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Way cool...love those kinds of things myself! Don't know whose Flickr this is, but it took me back: http://www.flickr.com/photos/wishbook/with/2983603730

I don't see it as a replacement either. X3 versus HD from the modeling standpoint, but moreover this AmpliFi stuff is iOS centric where the HD is not.

Well now there's news. I am pretty sure my experimentation with modeling is about done now that I have the HD500 and a JTV59. I would never use this setup at a paying gig because it gets too wonky at times, like screeching noises, random pops, slow patch switching and my string levels on the guitar get out of whack.. Moreover, what I play doesn't require anything really complex anyway. bacically a decent clean amp with some light compression, overdirve and a bit of delay. I do have a couple of overdrives available to use separately or to stack if needs be, along with my swirly pedal (a Fulltone Mini Deja Vibe) and a bone simple looper made by TC Electronics called the Ditto. Plus I have a "vintage" Yamaha FG-365s I've had since I bought it new in 1979 if I want acoustic sounds. I honestly do like my POD rig, don't get me wrong. When I want to try things that I can't easily do elsewhere, it is a ton of fun to play with. But I like my other gear way more and I have been doing it this way for a pretty long time and the comfort level is just higher for me.

10,000 unemployed comedians and you're just breaking into the business? :P

I just checked the prices on the Axe Fx II -- YIKES! $3k for the rack unit plus the MIDI controller....

Roland/Boss do not even make computer apps to do patch librarian tasks. What exactly is wrong with your Line6 gear again? Not being a smart Alec, just curious.... As an Android user, I was impressed when Apple released iOS 7 because they'd finally reached near Android OS capabilities...

Maybe you need to look into Fractal Audio's Axe Fx II as more of a pro level setup? Get's good press anyway....

When I started, all there was were valve amps lol...I started with a Sears Wishbook special outfit in 1970 after 3 years of a nylon string acoustic....

But sadly, they probably won't. When I was a kid, my parents had a Hi-Fi setup with tube amplifiers, a turntable and a pair of 2 way speakers. It sounded awesome. Then, along came solid state...then CDs, doing away with that warm analog sound I grew up with. But against the expense of maintaining tube gear and turtables, not to mention finding vinyl albums, you just get used to the "new" way things sound. Now we have the iPod generation with Beats audio headphones, and Bose has for years made tiny little speakers supplemented by a not much larger subwoofer. In live music, iPads (and laptops for even longer now) are commonly on stage. Full range systems are more and more "normal, replacing massive back lines of Marshall Stacks or fender Twin towers. Wireless adds to the fundamental change in how we (the audience) hear and perceive our musical experience. I guess what I am saying is this; Today's young people, just starting out playing know nothing in the way us older dogs know it. For them, tiny little speakers with what we consider sub par sound are normal. And an AmpliFi will just be what there is -- and without ever having seen or played through a real tube amp in many cases, they won't know the difference. I remember feeling that way about solid state receivers replacing MacIntosh tube amps and preamps with a separate tuner. *sniff* And so it goes. Feel lucky guys...at least we got to hear how great audio and guitar tone started even if we can't imagine where it will end.

You might just see that. In 20 years, those 14 year olds just starting will make the rules.

"When Was The Last Time You Used A Guitar Amplifier Without Hd500?" Yesterday. American Series 50th Anniversary Stratocaster -> Xotic SP Compressor -> Fulltone Mini Deja Vibe -> Fulltone Plimsoul -> Fulltone OCD -> MXR Carbon Copy Delay -> TC Electronic DItto Looper -> Fender Princeton Reverb Do that most every day. Nothing against my HD 500/JTV59 combo really, but then too I believe Leo Fender got it just right in the 1950s and everyone else is still trying to catch up lol....

I figure I have all the digital gear I need because I am not a pro musician. I also have a minor analog pedal habit I'll likely never break, but I digress. I have flirted with the idea of completing the "Dream Rig", already having a JTV59 and POD HD 500 but honestly the pair of Power Engines I have now are fine really. I bought this stuff because I love the IDEA of being able to try new and different sounds at a whim, and I never truly expected any digital modeller to sound exactly like the amps they are trying to model. To me, that is simply unrealistic. I have a Deluxe Reverb and had a 59 Bassman and trust me, they don't sound anything like the models. But that isn't to say the models suck either. In the end, this community is pretty cool and the Line6 gear I have suits my purposes. I do wish Line6 would continue to try and innovate, but lets face it; Tube amps and analog pedals aren't going anywhere anytime soon, which makes the digital market less by subtraction from the total pool of current guitar players. And if you think about it, the younger (and new) players are more likely to use digital gear, including iPads and iPhones than older ones, and those younger players are fine with products like AmpliFi. Line6 is probably thinking about this a lot really, and the "potential" for future sales lies in this demographic (14-35 year olds) who are comfortable with digital in all it's forms and don't necessarily have a long standing love affair with tube gear. Line6 ultimately wants to sell gear and I think that is why we are seeing products like AmpliFi now. Why hell, I can remember when Apple was a washed up second rate computer company until they reinvented themselves as a consumer electronics outfit with iPods and iPhones and iPads. And now, I'm rambling a bit, so done.

This one right here appears to be compatible with the POD HD Pro (and presumably the Pro x as well) FBV Express More complete compaitibility chart: Compatibility Chart

Respectfully, what about the rack mount HD Pro? Could be off stage somewhere....

That this and so many other similar discussions are so prevalent on these boards is not a good sign, says I.

Thanks again silverhead...you're a credit to this ecosystem...

But really, isn't Line6 acting pretty much like most American businesses these days? I could make a list, but if you think about how many times you've walked away from an interaction with some business somewhere thinking "that person acted like they were doing me a favor by helping me", you know what I mean. From fast food to utility companies to mega huge conglomerates to discount super stores, it's a lot the same. So what can we do? Vote with our wallets, even if it initially means purchasing a lesser product or paying more for a product. That right there I just said is tough, but if you really want to get a company's attention, stop buying their marketing BS and products along with it and be vocal about why. As I sit here typing this, there are three distinct Line6 products I could and probably would buy right now, or at least two of them. Those would be the M13, the DT25 and/or a pair of Stage Source speakers I can afford them in cash, no problem. I am in my fifties and my kids are grown and gone and I have solid employment. Why don'y I buy them? Because Line6 has all but disappeared right now for whatever reasons and I feel like support of any kind may be iffy at best. Not firmware updates you understand -- I feel like any/all of those are gravy myself. But honest to gosh support should my digital product fail. I worked many years on electronics in the Air Force, including tube amps and I do my own luthier work so I need no help at all in the analog world. That all changes in the digital world, even though I understand it operationally. I simply don't have the means nor does Line6 provide even so much as a block diagram of their inner workings. But I digress at this point. So hey folks, I understand you vitriol and frustration, but unless you are willing to move elsewhere in terms of money spent em mass, this will always be this way. Mom and dad's wallet will always be open to keep our moody 16 year old kids reasonably happy, but make no mistake -- we are the grease the keeps the wheels running.

Let me ask this though...It really seems by looking at the M series gear that it is designed to be used sans computer, IE there are actual knobs as opposed to menu surfing. That to me seems way better suited to live or ad hoc use than the POD I have. If I have a computer connection, the HD Edit makes the process pretty straight forward, but in a jam or on stage it would seem that barring a need for amp modelling, the M13 would be the better choice?

Well that's pretty freakin' cool...thanks silverhead

Is that what the A/B/C button thingies are for then, I assume? 1 preset with 4 effects slots with either A, B or C in each?

I already have an HD500 and a JTV59, but I also have a few nice tube amps and traditional guitars with stomp boxes. While I love my stomp boxes, the idea of 48 instantly accessible pedal boards with a looper in an easy to carry one piece deal has it's appeal I must admit. My questions for those with one of these are: - Is the build quality and reliability pretty good? - I see by the marketing fluff that it says 3 effects in each of the 4 visible slots...does that mean I can have like 12 effects in a give configuration? - It seems like my HD500 already has all of these effects in it, plus a looper and a one piece carry it at once design...but the amp modelling I would want to bypass...anyone done this by chance, effective turning their HD unit into an M Class?

The real trick to Trower tone is putting the Vibe first in the chain, before distortion....

I think it's because you may be on the mobile site because the full sure is still D and black. I stand corrected... Just refreshed the full sure and yep, is silver.

Lol :-D

Exactly. Not everyone is bitching and whining... God I hate the Internet some days.