Guitarkyller

The 59...it's spec point is ??? The Humburgler says................? You said it's different than the 69's 3mm lo-2mm hi I don't know about anybody else, but I've been waiting over 5 years to hear this ! WOOOPEEE !!! and we're back to no answer again.....................................................................................................................? makes no sense

I've pushed a Hd500x and a 59 through about every combo that you can come up with. I haven't used the Helix so I can't speak about one of those. If your interested in REALLY using and getting the most out of the acoustic models, FRFR is going to give you the most usable set-up. I'm using 2 Lt3's in this combo. Plus, it doesn't sound like you need a 100w amp head w/ 2/12 cabs to fit what you described. You can always break the speakers down for PA or monitor work also, giving them a multi-purpose use. Need one only? Just take one. Need two? you get the idea. You don't have to buy L6 units as there are better, lighter ones available now a days. If you need horsepower, Break out your old Fender or Marshall and twist the knobs off of 'em. I however, would read the posts here CAREFULLY, and give my purchase a good long thought. These are real people with real issues, despite of everyone wanting to live in "Candy Land". L6 never goes back and fixes anything. IMHO ! They just seem to let us live with it, until they bring out the next new thing to replace whatever "IT" is. As far as I'm aware...Nothing has changed with these guitars since issue.Just bring out the new Yamaha Variax. 500's lasted two years, Hd500x hits the deck. Next up.....the Helix...etc. Same thing happened with their amp line-ups. More new stuff.....what problems with the old stuff ? Maybe it's not supposed to last any longer than that? They have up-dated the new Spiders 'tho'. ??? Plus, be aware that you will more than likely have to ship any problems back to L6, you can get that drift for yourself by reading what customers have said here. In short, these can be really, really, great sounding rigs. After a lot of effort on YOUR part. And quite a bit of time spent on your computer, 'cause that's where your headed FIRST. They can also be frustrating, bug-a-boo loaded monsters that end up sitting in the corner. But I think most of that falls on L6 and a very poor business model that they seem to want to follow. Hell, It's only money, But folks who have it should spend wisely. The birth of the Guitar, A Primal Twang. Shawn PS. Buy from Sweetwater. The extra years of warranty saved me many $$$$$ on more than one occasion. Plus, they gave me exchange credit on a couple of warranty returns.

You are correct. I bought mine early in the game when offered at $1499.00. So the ploy obviously worked. I would have never given $2499.00 either. At any price, I still think the fretboard wood quality was less than good. It's open grain seems to dry out faster and need more attention than others I have. I also replaced the badly filed nut with a fresh one. The rest of the guitar looks much, much better. Mines actually kinda nice looking otherwise.

I agree. The fretboard wood quality is poor. Mine looked like it was sawed out of a 4x4 off of a pallet. It was very open grained and coarse and also took alot of treatment. It may not be a $3000 guitar now, but I'll remind you that the original MSRP was $2499. So I would have hoped for better wood somehow ?

Ask Mr Psarkissian for one. He's a good dude, I'm sure he'd be more than glad to help you out. Maybe a SASE and BINGO ! That way you won't void the warranty with an un-authorized paper wad.......just a joke there folks, just a joke....

Ifin' I'm 'membering kerectly, You was movin' yer, your know what, to a new house then ??? No wonder we missed contacts. It was up at Papa Copolla"s estate, private guests only, but you coulda' had 'yer name left at the gate. I'll be at another elite gig on April 15th at an exclusive "Private House Concert" where one of my best friends will be playing. I don't know if you got time right now,I can get you in, but let me know and I'll P M you a link where you can check it out. It's in Cali. You should look at Micheal's cred's anyway, he's who I've been traveling with lately giving Master Class Studies. Ya , they kicked us out of Europe, so we just went to S. America for a few events. Between the two of us though..........his tone and ability has to be seen and heard. He always kicks my butt and goes home with the awards.......but I'm learning to live with it. almost Hit me back & check it out. THE Getbox Killer

I wasn't aware of you saying anything prior, that's what prompted the question. It sounds kinda sick for me to say this....but....I'm sorta glad that you had to fix yours first too.....Why not used? Seems a lot of them will need fixed anyway and one can get a warranted return cheap, if not free, 'cause you work there. This isn't any industry secret, it happens all the time. Easy for you to fix as a Factory Tech, and they better be good now, because you, and L6 have a reputation to keep. We're all adults here and we should be able to talk out in the open. I was beginning to think that my gear was being shipped in from another planet, and that everyone else was getting all the perfect stuff from Earth. Thanks for being honest and taking the time to answer a tough question....your a good egg there, Mister P. You know me too....think back to San Diego and the days of Iron Butterfly, Walsh & The James Gang, Chris Issaak. Jog your memories ? Written with Respect, Me

Whattttt ! Is that you T-Bone??? I thought you was dead !, After I Pm'd you about two years ago to invite you to our gig up in Napa and you didn't show up. Missed a great show. I've been out of country traveling for the last year and a half....teaching, and when I got the "Variax Survey" notice, that was when I checked the forum. But Dude, I said that "I Might be the Only One"......not that I was the only one. It was just a figure of speech 'cause I'm always counting on you and the Cruzinon2 to keep the fires lit. Congratulations on the use of the big words.....I can just imagine Wiki-Pedia going into action as we speak. Confidence and knowledge sometimes has a way of coming across as a bit pompous, but I can assure you that my ego isn't in charge of my intellectual capabilities. I actually know when and how to take a good ribbing, and I really enjoy great sarcasm and satire. But I had no intention to ignore others who, like yourself, might feel the same. BS and stupid should always be rebutted, but that is the one thing that's the most difficult here, at least. People claim that they owned everything that L6 has made for the last twenty years, and are in love with it all, but give up on a Fishman Triple Play ? All that L6 gear was way tougher that any Fishman....but you took it off and returned it ????.................. really? Challenge them, and the ridicule starts along with the childish votes all because one asked a tough question. Vote away....I'm not running for any elected office. I'm also not going to give you any of the same old canned answers that we have watched for the last years, answering the same old tired questions. That's the main reason I don't read too many prior posts. I'm gonna go look, but I can't wait to read your opinion about the "Survey". ? There is almost nothing asked about the evaluation of the actual guitars ???. .....I guess that they have forgotten that their bitchin' computer thingie comes in one. What did they want to know about ? How you liked 'yer get-box ?.....or how did you like your computer?? Steve Wozniack must have compiled the damn thing. Talk about being out of touch . Let 'er rip there Big Boner.....I'm ready and I got my seatbelt pulled tight....Hands on the Wheel and windshield wipers on ! Great to Hear from You, Shawn

Yup, I don't have a clue as to what I'm talkin' about.... But Line 6 just sent out the SURVEY............ almost 7 years exactly from the date of issue...July, 2010. I think it's time to fill that out...as now you have a qualified opinion about their instruments.

This happens more often than any would care to admit. Same-0 happened to me. No one here wants to discus real life accounts about the durability or reliability of their gear. Mines 5+ yrs old also. Everybody comes online and gushes about how much they LOVE this stuff, but they are so inexperienced that they don't know that falling in love "First Sight" means nothing. I too have owned a Dt-25......it went Ta-Ta's-up, a Dt-50....fried power supply, 59 bricked during a firmware up-date,3-way switch failed twice,Firmware has to be re-flashed all the time because glitches show up-out of the blue now, etc. 2 Lt3's, one has had the fan repaired twice, the other one was dinged up in the box and was exchanged. The HD500x,M-10, L6 link are the only things that have NOT failed. In classes that I took, I was taught not to really evaluate any guitar until you have had it for at least two years. The main reason was that the guitar will change the most during that period because of the changes that happen as the wood seasons. Both in acoustic's and solid bodies. The next years, 3-5, are all about how it holds up to extended use. So.....if it don't last, or if you haven't had it long enough to see if it will last at all...you don't have any long term data to base your evaluations on. Here, it seems, no-one remembers everything that they had to fix or fiddle with on a brand new instrument just to get it in a playable condition in the first place. Their posts go from "WTF is going on" to "God I"m in Love like never before" all inside of a week or two. This is emotions...not logic. I mean all you have to do is read their own prior posts. How can it be love at first sight?.......Oh! I meant after I fixed it !,......'cause it sure didn't come ready to play. .The same Sh*t has been going on for almost 7 years now. Same questions to the same old problems with exactly the same gear every time a new customer shows up. Ship it here !, ship it there ! Have you tried the Hokie-Pokie? So, in closing my man, I might be the only person here, that you will get to agree with you in public. But we are supposed to be able to express our opinions here too, along side of those who might feel differently.

Sark, I don't want to ask you any questions that you might be uncomfortable in answering...... But I'm wondering how a person in your position with L6 ends up with 4 used guitars ? If I worked there, I'd think I'd want new ones. But that's just me. I can understand a buddy hocking you one 'cause he's in a bind...but 4 of them ? You have stated that you haven't had a lick of trouble with any of them either, so my question would be, have none of them ever been repaired? Or did you repair them before you bought them and haven't had any trouble since? It's unusual for 4 people to want to sell their guitars when they haven't had any problems with 'em, so maybe they just didn't like them or know how to use them? Maybe you can shed a little light here without getting in trouble at work......but I just hadta ask. Shawn

The story is entirely true. It is exactly what happened to ME, ME, when I walked into Guitar Center, La Mesa, California on or about November, 2011 to do exactly what was described. I went there to demo a 59. Unless you were there ? On what basis are you calling me a liar ? You really need to stop with the ASSUMING ? Your not happy with,nor do you like Shawn, that's OK, but I would like for our obvious differences to to end on a civil note. I'm sorry that I castrated you....but I said it wasn't anything personal in my very first post. This is my last response to you on this matter, so lets agree to move on...OK?

Stick with it....you can find out what you need to know here. There's a whole bunch of pretty smart folks here that are glad to help. Just remember to use your own brains, and that it takes some time to really get a handle on this stuff. It doesn't come to you all in one night, nor is some of it easy to understand. The more complicated anything is....."It does ALL That "? Steepens the learning curve. Add something else......HD500X, more learning involved. Sorry to hear about the rotten luck with the 89, hope you have a different outcome with your new 59. Shawn

So it should be, and sound perfect, without me having to touch anything except maybe adjusting a standard guitar set-up ? 'Cause that's not the way they come......You have internal issues to correct first. This isn't about personal preferences, it's about a valid starting point that would have to be established before one could evaluate anything. How about my tuning challenge ? All the customer could do would be to give the tuners a twist....he has to evaluate what it is that you just handed him, as is. I find things hard to ignore just because we hope for the best outcome.

Do you go onboard and correct anything with the computer modeling.?.. None of the issues I have presented here were corrected in my guitar,out of the box, and you stated that you guys have a look at all of them first before shipping ? Why would a demo model be any different?

My statement was based on my own personal experience. That makes it a viable fact....would hold up in a court of law. Don't be a sore loser....it's beneath your status to start taking things personally here. Point out anything that you could rebut.... I didn't think so............Sorry that I embarrassed you.

I didn't make it clear that the guitar was in tune on the mags, but that all the tuning issues are evident when you engage the modeling features or the Alt Tuning. It's also why the difference stands out so much....in tune...out of tune, all with the flick of the knobs. So unless you used Workbench first.....nothing is, or can be tuned. Also the story is of when I actually went to do a 59 demo at Guitar Center in November, 2011 at La Mesa, California. Not made up as "somebody" has claimed here. Sark, Here's the rub..... In the real world, the guitar that he has picked up to try out is in a "New Right Out of the Box" condition. The "Employee" who un-packed it and got it ready to be used as a demo, has done exactly what he has always done to every guitar he has put out. That means he pulled it out and made sure that the thing had strings and knobs, & yep it's got tuners and the neck is still attached, & I see it isn't busted in half or has any obvious damage that would make it unsuitable to display. Then he might quickly check it out for a very basic set-up, plug in in to ? SOMETHING ? Yah it makes noise,and finally give it a quick tuning. Since we are discussing a 59 here, we all know that there is an issue with the firmware that means unless the guitar has been hooked up to WorkBench HD, and steps taken to correct the issue of 'Global String Volumes", you can't even begin to TUNE THE DAMN THING PROPERLY. I highly have doubts that the shop plugged in the death dongle, went online and downloaded "MONKEY", then' Downloaded WorkBench HD, Flashed in any updates, 2.0, and or never ever knew what needed to to be corrected before one even reached a starting point. I know I only have a Masters Degree in Music Performance/ with a Guitar Major...but I will challenge ANYBODY to tune an instrument in this condition properly.......go ahead....I'm ready to learn something new every day. This is basic Guitar for Dummies stuff. Then, most likely, the customer picks it up and walks over and usually plugs it into his or her favorite amp. That's what most do. But let's say that we have a HD500X hooked up also for demo, it's still generally run through most any old amp to try out. Not FRFR, because no-one in the shop has any idea that when the guy tries out the acoustic models with an amp inline, it will sound like Sh*t. Next he/she will try out all the fantastic electric models that seemed to all kinda sound the same until adjustments are made, both with the guitar and the 500X, and the guitar is still out of tune the whole time. Combine these factors all together and remember that the demonstration now has 2 uninformed people involved. At what point here do you think that anyone would have any chance to evaluate anything fairly ? Play all you want, your trying out an instrument that isn't even close to being ready to be played yet. I'm surprised that they sell any..............See the "Did I get a Bad Guitar" thread. New 59. bought to replace a 89... "What's with the string volumes"....... Yes, it sounds really bad...until YOU fix it......... Let me plunk my hard earned bucks down on this baby....Oh Yeah! Good Luck, Shawn

Was your 59 brand new when you bought it ?

what happened to the 89 ?

And I'm gonna mark you down as .....not happy...............see "should i buy a 59"? thread

See, you included a fact. You have ONE, and love it.......... Ginster loves his also........that's also a fact.... Now we are getting to a real answer......2 factual accounts that 2 real people love their guitars. A beginning for sure, but still not enough to declare that everybody else loves them also without providing more proof. As of this moment, we can only say for sure is.....at least 2 people love them...... and we have no idea how everybody else feels. If facts show that everybody else REALLY loves the Sh*t out of 'em..FANTASTIC ! Remember, I never made any claims that more people liked or disliked anything....I just said the statement was unfounded...NO PROOF OFFERED . Love is based on emotions-------Logic is based on factual data. Debate is based on merit.....One cannot intertwine the two in discussion because you are talking about two different things. Facts and figures are real set objects, while emotions are just a given on how one might feel at any particular moment. I have lots of other guitars and my opinion of them has always been static... Loved it or didn't, my opinion didn't change later, I still love them or don't. Not minute by minute depending on when you asked me last. It was not my intention to sway any ones opinion either way....I would never wish being unhappy on any one else. I hope everybody has the best of luck and reaches the goals that they might aspire to. When I voice my own personal opinion....I realize that it only reflects one point of view,..... one.....not more than one. Rebut what you think lacks merit, add any know facts that apply to support your position, consider things that are brought to light through the discovery process that are relevant to the issue at hand, and in closing, add how you personally feel or offer opinions that would have impact on the items in discussion. Debate 101................................Love, Shawn

The thing here is that, first he told the O P to beware of getting a "Skewed Perspective" from the forum....and then as an "Expert" proceeded to give him exactly that. A skewed perspective. Their was no disclaimer and his statement was reflected as factual, although no facts were involved. Then some of what was said was just pure BS..."Problems experienced only number from the tens---well maybe up to a 100 or so". When you are a expert with over 15,000 posts, new users here tend to take you for your word as the definitive and ultimate source for information. The reason that I responded to this post was that this expert has made this same statement more than just a few times here. Never has it been stated as an "Opinion", it has always been presented as facts without substance. Now, it has grown a life of it's own as being truthful....all on the single merit of have been told over and over. The point is....there are vast and complex points to consider before declaring that far and away the vast majority of everybody is estatic and euphoric with their JTV guitars. I, for one, have found out through over 5 years experience with a 59, that I can love this thing one minute, then 10 minutes later I just have to put it down and walk away from the damn thing. I believe that most of the credit belongs to the users, not L6, as far as being happy goes. None of this stuff is ready to go right out of the box. It's a learning curve. You have to stick it out to reach your goals and be satisfied. You have to fix and diddle with things as simple as firmware string volumes,just one example, and almost none of the models sound worth sh*t unless you fix 'em first. How many neck jobs on a 69 do you have to read about before you would think that people aren't happy until they fixed it themselves ? People with an open work orders, or people waiting to get parts so they can fix stuff themselves are NOT happy either I can tell you......... Every time I plug in , I got my fingers crossed. Is it gonna be all "Wonkie" now ?, or will it be the same as when I turned it off last time I used it ? How many times have you had to "Reflash" your rig because some unknown gremlin popped up out of the middle of nowhere ?After quite a period of frustration with mine, it finally became the rig that I used the most, now, after being let down on more than one occasion, it is no longer my first choice to preform with and it gets left behind more often then not. So by fact, I've been both happy and pissed. Just depends on when you asked me what my opinion is..... But remember that all formulas need real numbers to establish verifiable answers. X + Z x Y= Means nothing on it's own merit........... Silverhead has produced gobs of very usable info here, and I'll be the first to agree with you on that point....He has answered many of my own queries. This however, wasn't one of those moments.

My post is chock full of facts that you failed to consider........I haven't made any claims as to one way or the other. I have only stated that you haven't used any data or variables in making a statement that you claim to be true. Well, it ain't true if one only presents the one sided information that makes you look good. Your opinion isn't unreasonable......it's unfounded. There's a big difference between the two. What's unreasonable, is for you to blurt out STUFF and then call out for the rest of us to blindly agree. The assumption that I have made, is that you really have no idea or research to back up your stated claim. Nothing personal here....Just a rebuttal to another story of a Bigfoot sighting..........telling it over and over doesn't make it true.....

It's an inside joke.....I actually knew a girl when I was young named Rosie McDonald....she wasn't the pick of the litter either !

This is purely an assumption on your part. First, you have omitted the fact that many people use the forum as guests. One doesn't have to sign up as a member to use it to solve any issues that they might have. There are really few new questions or answers offered here, so one would be able to use the forum as intended, as a research library. You are only including the people who post here. Therefore, many could come and go and be unknown to you. How many "Guests"have there been ? To use your logic, all of them had problems, 'cause they wouldn't have used the forum otherwise.That would mean you have no idea of the number of people who have had problems. It also means you have no idea how many people are happy. Second, you are just taking a wild guess and making statements that have no verifiable numbers involved in your conclusions. To quote numbers that would represent that less than 100 people have ever posted here with Variax issues is absurd. Each piece can have more than one issue too, and you haven't considered that either. Then, you "Guess" how many have been sold. Then finally you want us to draw the same conclusion when even you admit that the "Vast Majority of Users" are not here ? So you just take another guess and say that they must all be happy.....? How many folks just went and returned them? Pick any old number......'cause you have no idea how many did that either. How many sold them because they weren't satisfied ? You don't know.....We've also heard of folks who returned their guitars 1 or 2 times before they got one that they were happy with. Did you count them as unhappy twice before becoming happy at last ? How about the guys who started out happy, but ain't quite so happy now ? & vice versa... This is called flawed logic and should not be accepted as a conclusion that is being formed on any factual information. I have read this over and over here...........and until you can come here with some, or any, type of factual information, I think you should stop making these "Fairy Tale" assumptions. Anybody can take a wild guess....you didn't even come close to considering all of the factors that you would have had too, to support your own opinion here. Of course, you like yours, and you want everybody to like theirs.......that's why your a L6 Expert. But, I think you have reached a biased opinion..........