hideout Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 So I got curious and decided to edit my acoustic preset by splitting the path and putting one acoustic IR for each path... YOWZA!!!!! I kept it mono as I don't normally run in stereo anyway and even if I did, I wanted to mix the two different sounds into one sound. I suppose stereo would be interesting as well but I'll save that for a later date. Anyway, what I found was that if I start with an IR that I like best but isn't quite there, then go through the other IRs in the second path and I found two that complement each other ad really do wonders for the last remnants of the piezo sound. Is it perfect? No. But definitely much better than just using one IR. I highly recommend it! Please let me know if it works for you if you try it... 'Cause I love it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkornell Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 Interesting. Once you have a good mix set up, wouldn't you be able to mix down the two IRs into one using a DAW? And then just load one IR, freeing up some DSP... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hideout Posted February 9, 2017 Author Share Posted February 9, 2017 Interesting. Once you have a good mix set up, wouldn't you be able to mix down the two IRs into one using a DAW? And then just load one IR, freeing up some DSP... Probably, but I don't know how successful that would actually be. That and you may change your mind about the mix of the two and you'd have to go back and do it all again. And it's not like not like the patch is starved for DSP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterHamm Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 put a touch (just a few ms) of delay at 100% and no repeats in and cut some (but not all) of the highs on one side and some (but not all) of the lows on the other and pan them, but not hard, only about 30 or 40% each way. You're welcome. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hideout Posted February 9, 2017 Author Share Posted February 9, 2017 Thanks, PeterHamm. That patch sounds great but is quite a bit more effected than mine. I'm trying to create a patch that is a bit more exposed so the only effect I'm using is reverb. I'm also using a solid body guitar and it seems, and this is just a theory, that depending on how the two different IRs match up (or don't match up), in mono, there are natural phase cancellations that actually help to minimize the dreaded "piezo ping". It's almost nonexistent as far as I can tell. I tried to post a clip but this forum wouldn't allow me to post a .m4a file. Dang it! What's up with that? Anyway, the bottom line here is that I've managed to coax a fairly convincing acoustic sound out of a solid body guitar. I just wish I could share the clip. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterHamm Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 Thanks, PeterHamm. That patch sounds great but is quite a bit more effected than mine. I'm trying to create a patch that is a bit more exposed so the only effect I'm using is reverb. I'm also using a solid body guitar and it seems, and this is just a theory, that depending on how the two different IRs match up (or don't match up), in mono, there are natural phase cancellations that actually help to minimize the dreaded "piezo ping". It's almost nonexistent as far as I can tell. I tried to post a clip but this forum wouldn't allow me to post a .m4a file. Dang it! What's up with that? Anyway, the bottom line here is that I've managed to coax a fairly convincing acoustic sound out of a solid body guitar. I just wish I could share the clip. I always try and steer clear of phase cancellation as an integral part of my sound, though, as it's unpredictable. When I use an IR (or a pair), I find that if I cut those low end boom frequencies, then cut the upper-mid (almost always 2.7K), and boost 6K or 8K just a tad, that the piezo quack takes care of itself. But... ...some IRs are better than others at taming the quack. A lot of the free ones out there (including the Mama Bear ones that I made myself) are NOT good at this, whereas the 3 Sigma Audio ones that cost 10 bucks a set are AMAZING at taming the quack. I always use the 3 Sigma Audio ones now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterHamm Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 Oh, and here's the acoustic sound I get from solid-body or hollow- but not acoustic- guitars. This one is just cheating, because the Crowdster is a TRUE acoustic guitar AND a TRUE electric guitar at the same time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cdiddy5000 Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 Oh, and here's the acoustic sound I get from solid-body or hollow- but not acoustic- guitars. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOk7WBvjt3s This one is just cheating, because the Crowdster is a TRUE acoustic guitar AND a TRUE electric guitar at the same time. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFCbOgKPaHw Great tones! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hideout Posted February 9, 2017 Author Share Posted February 9, 2017 I always try and steer clear of phase cancellation as an integral part of my sound, though, as it's unpredictable. When I use an IR (or a pair), I find that if I cut those low end boom frequencies, then cut the upper-mid (almost always 2.7K), and boost 6K or 8K just a tad, that the piezo quack takes care of itself. But... ...some IRs are better than others at taming the quack. A lot of the free ones out there (including the Mama Bear ones that I made myself) are NOT good at this, whereas the 3 Sigma Audio ones that cost 10 bucks a set are AMAZING at taming the quack. I always use the 3 Sigma Audio ones now. You'll get no argument from me about phase issues... but...At this point, I am not going to look a gift horse in the mouth and figure out why this is working as well as it is. One reason may be that it's because I'm not using indentical IRs. They're two completely different sounding ones. I listened to my short recording again this morning and I'm baffled but very very pleased. However, I did make some Snapshots with different IR combinations last night and will have to see if they still hold up. One combination gave me an almost nylon string sound. BTW, I believe it was your Dtar IRs that I used along with the first set of IRs that I believe you also shared. I still wish this site would let me share an m4a clip. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDudeTrey Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 Peter, Why did you name the track "The First Day"? I really love what happens when you engage the POG2... just awesome, simply put. In fact, I really enjoyed all of the ambient stuff in those videos! It's really cool seeing the Helix being explored in the way you do it. I'm sure I'm not alone in feeling a connection to the way you project your experimentation. The way you show all the layers within a song, and express them with the different sounds you're using, is just marvelous. Well done, Peter.. seriously, it's actually really helpful watching your videos. —Kenny— p.s. You are definitely NOT the only one who rocks back and forth like that... in fact, I do that ON STAGE when I'm really "lost" in a song. It's something I didn't even really notice I did, until a few years ago, when a fellow ex-bandmate's pointed it out in a fan video from a show we had played (on his FB page). I didn't believe it until he pointed it out; and sure enough, there I was rocking back and forth... and in front of 1500 people no less LoL! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterHamm Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 Peter, Why did you name the track "The First Day"? I really love what happens when you engage the POG2... just awesome, simply put. In fact, I really enjoyed all of the ambient stuff in those videos! It's really cool seeing the Helix being explored in the way you do it. I'm sure I'm not alone in feeling a connection to the way you project your experimentation. The way you show all the layers within a song, and express them with the different sounds you're using, is just marvelous. Well done, Peter.. seriously, it's actually really helpful watching your videos. —Kenny— p.s. You are definitely NOT the only one who rocks back and forth like that... in fact, I do that ON STAGE when I'm really "lost" in a song. It's something I didn't even really notice I did, until a few years ago, when a fellow ex-bandmate's pointed it out in a fan video from a show we had played (on his FB page). I didn't believe it until he pointed it out; and sure enough, there I was rocking back and forth... and in front of 1500 people no less LoL! I can't say why the title without breaking forum rules... My secret... I'm afraid that I rock back and forth like an idiot when I play live, too. IT's why I stopped using a headset mic... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hideout Posted February 10, 2017 Author Share Posted February 10, 2017 Well, I checked the preset again today and nope, not changing a thing on the patch except it needed a bit of a level boost and that's done now. Whenever I'm in front of the Helix and get that urge to ask, "What would happen if i..." I'm gonna go with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soundog Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 Very nice patch, Peter, thanks for sharing. It will come in handy for certain recordings. I especially like the use of particle 'verb and octo. I agree re: the 3 Sigma acoustic IRs; they're the best I've used and the only ones I consider using for recording as an alternative to mic'ing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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