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  1. Yeah I get what you're saying, I'm not trying to 'be' Def Leppard or make that my signature sound, I'm happy with my personal hard rock patches. This is just a personal thing, when playing along with the album, it's a challenge to make a patch that sounds authentic along with it because it's so unusual. I have got Scott's Hysteria pack so I'll probably go back to that and have a play. Something that made me chuckle was that Phil Collen in an interview just this week said that what he liked about the Fractal was that it allowed you to spend more time playing than tweaking because it was easy to program. I couldn't help thinking hmm.. try that with the Helix haha! Interesting factoid.. Phil at one time was using the Line 6 Vetta with foot pedal, live with his side band Man Raze. I saw him using it in London and instantly went out and bought the same gear, and been using Line 6 products ever since.
  2. Its all a bit of a proverbial rabbit hole isn't it? Definitely with custom tone stuff and some presets you can buy online, they are disappointing for whatever reason when you use them yourself. Conversely, I've got a custom tone hard rock patch to die for, its sounds monstrous, much better than anything I've ever dialled in, so its hit and miss. On the hysteria sound, I guess when you put it like that regarding helix, you would think it possible to achieve but when I create tones I always go on the amp theory, so obviously if I'm after an overdrive Marshall tone I'm going to start with the 2204 amp model etc. The problem with hysteria is that they didn't use any amps they used one of those old rockman distortion pedals straight into the desk, but the pedal was re wired then eq'ed so even though helix has a lot of sounds to play with, where do you even start? When you really listen to the guitar tone on that record its very overdrive, almost razor like yet it has almost no bottom end at all. I do realise that if anyone had something close, it might not be the same my end but I would love to find a sound in helix as a starting point at least. I do know the guitars were recorded using a single coil strat and telecaster so that obviously contributed to the end sound. Regarding Leppard playing live and therefore re-creating the album tone, that's not the case at all. Having seen them countless times and studied the evolution of their guitar rigs and tones, they actually never tried to copy the studio sound, probably because there was no live gear back then that could do it, or it just didn't work in a live format. Having avoided using Marshall type tones on that album, they actually went back to using JCM 800s for live shows. Phil Collen is actually using a fractal now. So even if I asked the guitar players how to dial in the hysteria album tone, they wouldn't know because they never used it live! Thats why I was hoping some clever person around here might have tried!
  3. Yes, actually followed Scott's stuff quite a lot, he's a good guy with loads of great tips on Helix, and I did mention it to him, then shortly after, he came up with the Hysteria patch. However, when i tried it with my gear it was way off, but i know the Helix well enough to know that it was probably very good at Scott's end, but you put that patch somewhere else with someone else's speakers, different room, different guitars, strings etc and it's completely different. I think with that particular album guitar tone, it's so specific that it might be a bit too ambitious to re-create on the Helix what was effectively, a guitar sound made in the studio. I've heard nothing since that comes close in a recording either. It has a clarity which is almost space age sounding or futuristic. I suppose Helix is at the end of the day, more geared up to re-create actual amp tones.
  4. Excellent work on those YouTube clips mate, we're coming from the same musical influences, I've been chasing tones for Def Leppard, Queensryche, Whitesnake etc so don't know how I missed those clips but will check out the downloads. Have you tried to replicate the guitar tone on the Hysteria album at all? That would be something to nail seeing as it's such a unique sound, as you probably know, they didn't use any actual real amps to record that album
  5. Ah okay, never done it but will give it a go!
  6. I literally have no idea how to do that. Presumably you connect Helix to laptop then need some software to record?
  7. Here's another, these are live ones obviously but still tones i'm trying to get close. This one is a live guitar only channel of Adrian Smith
  8. Okay here's one excellent example with Richie Faulkner - not only is it mesmerising playing but that tone!
  9. There are a few references, some album tones, some live ones. I listen to youtube clips through my yamaha 5.1 amp connected to the tv, but in stereo mode. I'll try and upload some examples - how do you attach a youtube clip into these posts?
  10. You guys are making me paranoid now about these speakers! I've never used the Helix through anything else so it's hard for me to make a comparison, when you say the 310's are better, in what way? Is the sound drastically different enough to warrant changing over?
  11. You've done this before.. you're really Bob Rock aren't you? ;)
  12. Just tried this - Amazing! you've nailed the Archetype, that's the best i've heard that amp from my Helix, very tight bottom but you can still palm mute it and get some resonance and depth. The Engl is still a bit dark for me so might have to fiddle a bit on that. The Marshall is nice too, not fizzy. I assumed on your post you meant to apply those to the cabs, and you just ignored the IR altogether?
  13. Mixed results! They sound decent but a bit thin on the sound, at least through my gear. I notice you're doing the high and low cuts on the IR's, 80hz & 8khz which does cure the boomy IR sound to be fair. When i play my versions back to back with yours, my archetype is definitely too middly or bright, but the tones sound a bit fatter. I think i'll keep yours and EQ them a bit because you definitely have the reverb and reflections sounding better on yours.
  14. Yep Alto's are on their own stands, top of speakers are about 6' height from ground. I stand at least 2 metres away - not because i think they've got coronavirus, but because the Helix is on the floor in front of them so you can't really get right up near to them anyway! I've attached a photo of the back of the left one, as you can see they are TS210 model, which as i say, was recommended on this forum at the time i was looking for some. I also have a DT50 212 combo amp (for sale) as I don't use it with my Helix, tried it once, sounded terrible!
  15. Hey Duned.. some interesting stuff in there that I need to check out, thanks. As Sacha said, I did include the IR - now, the only reason there is a cab slot and an IR slot in those patches is purely to A/B them one at a time to see truly, what sounds more real. I wouldn't have them both on at same time, final patch would eliminate the unwanted one you see. You're right, I use the SM57 because I'm most familiar with it, plus it always sounds brighter to me, but I want to try your recommendations of the different mics. I like Jason's stuff and I have used his templates, but his patches sound like s**t with my gear, really terrible and thin. It's great when he demo's them but for some reason I can't get any of it to work my end.
  16. Oh god don't ask me what all the pick ups are haha - but you'll have a better idea when I tell you the guitars i'm using.. Jackson PC-1 with sustainer (professional) Jackson PC archtop (professional) Jackson JS-32 (budget) Ibanez RG350 (kinda budget) As well as a few others, but you get the idea that i'm using mainly high quality super strat type guitars, all with humbuckers, no single coil stuff
  17. Cool.. Going to try this out.. will post results!
  18. Thanks for this - will try them out!
  19. Understand the points above, not playing live at moment, just in a room at home. Hard rock guitar is my thing. I bought the Helix to emulate that, so when i get a good tone it makes me more enthusiastic to play. It irritates me when I'm unhappy with my tones, so I'm afraid it is something I want to crack. End of the day i'm not looking for a perfect tone, my question was really to see if anyone is doing something in their patches that i'm missing, for this type of sound.
  20. Thanks, appreciate your response and i will look into those points, as to the gain, I just do what sounds right to get that classic hi gain sound i'm after. Others don't seem to always need a distortion pedal in there at all. Guitar pad is off by the way - is is better to have that switched on?
  21. Okay so followed your guide - couldn't get quite the saturation of distortion so i added the tube screamer pedal first, which helps a fair bit. I was pleasantly surprised at the result, I added a high & low cut EQ block which also helps but it can be improved still, and have uploaded for bypassvalve to look at. I added an IR block to A/B against the stock cab. It's weird because when you play just by yourself, the IR sounds so much fuller and more alive but when you jam with a record, the stock cab sits in the mix so much better, the IR is way to thin on the top end and too bassy on the low end - at least to sound authentic when playing along with something. I guess you could EQ the IR to within an inch of it's life so sound less fizzy or boomy, I've not tried that yet. I'm interested to see how good I can get the stock cab to sound with the Archetype lead amp. So much tighter on the bottom - but, does lack a little bit of bite on the gain. Maybe that could be boosted somehow?
  22. Attaching x3 presets all basic patches with an IR slot and a stock cab slot, to alternate between the two - see what you think Arch test 1.hlx Engl test 1.hlx Marshall test 1.hlx 095 LX TDR HG6.wav
  23. Hey Robbie, that's perfect, that's exactly what i'm looking for and that is my favourite amp model, mostly because for a lead sound it's quite thick and cuts nicely, the other high gain amps seem to be a little thin and fizzy for lead. I've never dialled in a tone with Archetype that i'm super happy with but i'll try your suggestion. I'm still going to post the patches for bypassvalve to look at, and dunedindragon's suggestion turning off the contour on the speakers has improved things too
  24. Interesting.. these certainly weren't cheap, and they're on stands not on the floor. I got these as recommendations from here actually as at the time, these seemed to be a popular choice as flat response speakers for the Helix. That may be out of date now because I've had these for a while now. I did check the contour, one was switched on, one was off, so i'll see if that makes any difference at all
  25. Haha love it! Just doing the 2.92 update then will attach a couple of presets
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