Can Helix do Digitech Ricochet effect?

[boynigel]

If set for Momentary, can a Helix footswitch be programmed, when used with one of the Pitch effects, to automatically bend a note up or down by a predetermined interval as well as controlling how long it takes to reach the desired pitch (as I keep the switch depressed),  and then return to the original note (when the switch is released), like the Digitech Ricochet? 

 

You may say “just use the expression pedal”.  Fair enough but my foot isn’t steady enough to do it perfectly even like the Ricochet does.

[rd2rk]

AFAIK, no. BUT if you set the range of the expression pedal (position min/max) you should be able to do it.

Probably a PITA working it out though.

I don't recall what it's called (flux?) but I think there's a new effect in that new gadget they just released (Opus One?) that does this.

[datacommando]

On 11/10/2023 at 3:00 PM, boynigel said:

You may say “just use the expression pedal”.

 

HI,

 

Yup, I would say that, because a Ricochet box is a DIgiTech Whammy with the pedal removed and a momentary switch added in its place.

 

Now, what @rd2rk mentions, is the new HX One stereo stomp box from Line 6 which essentially contains every effect from the Helix family in a single unit, but can only use one effect at a time. They have also added a novel "FLUX" button which is described like this on the FAQ page:-

 

What’s up with that TAP | FLUX switch?

Hold TAP and it changes to Flux, which acts like a Heel/Toe expression switch, where any (or all) parameters transition to a different value over X seconds/beats with a selectable curve. It’s a ton of fun, especially with tape delay squeals, octave divebombs, distortion swells into the chorus, blooming reverbs, and countless more tricks that are difficult or impossible to pull off live. Or if you set Flux Time to zero, you can seamlessly toggle between two states of the same effect, just like snapshots in Helix.

 

Here's the thing in action - hmm ... Ricochet?

 

 

Who knows, this might even be a feature added to the next HX Firmware.

 

Hope this helps/makes sense.

[boynigel]

On 11/10/2023 at 11:21 AM, datacommando said:

 

HI,

 

Yup, I would say that, because a Ricochet box is a DIgiTech Whammy with the pedal removed and a momentary switch added in its place.

 

 

thanks for the newsflash ;), but i own one.  but i can't justify it taking up a space on my sub-board.  Between the LT's expression pedal's uneven tension/resistance throughout its travel, and my foot not being robotic, there's no way i can get a perfectly even rise/fall like the Ricochet does.  It'd just be for one song so i'll just do something else until Helix 2 drops next month.

[datacommando]

On 11/10/2023 at 5:26 PM, boynigel said:

It'd just be for one song so i'll just do something else until Helix 2 drops next month.

Next month - Yeah, right - newsflash ;-) I won’t hold my breath.

 

Jeeziz, Nigel, what planet are you from? 

 

Now you say that you actually bought a Ricochet that produces the effect you’re chasing, but can’t justify the space it occupies to use it for just one song. What’s up with that - wrong colour scheme?

 

I guess I shouldn’t be, but I never seem to cease to be amazed how you leap into buying new gear, then rush to the forums to figure out why it doesn’t work how you expected? Maybe a little more research is required.

 

The other thing that I do wonder about is, how old will you have to be before you can drop the term “boy” from your handle? 
 

Ye gods - I despair.

 

Cantankerous old grey beard.

 

[josehdx]

Question, do you want to bend the note in a intervall time frame or just want to go from one note to another quickly by pressing the foot switch? If you dont want to bend you can use the poly capo as it will go up or down on the semitones you are setting in the effect 

[codamedia]

I have no inside knowledge but I suspect the HX One FLUX option will be included on the next Helix/HX update. The infrastructure is already in place - and the coding has already been figured out for the HX One. 

[TLF2007]

The Poly Pitch will do this. Add it into a patch, set the interval +/- as desired, set the note sync and return time either in ms or beats by tap tempo beat interval and it gives a similar effect. Its a DSP hog tho' so be forewarned.  

 

EDIT: Remember to change the bypass to a Footswitch and set it to Momentary 

[boynigel]

On 11/10/2023 at 6:17 PM, datacommando said:

Next month - Yeah, right - newsflash ;-) I won’t hold my breath.

tongue was planted firmly in cheek, but i knew someone would fall for it.

 

Jeeziz, Nigel, what planet are you from? 

Canarsie.  Bonus points if you know the reference.  you're older, so you've got decent odds.

 

Now you say that you actually bought a Ricochet that produces the effect you’re chasing, but can’t justify the space it occupies to use it for just one song. What’s up with that - wrong colour scheme?

i have a secondary board that i use with my LT.  On this board i have an H90, an expression pedal for it, and one other pedal that's going nowhere.  There is NO room for another pedal, and i've no intention to move to a larger board.  My Ricochet pedal, which i've owned for over 5 years, lives on my more traditional board that i use with another project.  Colour scheme?  I'm sorry, you must have mistaken me for one of those guys who purchased a skin for his Helix.  Oh yeah, and the board with the Ricochet on it lives at a different rehearsal space.

 

I guess I shouldn’t be, but I never seem to cease to be amazed how you leap into buying new gear, then rush to the forums to figure out why it doesn’t work how you expected? Maybe a little more research is required.

i don't "leap" into buying new gear.  with a few exceptions, my purchases are usually pretty well informed/researched.  but okay...

 

The other thing that I do wonder about is, how old will you have to be before you can drop the term “boy” from your handle? 

never.  i have a boy.  care to guess what his name is?
 

Ye gods - I despair.

life's hard.  wear a helmet man!  betacommando indeed.

 

Cantankerous old grey beard.

so it seems...

 

 

[rd2rk]

On 11/13/2023 at 11:01 AM, boynigel said:

Canarsie.  Bonus points if you know the reference.  you're older, so you've got decent odds.

 

I grew up on Staten Island in the 50s/60s. Canarsie was always considered another planet, but we never really understood why.

It seems that when the Verrazano Bridge opened, half the population of Brooklyn, including many from Canarsie, fled to the Island (the "sticks").

Canarsie and S.I. have a lot of history in common - former resort area, failed amusement park, the Mob, racial issues and - DUMPS!

Canarsie (Brooklyn in general) was where everybody fled from, S.I. was where they fled to, only to discover that it was "same as it ever was".

My family (Italian) moved from "Hell's Kitchen", but most of my relatives lived in Queens.

 

[boynigel]

On 11/13/2023 at 2:40 PM, rd2rk said:

 

I grew up on Staten Island in the 50s/60s. Canarsie was always considered another planet, but we never really understood why.

It seems that when the Verrazano Bridge opened, half the population of Brooklyn, including many from Canarsie, fled to the Island (the "sticks").

Canarsie and S.I. have a lot of history in common - former resort area, failed amusement park, the Mob, racial issues and - DUMPS!

Canarsie (Brooklyn in general) was where everybody fled from, S.I. was where they fled to, only to discover that it was "same as it ever was".

My family (Italian) moved from "Hell's Kitchen", but most of my relatives lived in Queens.

 

Jeez...Frank Zappa sure left out a lot of details.  Made me think it was a fictional place/planet.  Color me informed.

[datacommando]

On 11/13/2023 at 6:01 PM, boynigel said:

Canarsie.  Bonus points if you know the reference.  you're older, so you've got decent odds.

 "Canarsie, where everyone looks the same", spoke by Warren Cuccurullo.
FZ “Shut up and play yer guitar some more!”
 

Looks like @rd2rk has us both beat - but I have the excuse of being from Britain.

[rd2rk]

I totally missed the Zappa connection! I listened to a lot of Zappa during the Mothers period, but mostly lost the thread after that.

His musical brilliance seemed to be that what sounded like chaotic cacophony was actually repeatable incredibly complex formal composition.

He was definitely a completely unique individual.

 

He had a strange fascination with NY and New Yorkers - Vai and Cuccurullo (the Canarsie connection) specifically - and his Central Park shows were classic.

I was at a couple of those!

"I hear you've been having trouble with pigs and ponies"...

So many great lines!

[boynigel]

On 11/13/2023 at 12:25 PM, TLF2007 said:

The Poly Pitch will do this. Add it into a patch, set the interval +/- as desired, set the note sync and return time either in ms or beats by tap tempo beat interval and it gives a similar effect. Its a DSP hog tho' so be forewarned.  

 

EDIT: Remember to change the bypass to a Footswitch and set it to Momentary 

Finally got around to this the other day.  Perfect, performs just like the Ricochet.  Thanks!  Right now i'm just using my LT as an effects-only pedal board w/my amp, so no concerns with cpu hogging fortunately.