Update, preset rebuild, tip!

[Joepeggio]

When doing an update.

 

Note all globals, save all irs in order (naming with number trick), save All presets in folders including factory. Save setlists as well....

 

Now for the tip. Others may have suggested this before.

 

After saving all of above i first do a 9 - 10 reset. Why, because it wipes all my presets so after update the first rebuild is much faster.

[datacommando]

Now for the tip. Others may have suggested this before.

 

After saving all of above i first do a 9 - 10 reset. Why, because it wipes all my presets so after update the first rebuild is much faster.

 

I think it's an illusion, it will just appear to be a faster "rebuild" because it is only dealing with empty slots?

What happens after you reload all your custom user presets?

My guess is the next time you power up the Helix it will start to rebuild your presets from #256 (the user slots above the factory patches).

I think that Helix will have to update your old presets to the current firmware standard, so I can't see that there is any time saving to be had.

It does what it does, and its's really not that long a delay for the rebuild to finish.

[tonymuka]

It sounds like a smart idea to me, thanks. Probably saves more work for users with a lot of user presets.

[HonestOpinion]

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Now for the tip. Others may have suggested this before.

 

After saving all of above i first do a 9 - 10 reset. Why, because it wipes all my presets so after update the first rebuild is much faster.

 

Great idea!  I have thought about doing this myself before and making it a standard part of my update process. Not only do I think you are correct that it might speed up the rebuild process but it might also eliminate those rare freezes after an update due to a problem with a specific user preset. Let us know how it goes, I may just do it myself next time I update.  :)

[duncann]

When doing an update.

 

Note all globals, save all irs in order (naming with number trick), save All presets in folders including factory. Save setlists as well....

 

Now for the tip. Others may have suggested this before.

 

After saving all of above i first do a 9 - 10 reset. Why, because it wipes all my presets so after update the first rebuild is much faster.

 

Even easier might be:

 

After the firmware flash is done and the device automatically power cycles, when the message of rebuilding presets shows up, manually cut the power. Now do the global reset.

 

This way, there's no need to save the factory presets, and you don't have to wait for the factory presets to go through a rebuild process at all.

[Joepeggio]

Even easier might be:

 

After the firmware flash is done and the device automatically power cycles, when the message of rebuilding presets shows up, manually cut the power. Now do the global reset.

 

This way, there's no need to save the factory presets, and you don't have to wait for the factory presets to go through a rebuild process at all.

 

hmmmmm......  Sounds interesting, but the angel on my right shoulder says never pull the plug while electronics (computers) are busy, while the devil on the left says go for it!

[jbuhajla]

Even easier might be:

 

After the firmware flash is done and the device automatically power cycles, when the message of rebuilding presets shows up, manually cut the power. Now do the global reset.

 

This way, there's no need to save the factory presets, and you don't have to wait for the factory presets to go through a rebuild process at all.

Cutting power during an engineered data restructuring (rebuilding process) does not sound like a good idea if you are just trying to save a few minutes. 

[duncann]

Haven't had a problem doing this yet. In any event, it shouldn't matter because you're about to do a global reset anyway. Beyond that, even when Helix is idle and apparently doing nothing, it must always be doing something behind the scenes and is therefore busy. So when power is cut during these times, is it risky?

 

But still, the idea of resetting the globals before flashing is an excellent idea.

[Joepeggio]

Just did a 9 10 prior to update.  It still builds factory pres about 2 per second.  Surprising to me, it still build the empty preset too, although much faster.  only saves a few minutes, plus it takes a minute to do the 9 10 beforehand.  So 6 of one........

[datacommando]

Just did a 9 10 prior to update.  It still builds factory pres about 2 per second.  Surprising to me, it still build the empty preset too, although much faster.  only saves a few minutes, plus it takes a minute to do the 9 10 beforehand.  So 6 of one........

 

And half a dozen of the other!

Which is sort of what I was getting at in the previous post, really.

Plus, cutting the power during an update sound like an exceptionally bad move to me, but hey - each to their own!

Probably why Line 6 has the "DO NOT UNPLUG" etc. warning on screen during the update procedure.

[bsd512]

Great idea!  I have thought about doing this myself before and making it a standard part of my update process. Not only do I think you are correct that it might speed up the rebuild process but it might also eliminate those rare freezes after an update due to a problem with a specific user preset. Let us know how it goes, I may just do it myself next time I update.  :)

 

I started doing this a few firmware revisions ago for that reason. I've never had any freezes but knew it was a possibility since others have reported it. But also figured why not start the update from a factory defaults starting point - didn't seem like a bad idea, and you end up there after the update and 9+10 reset procedure anyway. So ... it couldn't hurt, and it might help. :)

[zooey]

Even easier might be:

 

After the firmware flash is done and the device automatically power cycles, when the message of rebuilding presets shows up, manually cut the power. Now do the global reset.

 

This way, there's no need to save the factory presets, and you don't have to wait for the factory presets to go through a rebuild process at all.

No. Just no.

 

Please don't take a risk like that, just to save a few minutes during a firmware upgrade.

[HonestOpinion]

Even easier might be:

 

After the firmware flash is done and the device automatically power cycles, when the message of rebuilding presets shows up, manually cut the power. Now do the global reset.

 

This way, there's no need to save the factory presets, and you don't have to wait for the factory presets to go through a rebuild process at all.

 

Fortune favors the bold but stability favors the cautious. Unplugging anything when it is doing a cleanup/rebuild process after a firmware update is a little too intrepid for my tastes.

[jbuhajla]

I always to a factory reset (after making backups) before doing a firmware update. I have had zero preset issues with restored backups when doing that.