can be used to eliminate hum or buzz.

 

 

-The more detailed Link connectivity manual doesn't add much more info:

 

The DT amplifier’s DIRECT OUT continues to function as an analog output with L6 LINK in use. Use of this XLR output is recommended to feed your “fully baked†POD HD + DT amp tone to an external recorder, mixing console, etc. Since the audio signal fed to the DT amp via L6 LINK is a mono signal, this Direct Out is a mono signal as well. Note that the Direct Out functionality differs based on the DT amp’s LOW VOLUME MODE (see page 4•3) and STANDBY switch settings:

 

• Low Volume Mode Off, Amp in Standby = The DT amp’s Direct Out is disabled.

• Low Volume Mode On, Amp in Standby = Direct Out signal consists of the “Full†(preamp + power amp) Amp Model with no analog amp. This is a handy option for “silent recording†while still providing the tone of a cranked amp.

• Low Volume Mode Off, Amp On (not in Standby) = Direct Out signal consists of the “Preamp†Amp Model with the analog amp.

• Low Volume Mode On, Amp On (not in Standby) = Direct Out signal consists of the “Full†Amp Model and the analog amp.

[ColonelForbin]

 

I think the Speaker and Cab of the DT is pretty flat respaonse and needs a cab sim to make the amp sounf more authentic. 

That's what the thing was develloped for, to use different cab sims for different amps. My experience useing no cab sim with DT + POD HD500(X) weren't very positive.

 

Yeah, same here. I tried it a couple of times, and it didn't sound 'right' without the cab sim going to the actual DT speaker

[DarrellM5]

Well, we've created more questions than we started with.  It sure would help if Line 6 would disclose more info about how the DT works.  I guess I'll be experimenting quite a bit this weekend, and posting my findings of course.

[DarrellM5]

I've been trying some things today.  I've been doing some A/B comparisons between Helix cabs and the same models in the DT.  Both sound fine with not that much difference to my ears.  

 

I'm using DT Edit to control the DT and I'm running L6 Link.

 

The microphone selections on the DT definitely affect the sound even with amp/cab/reverb all set to None.  Topology/Voicing doesn't have an effect when everything is set to None either.  

 

I haven't tried anything with the XLR Direct Out yet.

 

I think, for simplicity, I'll create a Helix template that automatically sets amp/cab/reverb/microphone to None and use that as a starting point for all my DT presets.

I could just set these to None with DT Edit and leave them that way but I'd rather have my preset double check them each time.

 

I guess I can still set up Channel B on the DT to use stand alone with pedals.

 

Should work fine.

[radatats]

I think, for simplicity, I'll create a Helix template that automatically sets amp/cab/reverb/microphone to None and use that as a starting point for all my DT presets.

I could just set these to None with DT Edit and leave them that way but I'd rather have my preset double check them each time.

 

I guess I can still set up Channel B on the DT to use stand alone with pedals.  Should work fine.

 

Cool beans.  I would love a copy of that template when you get it done.  I don't really want to set the DT to none permanently, just when using the Helix with L6 link.  Rather keep my eight separate amp/cab setups. Although I have to admit I never really play it standalone...

 

So are you saying that with none selected, you can't change topology by midi?  Interesting...

[DarrellM5]

Cool beans.  I would love a copy of that template when you get it done.  I don't really want to set the DT to none permanently, just when using the Helix with L6 link.  Rather keep my eight separate amp/cab setups. Although I have to admit I never really play it standalone...

 

So are you saying that with none selected, you can't change topology by midi?  Interesting...

 

If Helix sends the MIDI commands to set the DT to None for all those parameters, I think the DT will stay that way until it receives commands to change again.  I guess I could make another Helix template to put them back.

 

If the amps and cabs are set to none for each of the voicings/topologys on Channel A, swtiching topologies doesn't seem to affect anything except volume level a bit.  Actually, since there's a MIDI command to choose Voicing, I could make the template to always select Voicing I and set amp/cab/mic to None.  Then it would only affect one of the DT's eight amp/cab setups.  I think I'll try that.

 

I'll dedicate DT Channel A, Voicing I to Helix and the other seven should be available for standalone use.

 

I can think of 2 ways to accomplish this.

 

Method 1 (Easy)

• Use DT Edit to set up Channel 1, Voicing I so that the amp/cab/mic/reverb are all set to None
• Disconnect DT Edit and hook up a MIDI cable from Helix to the DT
• Set up Helix Command Center Instant Command 1 to MIDI CC, Base, 122, 0.  (This selects Channel A and Voicing I)

 

Method 2 (More complex)

 

Set up the Helix Command Center Instant Commands to:

• Instant 1 = MIDI CC, Base, 122, 0 (selects Channel A and Voicing I)
• Instant 2 = MIDI CC, Base,  11,  0 (selects None for Amp)
• Instant 3 = MIDI CC, Base,  71,  0 (selects None for Cab)
• Instant 4 = MIDI CC, Base,  82,  0 (selects None for XLR Direct Out Mic Emulation, this is the only MIDI command I can find that affects the mic)
• Instant 5 = MIDI CC, Base,  37,  0 (selects None for Reverb)

 

Edit:  Method 1 seems to work great so I might stick with that. 

[ColonelForbin]

If the amps and cabs are set to none for each of the voicings/topologys on Channel A, swtiching topologies doesn't seem to affect anything except volume level a bit.

 

Sounds like it's working! Topology III is the loudest of them. If you are hearing volume changes with shifts in the topo selection, then you are on the right track! Thanks for doing this, whenever mine arrives I am pysched to give Helix a go with FRFR but still really want to use it with my DT25, and like you all, want to use Helix amp model, cab model and mic model, paired with that awesome Bogner portion of the DT

[gtrman100]

If Helix sends the MIDI commands to set the DT to None for all those parameters, I think the DT will stay that way until it receives commands to change again. I guess I could make another Helix template to put them back.

 

If the amps and cabs are set to none for each of the voicings/topologys on Channel A, swtiching topologies doesn't seem to affect anything except volume level a bit. Actually, since there's a MIDI command to choose Voicing, I could make the template to always select Voicing I and set amp/cab/mic to None. Then it would only affect one of the DT's eight amp/cab setups. I think I'll try that.

 

I'll dedicate DT Channel A, Voicing I to Helix and the other seven should be available for standalone use.

 

I can think of 2 ways to accomplish this.

 

Method 1 (Easy)

• Use DT Edit to set up Channel 1, Voicing I so that the amp/cab/mic/reverb are all set to None
• Disconnect DT Edit and hook up a MIDI cable from Helix to the DT
• Set up Helix Command Center Instant Command 1 to MIDI CC, Base, 122, 0. (This selects Channel A and Voicing I)

Method 2 (More complex)

 

Set up the Helix Command Center Instant Commands to:

• Instant 1 = MIDI CC, Base, 122, 0 (selects Channel A and Voicing I)
• Instant 2 = MIDI CC, Base, 11, 0 (selects None for Amp)
• Instant 3 = MIDI CC, Base, 71, 0 (selects None for Cab)
• Instant 4 = MIDI CC, Base, 82, 0 (selects None for XLR Direct Out Mic Emulation, this is the only MIDI command I can find that affects the mic)
• Instant 5 = MIDI CC, Base, 37, 0 (selects None for Reverb)

Edit: Method 1 seems to work great so I might stick with that.

[talwilkins]

Tried my Helix-DT25 combo today at high volume. Sweet! :) 

I have the cabs, pre amp and mics all turned off end us Line6 Link.

I didn't use any midi cable but probably will add that to the equasion later on to be able to change topolgy and such.

I'm actually using full amps instead of per amps. At this time it seems to sound better to me. This might change after more experience. I changed the way I worked with the POD HD500 many times before I found what worked best fore me.

What do you use?

[ColonelForbin]

Tried my Helix-DT25 combo today at high volume. Sweet! :)

I have the cabs, pre amp and mics all turned off end us Line6 Link.

I didn't use any midi cable but probably will add that to the equasion later on to be able to change topolgy and such.

I'm actually using full amps instead of per amps. At this time it seems to sound better to me. This might change after more experience. I changed the way I worked with the POD HD500 many times before I found what worked best fore me.

What do you use?

Sweet! Good to hear, I am getting more and more pysched for my new year Helix :)

 

Question- in the rig you set up, did you happen to monitor or record the DT XLR output? Curious as to what it sends with that configuration.

 

Cheers!

[DarrellM5]

What do you use?

 

I think full amp models is the way to go.

 

Question- in the rig you set up, did you happen to monitor or record the DT XLR output? Curious as to what it sends with that configuration.

 

I'll try the XLR this evening.  I've never even plugged a cord into the DT Direct Out before.

[talwilkins]

Question- in the rig you set up, did you happen to monitor or record the DT XLR output? Curious as to what it sends with that configuration.

 

Cheers!

 

No, I was wondering the same thing on the way home :) 

I'll have to check that out some other time.

[ColonelForbin]

Cool thing about the Helix-DT combination is your ability to do a type of post amp processing, almost at the level you would expect the soundguy to do once he has the signal of a mic on amp or XLR/DI output.

 

Run the Helix to the DT, back to Helix, and get into some really interesting soundscapes. Where your 'wet' mono amp signal is still your 'dry' signal, then what comes of the Helix becomes your wet-wet stereo signal, into FRFR monitors, speakers, recording, etc

[radatats]

OMFG... I finally set up a patch to the DT using L6 link and midi.  Used instant commands to select channel A, turn mic, amp, cab, and reverb off and set the upper row of FS to switch Class A-AB, Triode-Pentode, Topo 1-2, Topo 3-4 and loaded up the Divided by 13 preamp with no cab or mic. The knobs on the DT have no effect now so I cranked the DT Master full up and the Helix output full up.  I have a DT25 HD into my own 1X12 cab with Eminence Guvnor and it sounded nice but pretty quiet.  Turned the preamp Drive 1 and 2 up to 7 and 9 and it livened up.  Tested the FS and everything responded just as it should.  The class changes, Triode-Pentode and topologies all worked just as expected.

 

The magic came when I added some compression and drive blocks.  I was stunned at how good the Screamer, Klon and OCD sounded in this configuration.  Stacking them worked wonders too in a way I hadn't quite managed with FRFR.  Screamer into OCD was fantastic.  Family was home so couldn't really rip but its there.  To lower volume a bit just select Class AB and Triode while keeping the tone.  This is just an amazing rig.

 

Next I plan on building a setlist for the DT with all the preamps set to their default settings as they were in the HD500.  I will include the default cab and mic too but that can always be bypassed if needed.  I will post it up when done.

[DarrellM5]

OMFG... I finally set up a patch to the DT using L6 link and midi.  Used instant commands to select channel A, turn mic, amp, cab, and reverb off and set the upper row of FS to switch Class A-AB, Triode-Pentode, Topo 1-2, Topo 3-4 and loaded up the Divided by 13 preamp with no cab or mic. The knobs on the DT have no effect now so I cranked the DT Master full up and the Helix output full up.  I have a DT25 HD into my own 1X12 cab with Eminence Guvnor and it sounded nice but pretty quiet.  Turned the preamp Drive 1 and 2 up to 7 and 9 and it livened up.  Tested the FS and everything responded just as it should.  The class changes, Triode-Pentode and topologies all worked just as expected.

 

The magic came when I added some compression and drive blocks.  I was stunned at how good the Screamer, Klon and OCD sounded in this configuration.  Stacking them worked wonders too in a way I hadn't quite managed with FRFR.  Screamer into OCD was fantastic.  Family was home so couldn't really rip but its there.  To lower volume a bit just select Class AB and Triode while keeping the tone.  This is just an amazing rig.

 

Next I plan on building a setlist for the DT with all the preamps set to their default settings as they were in the HD500.  I will include the default cab and mic too but that can always be bypassed if needed.  I will post it up when done.

 

Nice!  I saw your post on Facebook. 

 

I'm working on a setlist as well.  I went through all the amp models on the HD500X and got the associated class, Topology, cabinet and mic.  All of them were Pentode BTW.

[radatats]

played some more with it today, did a run through of all the preamps and full amps and tried using the cabs too.  The preamps have a huge difference in volume but the full amps are much closer to level.  Both sounded great but the full amps seemed to have better definition as distinct amps.  The cabs however were not needed in my opinion.  I preferred everything with the cabs turned off, just had a better tone to my ears.  Not sying the cabs are not good, just saying they aren't needed.

 

I started building the default templates for all the amps putting both a pre and full amp on a FS and the corresponding cab on a separate FS along with class, triode/pentode and topology on FS too.  As I was going through them I realized that since I sold my HD500 I can't pull up the default settings for all the amps in the model packs.  If someone can send that to me I would appreciate it.  I have the info for all the 2.0 amps.

[DarrellM5]

played some more with it today, did a run through of all the preamps and full amps and tried using the cabs too.  The preamps have a huge difference in volume but the full amps are much closer to level.  Both sounded great but the full amps seemed to have better definition as distinct amps.  The cabs however were not needed in my opinion.  I preferred everything with the cabs turned off, just had a better tone to my ears.  Not sying the cabs are not good, just saying they aren't needed.

 

I started building the default templates for all the amps putting both a pre and full amp on a FS and the corresponding cab on a separate FS along with class, triode/pentode and topology on FS too.  As I was going through them I realized that since I sold my HD500 I can't pull up the default settings for all the amps in the model packs.  If someone can send that to me I would appreciate it.  I have the info for all the 2.0 amps.

 

Check your messages, I just sent you a spreadsheet.

[radatats]

Check your messages, I just sent you a spreadsheet.

 

Got it! Awesome bro...

[radatats]

OK, here we go.  Please download my DT Templates setlist and check it out with your DT amp.  You will need your L6 Link connection and a midi connection from Helix out to DT in.  Each patch should load with no amp, cab or mic in the DT, the correct topology selected in channel A, and a full amp model in the Helix.  The preamp and Helix cabs are bypassed.  You can switch from amp to preamp with a FS and you can turn the cab ON/OFF with a FS.  You can also change class, Triode/Pentode and topology with FS to experiment.  Have fun with it and please give me feedback on anything that needs fixing or anything you really like.

 

NOTE: this is the link to the rebuilt setlist, should be good to go...

 

http://share.myflare.com/hB549Z

[talwilkins]

When using a full amp you already have a cab in there as well so the dt cab is certainly not needed then.

 

Both sounded great but the full amps seemed to have better definition as distinct amps.  The cabs however were not needed in my opinion.  I preferred everything with the cabs turned off, just had a better tone to my ears.  Not sying the cabs are not good, just saying they aren't needed.

[radatats]

When using a full amp you already have a cab in there as well so the dt cab is certainly not needed then.

 

not true, only if you use a combined amp and cab block in the Helix.  My patches use separate preamp, amp and cab blocks so you can turn on only what you need.  But yes, we don't want anything in the DT affecting tone other than the physical power section.

[talwilkins]

not true, only if you use a combined amp and cab block in the Helix.  My patches use separate preamp, amp and cab blocks so you can turn on only what you need.  But yes, we don't want anything in the DT affecting tone other than the physical power section.

You're right of course. I was at work when I wrote my remark. Once at home I looked and realised I was indeed wrong :) 

[ColonelForbin]

OK, here we go. Please download my DT Templates setlist and check it out with your DT amp. You will need your L6 Link connection and a midi connection from Helix out to DT in.

 

http://share.myflare.com/mSwHt7

Thank You!!!! Now I just wait for Helix to arrive.... :)

[radatats]

well I am a little bummed right now. I used the Helix app to rearrange all the patches into a new setlist last night so I could upload it. I just tested the setlist today at lunch and almost everything is shifted by a couple of slots. I just went through on the Helix and reset all the patches but i noticed the midi assignments were also reversed on some of the FS. I will fix everything tonight and upload the fixed setlist. What a f@ck story...

 

I don't know if it was my computer or the Helix app but I suggest being careful when transferring or copy and pasting patches between sets.  Can't wait for the full desktop app to be finished for doing work like this.  It's fine building a patch on the unit but major set management needs the computer app.