shanecgriffo Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 just looking at a pedal someone is selling locally- the xotic ep boost - which recreates the preamp stage that players used from the echoplex unit , it is supposed to be a nice tone enhancer that some big players favoured (evh page etc)- i'm wondering tho if that is modelled as part of the delay model version of the echoplex on helix.? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shanecgriffo Posted June 2, 2017 Author Share Posted June 2, 2017 i got home and tried the transistor tape with mix on 0 and it does seem to thicken the tone and take the spikey elements from my single coil pickups.. has anyone tried that ep pedal i mentioned tho.? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ADBrown Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 I turned the time and feedback all the way down and experimented with the mix 50-100% and I definitely got a similar if not very similar type of coloration and thickness as I do with my EP pedal. Unfortunately, my EP pedal isn't with me currently but I'll try to AB them sometime this weekend if someone else doesn't get to it first. I'll also add that I have used the EP with Helix and it worked great, though it seems like going forward I will be able to use the transistor tape in it's place and setup one less thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shanecgriffo Posted June 2, 2017 Author Share Posted June 2, 2017 yeah it will be great to know if the onboard does the same job.. tho some jobs i do i just use a smaller zoom ms50g pedal instead of the helix which may benefit from that sort of pedal in front of it (tho it is suprisingly ok for the price- the amps and fx aren't too shabby for a single pedal sized unit- for non critical jamming anyway) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shanecgriffo Posted June 2, 2017 Author Share Posted June 2, 2017 I turned the time and feedback all the way down and experimented with the mix 50-100% and I definitely got a similar if not very similar type of coloration and thickness as I do with my EP pedal. Unfortunately, my EP pedal isn't with me currently but I'll try to AB them sometime this weekend if someone else doesn't get to it first. I'll also add that I have used the EP with Helix and it worked great, though it seems like going forward I will be able to use the transistor tape in it's place and setup one less thing. i found if the mix was too high the tone kind of thinned out for some reason.. i put mine at about 30.. then i added about 3.0 boost just to drive the (fender) amp model a bit. the thickening effect was apparent even without boosting tho Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyingsCool Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 i found if the mix was too high the tone kind of thinned out for some reason.. i put mine at about 30.. then i added about 3.0 boost just to drive the (fender) amp model a bit. the thickening effect was apparent even without boosting tho  What type of guitar were you using where you experienced the thinning of tone?  Seems to me, it's always important when comparing experience of tone, humbucker/single coil/active/passive/etc... can mean a lot... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterHamm Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 Or... if you want the same kind of subtle "more tone" control, but it doesn't have to be exact, I use the Minotaur with the drive all the way down and adjust gain and tone as desired. It's a great always on "more tone" knob. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shanecgriffo Posted June 2, 2017 Author Share Posted June 2, 2017 What type of guitar were you using where you experienced the thinning of tone? Â Seems to me, it's always important when comparing experience of tone, humbucker/single coil/active/passive/etc... can mean a lot... vintage style single coil.. the tone just seemed to change quite a bit on the upside of a 50% mix level.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shanecgriffo Posted June 2, 2017 Author Share Posted June 2, 2017 Or... if you want the same kind of subtle "more tone" control, but it doesn't have to be exact, I use the Minotaur with the drive all the way down and adjust gain and tone as desired. It's a great always on "more tone" knob.yes i've done this a bit too.. it's great for that 😉👠Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zooey Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 vintage style single coil.. the tone just seemed to change quite a bit on the upside of a 50% mix level.. Lowest possible delay time probably isn't 0, you may be hearing phase cancellation from mixing a slightly delayed signal with the original. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joepeggio Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 Well if it is true and the Transistor Tape does model the Echoplex pre-amp as does the EP, then it should be a no-brainer for Line 6 to create a separate drive pedal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shanecgriffo Posted June 3, 2017 Author Share Posted June 3, 2017 decided against the ep pedal purchase , with all the options in helix and my Bogner harlow boost/compression/eq pedal i think i have enough tonal options really :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shanecgriffo Posted June 4, 2017 Author Share Posted June 4, 2017 i'll see how it goes tomorrow when i get a chance to play at a good volume, so far i'm noticing it really thickens the sound nicely and tames the spikey transients, with strat and fender/supro style combinations.. if it works at loud volumes too i'll be happy, just playing at home it sounds pretty sweet .. be interested to see if anyone else finds this to be a nice tone sweetener edit- works really nice on the litigator too, just in front of the amp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixesandsevens Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 Well if it is true and the Transistor Tape does model the Echoplex pre-amp as does the EP, then it should be a no-brainer for Line 6 to create a separate drive pedal. Agreed, esp. since it will likely be lighter on DSP! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shanecgriffo Posted June 6, 2017 Author Share Posted June 6, 2017 update:- after using it a bit i'm liking the way it gives the notes across all the strings a more 'evening' roundness.. i guess in the way a nice overdrive will but maybe without so much colouring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZGuitar Posted June 6, 2017 Share Posted June 6, 2017 Good tips, playing my strat this Sunday so will give this try tonight. The Minotaur is great as well, I use this with an expression pedal to roll the gain from .9 to 5.4 in my case with my mule buckers on my primary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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