Rebuiding Presets (I know, but it's happening!)

[bloodychoir]

Hi, I'm fully updated, no other issues, but for the last few updates this behaviour hasn't changed.  Every 3-4 times I boot up the presets have to rebuild from scratch.  It's several minutes of getting angry instead of recording.  I searched for relevant threads but nothing satisfactory.  I'm sure I've done something wrong but if I get an answer with the word 'caching' in it I'm going back to the bottle.  Thanks for any help

[DarrellM5]

Is this happening all the time or after you've modified or imported a bunch of presets?

 

Mine only does this after an update or when I've made lots of changes.

[aleclee]

Dunno why but it's happened to me as well.

[HonestOpinion]

You will see the "Rebuild.." message on your next restart after loading CustomTone or saved presets from a previous firmware version.  

 

What mystifies me is this. After you are no longer getting "rebuild" messages (you have restarted at least once after preset load), if you copy a preset, including a Factory preset to a new Setlist location, you will see a rebuild message the next time you restart. It does not seem that a copied CustomTone or user preset that has already been rebuilt, or a Factory preset which comes with that version of the firmware should need to be rebuilt again just because it was copied to a different setlist location.

 

Is everyone else seeing this same behavior? I can't remember if this was the behavior in previous firmware versions. If so, I did not notice it.

 

I wonder if the rebuild message the OP is seeing every few times he  restarts is due to the behavior described above?

[spikey]

if you copy a preset, including a Factory preset to a new Setlist location, you will see a rebuild message the next time you restart.

 

 

No, I haven't tried that but it could be (speculation) just the way that the Helix firmware was coded, in that if anything gets moved or copied it will do a rebuild so nothing gets out of wack with its last internal memory settings.

[HonestOpinion]

No, I haven't tried that but it could be (speculation) just the way that the Helix firmware was coded, in that if anything gets moved or copied it will do a rebuild so nothing gets out of wack with its last internal memory settings.

 

You could be right but something feels inherently "off" to me that there should be a rebuild process upon restart every time a preset is copied. At the very least it seems inefficient. If a rebuild is required, is there any downside to editing that preset before it is rebuilt? It seems like allowing a preset to be edited that still requires a rebuild is a great recipe for a corrupt preset. If a rebuild is not required before editing the preset, then why is it happening upon restart? If a rebuild is required you would think it would happen immediately as part of the copy process, not upon restart. Additionally, why should Factory presets which were either issued with the current firmware or presets which have already been rebuilt go through the rebuild process a second time simply as the result of a copy? It just does not make sense to me.

[spikey]

Hummmm yea you make some good points... Maybe it's a feature that had to be there because of a bug? LOL who knows but Im sure like always they will jump right in here and tell us one way of the other...  ;)

[Guitarmaniac64]

Hi, I'm fully updated, no other issues, but for the last few updates this behaviour hasn't changed.  Every 3-4 times I boot up the presets have to rebuild from scratch.  It's several minutes of getting angry instead of recording.  I searched for relevant threads but nothing satisfactory.  I'm sure I've done something wrong but if I get an answer with the word 'caching' in it I'm going back to the bottle.  Thanks for any help

It has happend to every update for me since FW 2.0 i think?

Maybe even the version before 2.0? 

To fix this after i have done the update and did the normal FS 9-10 reset and then imported my setlists and IR's i just hold down FS 10-11 and turn on Helix and let it rebuild the presets for the new FW after that it never happen again.

Somehow Line6 dont include that in the update description.

[HonestOpinion]

It has happend to every update for me since FW 2.0 i think?

Maybe even the version before 2.0? 

To fix this after i have done the update and did the normal FS 9-10 reset and then imported my setlists and IR's i just hold down FS 10-11 and turn on Helix and let it rebuild the presets for the new FW after that it never happen again.

Somehow Line6 dont include that in the update description.

 

Interesting! Of course the FS 9&10 reset is mandatory after a firmware update but I never do the FS 10-11 combination. Are you now able to copy a preset from one location to another and not see a rebuild message upon restart?

[jbuhajla]

Anytime you import ANY presets to a setlist, those preset "slots" are rebuilt after cycling power. I don't think it is rebuilding the actual preset, just the preset slot that you just moved new data into. You will also notice that it only rebuilds all 1024 preset after an update. After that it only rebuilds the preset slots that you move new data into. If you import an entire setlist of presets (128 presets) it will rebuild those slots next time you boot up. 

 

For that reason, I always reboot after importing presets just in case, even if it is just one preset. I have no solid knowledge of why it is best to do that, I just assume that the rebuilding process is important and is probably a good idea to do after importing. 

[gunpointmetal]

Mine does it twice with each update, the first time you power-cycle, and then the second time its restarted. Never had it do it more than that, though.