Is there any known plan to add HiDPI support for HX Edit and Native?

[PierM]

I know that's a weird question to put in a forum where no one from l6 is actually reading, but maybe we have someone here who knows more than me about that subject.

 

I just grabbed a new laptop for DAW, coming from a 12 years old Samsung which was running FHD...so no problem whatsoever.

 

Now, this new laptop has a wonderful WQXGA IPS panel that makes everything looking great, apart those few old applications that arent using a proper HiDPI scaling, like HX Edit and Native...making them looking really blurred and triggering eyestrain after some time working on them, especially since they are in contrast with everything else, like OS and DAW, which are using HiDPI. Basically is like your eyes are focusing backward, with background sharp as a knife, and foreground subject blurred as s++t.

 

Do we know if there is any plan to introduce HiDPI for these apps? Am I missing some hidden trick to make them looking better at these resolution with high density per inch?

How are they doing with Retina panels?

 

Of course setting dpi to 100% isnt an option as would make things way to small and hard to read... (that's why HiDPI exist)

[datacommando]

On 11/18/2022 at 4:33 PM, PierM said:

How are they doing with Retina panels?

Hi,

 

I don’t have any issues with Native, or HX Edit on my iMac Retina 5k 27inch monitor. I then had a dig around on the Helix Native forum pages, where regular contributor @soundog also stated that he has had no problems on his 5k Retina.

 

Maybe you should post on IdeaScale about this, because I found this thread from way back in 2017 which was about the Editor and a 4k Monitor.

 

Heres the link:

This thread from 2018.

 

If Line 6 haven’t done anything to update the GUI in the last 4 or 5 years, then it could be time to give them a wake up call.

 

Hope this helps/makes sense.

 

 

 

[MusicLaw]

For the past several years, HX Edit and Helix Native have been running w/o any scaling problems on my 4K Touchscreen display Dell XPS 15" and XPS 17" laptops (Win 10 and Win 11 machines, respectively). I do recollect that a long while ago, Line 6 Updater did display a very small launch splash screen until I adjusted Windows' launch properties for the program to scale properly. That was corrected by Line 6 in a subsequent release, as the recent versions of Line 6 Updater no longer require that adjustment. Of course, this is with Windows, and my impression is that you were referring to Apple's OS.   

[PierM]

On 11/19/2022 at 12:54 AM, datacommando said:

Hi,

 

I don’t have any issues with Native, or HX Edit on my iMac Retina 5k 27inch monitor. I then had a dig around on the Helix Native forum pages, where regular contributor @soundog also stated that he has had no problems on his 5k Retina.

 

Maybe you should post on IdeaScale about this, because I found this thread from way back in 2017 which was about the Editor and a 4k Monitor.

 

Heres the link:

This thread from 2018.

 

If Line 6 haven’t done anything to update the GUI in the last 4 or 5 years, then it could be time to give them a wake up call.

 

Hope this helps/makes sense.

 

 

 

 

Yeah, Im not sure retina technology works the same as HiDPI scaling on a windows machine, but looks like Mac users are getting the correct dpi scaling, no matter the resolution. A while I don't own a mac, so I can't say for sure.

 

When I say "scaling" Im referring not only to the entire interface, but especially to all the graphic elements inside it, like block icons, fonts, lines etc... All that stuff does blur out for DPI scaling above 100%. Now, for people with external big screens, that's a non issue - as they can just go with 100% because of the big panels, but on a laptop (even if I grabbed a 17"), working with 100% scaling means microscopic icons and text. The reccomended scale for that monitor is 150%, but yeah...L6 apps are rendering terrible.

 

It's a little thing but very annoying for the eyes.

 

I will do a bit more research and then start an ideascale, but not holding my breath (I don't think there are too many users with high end panels on their laptop, facing that problem)

 

Thanks for the links!

[PierM]

On 11/19/2022 at 4:27 AM, MusicLaw said:

For the past several years, HX Edit and Helix Native have been running w/o any scaling problems on my 4K Touchscreen display Dell XPS 15" and XPS 17" laptops (Win 10 and Win 11 machines, respectively). I do recollect that a long while ago, Line 6 Updater did display a very small launch splash screen until I adjusted Windows' launch properties for the program to scale properly. That was corrected by Line 6 in a subsequent release, as the recent versions of Line 6 Updater no longer require that adjustment. Of course, this is with Windows, and my impression is that you were referring to Apple's OS.   

 

Are you using 100% scaling? In that case of course there are not problems, since everything is being rendered as its native dpi resolution.

 

Im on a windows 11 machine tho, and between all my VST, Native and Tripleplay (very old UI) are the only not scaling correctly, so Im pretty sure they aren't HiDPI compliant.

 

Same goes with HX Edit, same UI code I guess. Doesn't scale with DPI scale, so everything get smudged.

[MusicLaw]

My Win 11 Dell XPS 9710 17" is running Settings > System > Display > Scale & Layout 

 

Scale 250% (Recommended)

Resolution 3840 x 2400 (Recommended)

HX Edit's Launch Shortcut's Properties are at Default, thus there are No Advanced High DPI Launch Parameters enabled. 

However, for Line 6 Updater it's Launch Shortcut Properties > Compatibility > High DPI Settings > High DPI Scaling Override is Enabled as follows (this may be sediment settings from the pre-1.27 version of Line 6 Updater):

 

 

[Addendum: I just tried disabling both of the check boxes in the above graphic. Doing so resulted in the Splash screen appearing very small, so I re-enabled the above settings as seen in the graphic.]

 

I'd need to fire up the Win 10 XPS 15" 9560 to check it's parameters. 

[PierM]

On 11/19/2022 at 8:58 PM, MusicLaw said:

My Win 11 Dell XPS 9710 17" is running Settings > System > Display > Scale & Layout 

 

Scale 250% (Recommended)

Resolution 3840 x 2400 (Recommended)

HX Edit's Launch Shortcut's Properties are at Default, thus there are No Advanced High DPI Launch Parameters enabled. 

However, for Line 6 Updater it's Launch Shortcut Properties > Compatibility > High DPI Settings > High DPI Scaling Override is Enabled as follows (this may be sediment settings from the pre-1.27 version of Line 6 Updater):

 

 

[Addendum: I just tried disabling both of the check boxes in the above graphic. Doing so resulted in the Splash screen appearing very small, so I re-enabled the above settings as seen in the graphic.]

 

I'd need to fire up the Win 10 XPS 15" 9560 to check it's parameters. 

 

 

Man you are the best! Forcing the HiDPI that way solved completely with HX Edit. Now does scale perfectly and looks sharp as it should.

 

Now I have to find a way to do the same with Native. I don't think will be possible to do the same with Native, as it's a plugin and those options are for .exe only. But having the HX Edit looking properly it's already a good news. :)

 

Many thanks for the help. \m/_

[MusicLaw]

Delighted that I was able to help and that it worked out for you!

 

I've been running Helix Native via VSTHost and it displays properly. I just checked to confirm that the VSTHost Launch Icon's Properties on my Win Desktop are set for Win 11 default settings. None of the High DPI checkboxes (as in the graphic I posted earlier) are enabled. 

 

What DAW or VST Host are you using to run Helix Native? 

 

Ideally, I would love to have Helix Native as a Stand Alone, but that's an entirely different conversation....

 

Happy Holidays!!

[PierM]

On 11/19/2022 at 10:20 PM, MusicLaw said:

Delighted that I was able to help and that it worked out for you!

 

I've been running Helix Native via VSTHost and it displays properly. I just checked to confirm that the VSTHost Launch Icon's Properties on my Win Desktop are set for Win 11 default settings. None of the High DPI checkboxes (as in the graphic I posted earlier) are enabled. 

 

What DAW or VST Host are you using to run Helix Native? 

 

Ideally, I would love to have Helix Native as a Stand Alone, but that's an entirely different conversation....

 

Happy Holidays!!

 

My DAW is Live 11 latest build 11.2.6, running on W11 22H2

 

Tried to change its HiDPI settings but Native still doesnt scale properly, while Live always do (and all the Valhalla plugins, Eventide, etc etc).

 

Happy Holidays to you too! :)