Quick snapshot question

[nfpotter]

Thank you in advance!

 

Let's say I'm in a snapshot I would like to preserve, but use as a base for a sound.  I tweak my pedals, settings, etc. Is there a way to them save those changes to a new snapshot without overwriting the current one?  I know how to copy and paste (and swap), that doesn't work...

[silverhead]

I don’t understand. Can you not copy/paste your ‘base’ sound snapshot to a new snapshot location before making any changes, then editing the pasted snapshot? 
 

Also, make sure you understand the Snapshot Edits global setting, and the difference between the Recall and Discard settings.

[datacommando]

On 6/22/2023 at 4:37 AM, nfpotter said:

Thank you in advance!

 

Let's say I'm in a snapshot I would like to preserve, but use as a base for a sound.  I tweak my pedals, settings, etc. Is there a way to them save those changes to a new snapshot without overwriting the current one?  I know how to copy and paste (and swap), that doesn't work...

Hi,

 

If a picture is worth a thousand words - here are several thousand picture in a couple of videos.

 

 

plus,

 

 

Hope this helps/makes sense.

 

 

[theElevators]

On 6/21/2023 at 11:37 PM, nfpotter said:

Thank you in advance!

 

Let's say I'm in a snapshot I would like to preserve, but use as a base for a sound.  I tweak my pedals, settings, etc. Is there a way to them save those changes to a new snapshot without overwriting the current one?  I know how to copy and paste (and swap), that doesn't work...

Snapshots allow you to save what blocks are enabled/disabled within your preset. 

 

HX Edit Saves the snapshot you are in... so if you disable something while being in Snapshot 1 and save it; you only disable that block in snapshot 1; other snapshot will have that block enabled. If you decided to disable something in all snapshots, you would need to iterate through all of the snapshots and save the changes in there. 

 

Additionally you can assign various parameters to snapshots -- you will get brackets around that parameters, e.g.: "[gain]".  When you first assign that parameter to the snapshots, al snapshots will have the same value, e.g. "30%".   Then you can go to specific snapshots and adjust the gain parameter, and save each snapshot.  For example, in Snapshot 5 you can save it to "55%".

 

 

Best just practice creating/editing snapshots to get a feel for how it works, it's pretty intuitive. 

 

[nfpotter]

On 6/22/2023 at 4:49 AM, silverhead said:

I don’t understand. Can you not copy/paste your ‘base’ sound snapshot to a new snapshot location before making any changes, then editing the pasted snapshot? 
 

Also, make sure you understand the Snapshot Edits global setting, and the difference between the Recall and Discard settings.

 

On 6/22/2023 at 5:16 AM, datacommando said:

Hi,

 

If a picture is worth a thousand words - here are several thousand picture in a couple of videos.

 

 

plus,

 

 

Hope this helps/makes sense.

 

 

 

On 6/22/2023 at 7:47 AM, theElevators said:

Snapshots allow you to save what blocks are enabled/disabled within your preset. 

 

HX Edit Saves the snapshot you are in... so if you disable something while being in Snapshot 1 and save it; you only disable that block in snapshot 1; other snapshot will have that block enabled. If you decided to disable something in all snapshots, you would need to iterate through all of the snapshots and save the changes in there. 

 

Additionally you can assign various parameters to snapshots -- you will get brackets around that parameters, e.g.: "[gain]".  When you first assign that parameter to the snapshots, al snapshots will have the same value, e.g. "30%".   Then you can go to specific snapshots and adjust the gain parameter, and save each snapshot.  For example, in Snapshot 5 you can save it to "55%".

 

 

Best just practice creating/editing snapshots to get a feel for how it works, it's pretty intuitive. 

 

None of these replies answers my question.  Of course I know how to copy and paste BEFORE. That's not what I asked, nor do the videos answer it. Additionally, I'm not talking about HX Edit.  I'm talking about on the unit.

[datacommando]

On 6/22/2023 at 5:06 PM, nfpotter said:

None of these replies answers my question.  Of course I know how to copy and paste BEFORE. That's not what I asked, nor do the videos answer it. Additionally, I'm not talking about HX Edit.  I'm talking about on the unit.

 

Oh, well if you're talking about "the unit", then it's a big help to anyone trying to assist to know exactly which hardware device you have!

[nfpotter]

On 6/22/2023 at 9:10 AM, datacommando said:

 

Oh, well if you're talking about "the unit", then it's a big help to anyone trying to assist to know exactly which hardware device you have!

Ah yes, sorry, Helix Floor.

[theElevators]

On 6/22/2023 at 12:14 PM, nfpotter said:

Ah yes, sorry, Helix Floor.

make a video, show what issue you're having.

[nfpotter]

While we're at it, is there a way to make EVERY parameter snapshot responsive by default?

[nfpotter]

On 6/22/2023 at 10:40 AM, theElevators said:

make a video, show what issue you're having.

LMFAO

 

Seriously?  My description isn't enough for you to comprehend?

 

If I select a snapshot to use as a base, then tweak a few settings, can I save that to a new snapshot location without overwriting the current snapshot?  Quite simple...

[datacommando]

On 6/22/2023 at 7:31 PM, nfpotter said:

 

Seriously?  My description isn't enough for you to comprehend?

 

LMFAO 

 

The answer to that is obviously - Yes!

 

You create a Snapshot - that becomes the base, then simply duplicate the Snapshot and modify whatever parameters you wish to change in the duplicate - (while we’re at it - up to 64 parameters per Snapshot, but you need to select which ones). Rinse and repeat.

 

See Helix 3.0 Owner’s Manual - Rev F - English - Pages 45 - 52 Snapshots.

 

https://line6.com/data/6/0a020a3f041b611d61cac763b/application/pdf/Helix 3.0 Owner's Manual - Rev F - English .pdf

 

FYI - the 3 people who bothered to take the time to respond to your question are long time users of this stuff, and therefore, if we find it difficult to comprehend, then you’re likely going to end up on your own, without a little attitude readjustment.

 

Hope this helps/makes sense.

[nfpotter]

On 6/22/2023 at 12:07 PM, datacommando said:

LMFAO 

 

The answer to that is obviously - Yes!

 

You create a Snapshot - that becomes the base, then simply duplicate the Snapshot and modify whatever parameters you wish to change in the duplicate - (while we’re at it - up to 64 parameters per Snapshot, but you need to select which ones). Rinse and repeat.

 

See Helix 3.0 Owner’s Manual - Rev F - English - Pages 45 - 52 Snapshots.

 

https://line6.com/data/6/0a020a3f041b611d61cac763b/application/pdf/Helix 3.0 Owner's Manual - Rev F - English .pdf

 

FYI - the 3 people who bothered to take the time to respond to your question are long time users of this stuff, and therefore, if we find it difficult to comprehend, then you’re likely going to end up on your own, without a little attitude readjustment.

 

Hope this helps/makes sense.

And you STILL haven't answered my question. As I've already stated, I AM AWARE OF HOW TO COPY A SNAPSHOT. However, last night I built a tone and DIDN'T make a copy first. I couldn't find a way to save the new sound to a NEW SNAPSHOT AFTER THE FACT, so I had to either lose my work, or overwrite a snapshot that I did not wish to overwrite. This seems like a rather common scenario that many would encounter. You pull up a snapshot, tweak it, and save it to a new snapshot space. DUH. My question asks if there is a way to do that.  How is this possibly difficult to comprehend?

[theElevators]

On 6/22/2023 at 3:50 PM, nfpotter said:

And you STILL haven't answered my question. As I've already stated, I AM AWARE OF HOW TO COPY A SNAPSHOT. However, last night I built a tone and DIDN'T make a copy first. I couldn't find a way to save the new sound to a NEW SNAPSHOT AFTER THE FACT, so I had to either lose my work, or overwrite a snapshot that I did not wish to overwrite. This seems like a rather common scenario that many would encounter. You pull up a snapshot, tweak it, and save it to a new snapshot space. DUH. My question asks if there is a way to do that.  How is this possibly difficult to comprehend?

Sir/ma'am:  You're better off calling Line 6 and getting your answer, honestly.  This is forum is a bunch of people taking their time to try to help you.  Also, if you think everybody else is dumb and you're so bright, then go read the manual and figure it out by yourself.  "DUH". 

[nfpotter]

On 6/22/2023 at 2:14 PM, theElevators said:

Sir/ma'am:  You're better off calling Line 6 and getting your answer, honestly.  This is forum is a bunch of people taking their time to try to help you.  Also, if you think everybody else is dumb and you're so bright, then go read the manual and figure it out by yourself.  "DUH". 

You're not helping, you're wasting MY time.  Perhaps you should learn to read. Run along now and go "help" someone else. And make a F$#%ing video about it, LMFAO again.  Good lord.

[themetallikid]

Are you referring to a 'save as' sort of function?  Like you can do with preset saving, where you can choose the slot you want to save it to?   I follow what your asking, but then lose it in a way. lol....    

 

I know your not talking about the copy feature, I get that, but I think (maybe.....) your asking that if you have preset A, snapshot 1 dialed in.  And you make edits, you want to save those edits to a different snapshot slot (slots 2-7, which ever makes sense to your structure of preset building)?  

 

If that is the case, I dont believe there is an option to do that in either HX Edit or on the Floor itself.  

 

I know with my process, I will dial in whichever block/amp (etc) that covers most of my needs for the preset, and then assign the snapshot controllers.  Whatever you dial in without snapshot controllers assigned will apply to all snapshots in that preset.   For example, if I'm playing a song with a typicaly rock guitar sound and then I need a lead sound. I will dial in the rhythm sound (snapshot 1 - Rhythm).  Save preset, i will then go to snapshot 2, name it Lead, and then assign my snapshot controllers in the amp to Gain/Mids.  While the snapshots will be active on all slots, they will retain the original rhythm numbers, the lead adjustments will only reflect on Snapshot 2 where I changed it.  I assume you know this logic already....

 

But I think your asking about making adjustments to the rhythm preset, and then saving them to a different snapshot slot while retaining the rhythm settings after the fact.   I do not believe that is an option, but I think a 'Save As (snapshot _____) could be a useful quality of life option.  Not sure if that is feasible coding wise....

 

Is that what you were asking?

[nfpotter]

On 6/22/2023 at 2:45 PM, themetallikid said:

Are you referring to a 'save as' sort of function?  Like you can do with preset saving, where you can choose the slot you want to save it to?   I follow what your asking, but then lose it in a way. lol....    

 

I know your not talking about the copy feature, I get that, but I think (maybe.....) your asking that if you have preset A, snapshot 1 dialed in.  And you make edits, you want to save those edits to a different snapshot slot (slots 2-7, which ever makes sense to your structure of preset building)?  

 

If that is the case, I dont believe there is an option to do that in either HX Edit or on the Floor itself.  

 

I know with my process, I will dial in whichever block/amp (etc) that covers most of my needs for the preset, and then assign the snapshot controllers.  Whatever you dial in without snapshot controllers assigned will apply to all snapshots in that preset.   For example, if I'm playing a song with a typicaly rock guitar sound and then I need a lead sound. I will dial in the rhythm sound (snapshot 1 - Rhythm).  Save preset, i will then go to snapshot 2, name it Lead, and then assign my snapshot controllers in the amp to Gain/Mids.  While the snapshots will be active on all slots, they will retain the original rhythm numbers, the lead adjustments will only reflect on Snapshot 2 where I changed it.  I assume you know this logic already....

 

But I think your asking about making adjustments to the rhythm preset, and then saving them to a different snapshot slot while retaining the rhythm settings after the fact.   I do not believe that is an option, but I think a 'Save As (snapshot _____) could be a useful quality of life option.  Not sure if that is feasible coding wise....

 

Is that what you were asking?

Yes, exactly.  THANK YOU for taking the time to read.

 

That sucks, if it's not possible. Obviously, one can remember that fact, and copy first, but jeez, c'mon Line 6 coders. Very common scenario, could be fixed with a little code. I spent 45 minutes dialing in my sound, only to learn that I had to choose between losing my work, or overwriting a snapshot that I use all the time. Poorly planned, which is odd because one of the reasons I went with the Helix was ease of use, lol.

 

Thanks again! Case closed, I guess.

[themetallikid]

On 6/22/2023 at 5:05 PM, nfpotter said:

Yes, exactly.  THANK YOU for taking the time to read.

 

That sucks, if it's not possible. Obviously, one can remember that fact, and copy first, but jeez, c'mon Line 6 coders. Very common scenario, could be fixed with a little code. I spent 45 minutes dialing in my sound, only to learn that I had to choose between losing my work, or overwriting a snapshot that I use all the time. Poorly planned, which is odd because one of the reasons I went with the Helix was ease of use, lol.

 

Thanks again! Case closed, I guess.

The only way I could see doing this as a work around.....would be this, and I don't have my Helix in front of me to test.....but, if the scenario ever pops up, this might be a legit way of backing out without losing any tone settings.  

 

Preset 1 - Snapshot 1 Rhythm

Preset 1 - Snapshot 2 Lead

 

Both of those are dialed in exactly how you want, however you start messing with snapshot 1 and realize that you like what you dialed in to be used as a different snapshot, but dont want to lose the original settings for SS 1, but you can't "SAVE AS" as you're looking for.....  

 

You could at that point, do a Save Preset, and save it to a different preset slot.  I'm thinking this would retain the original SS1 settings, although I think this would be dependent on whether you have snapshots global setting set to discard any changes or not