jon_bondy Posted August 22, 2024 Share Posted August 22, 2024 I have two Variax JTV guitars and want to copy all of the settings from the 1st guitar to the 2nd one. I tried to this by saving a Bundle from the 1st one, loading it into the Workshop and then Transferring all of the settings to the 2nd guitar. That seems to have worked a bit: when I rotate the knob with the presets on it (Lester, Acoustic, etc) they are the same on the 2nd guitar as on the 1st guitar. But... The tunings on the 2nd guitar are not the same as the 1st guitar. In addition, the 2nd guitar does not work properly with my Helix. Patches that cause the 1st guitar to change key (electric capo) fail on the 2nd guitar. Any thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psarkissian Posted August 22, 2024 Share Posted August 22, 2024 Did you use Workbench HD to save the Alternate Tunings? If you did it using the manual method, it won't save to another guitar. If it is part of a custom patch or bundle saved in Workbench HD and is back-up on your computer, then it can be transferred using Workbench HD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon_bondy Posted August 22, 2024 Author Share Posted August 22, 2024 I was using Workbench HD, but what you wrote is imprecise. Not sure what "the manual method" means. I mentioned that I saved and restored a Bundle. Can you provide an explicit, step-by-step method for the cloning, please? Thanks! Jon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psarkissian Posted August 22, 2024 Share Posted August 22, 2024 How did you save your Alt Tunes? Alt Tunes were done in Workbench HD as part of your custom patches? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverhead Posted August 22, 2024 Share Posted August 22, 2024 The manual method is done only using the JTV, as described in the manual, not in Workbench HD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon_bondy Posted August 23, 2024 Author Share Posted August 23, 2024 All patches and tunings were generated using Workbench HD. I did a File, Save Bundle As from the 1st guitar I connected to the 2nd guitar and did a File, Open Bundle. I did a Transfer, Upload All to Variax And the tunings are not transferred. I do not see any other facilities within Workbench HD for transferring the tunings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psarkissian Posted August 23, 2024 Share Posted August 23, 2024 Tunings have to be part of the custom patch you create and name, so when you do an Upload All, everything uploads with it, including the Alt Tune strings. As far as I know, there is no way to do a Global Alt Tune. That would need a virtual Alt Tune knob for that. So, Alt Tunes are done as part of each custom patch. What is the Flash version you have in your JTV? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverhead Posted August 23, 2024 Share Posted August 23, 2024 Also, the Tuning knob on the JTV has a setting labelled Model. I believe it has to be set to that in order for the Workbench HD-created alternate tunings for the model to be recognized. So it may be that your alternate tunings per model have in fact been downloaded to your guitar from the Workbench HD bundle but are being suppressed by an incorrect setting of the Tuning knob for your purpose. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psarkissian Posted August 23, 2024 Share Posted August 23, 2024 What silverhead said. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon_bondy Posted August 25, 2024 Author Share Posted August 25, 2024 Yes! Turning the Tuning knob on the JTV to Model fixed everything. Thank you! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverhead Posted August 25, 2024 Share Posted August 25, 2024 Glad it’s sorted out! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psarkissian Posted August 26, 2024 Share Posted August 26, 2024 Very good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon_bondy Posted August 31, 2024 Author Share Posted August 31, 2024 So. Not entirely fixed, yet. If I put the Tune knob on Model for the New Variax, the Helix controls the New Variax correctly. Progress. But. The tunings controlled by the Tune knob are not the same on the Old Variax vs the New Variax. I still do not understand how to copy all of the tunings from the Old, store them on my computer, and then upload them to the New. Jon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverhead Posted August 31, 2024 Share Posted August 31, 2024 On 8/31/2024 at 4:19 PM, jon_bondy said: So. Not entirely fixed, yet. If I put the Tune knob on Model for the New Variax, the Helix controls the New Variax correctly. Progress. But. The tunings controlled by the Tune knob are not the same on the Old Variax vs the New Variax. I still do not understand how to copy all of the tunings from the Old, store them on my computer, and then upload them to the New. Jon There’s a section in the Workbench HD manual that described how to manage the Alt Tunings presets associated with the Alt Tuning knob. Perhaps that will help. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon_bondy Posted September 1, 2024 Author Share Posted September 1, 2024 Thanks. I figured it out. The UI is basically undocumented. Under Manage, the tunings on the right are stored in the Workbench program, and those on the left are in whatever guitar you have hooked up. You select one from the left (guitar) and one from the right (Workbench) and then transfer them over, one at a time. Jon 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brettwade Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 On 8/22/2024 at 12:14 PM, psarkissian said: Did you use Workbench HD to save the Alternate Tunings? If you did it using the manual method, it won't save to another guitar. If it is part of a custom patch or bundle saved in Workbench HD and is back-up on your computer, then it can be transferred using Workbench HD. Can this process be accomplished using a JTV running firmware1.71? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psarkissian Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 No,... you would have to use original Workbench. And that runs on 32 bit machines (Mac and PC), not the 64-bit versions of the newer computer OS's. To run on Workbench HD, the v1.71 would have to be update to v2.00 or beyond. Would need an older computer or a board swap to a current version Main Board. A Line 6 authorized service center can do that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brettwade Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 On 3/6/2025 at 2:01 PM, psarkissian said: No,... you would have to use original Workbench. And that runs on 32 bit machines (Mac and PC), not the 64-bit versions of the newer computer OS's. To run on Workbench HD, the v1.71 would have to be update to v2.00 or beyond. Would need an older computer or a board swap to a current version Main Board. A Line 6 authorized service center can do that. Thanks for that. I do have an 2 older computers, one running Mojave and a really old one running OS 10...so if I am to understand you properly, if I run the jtv presently using firmware 2.23... and update it using the old workbench to my other jtv's backup(rolled back to vs 1.71) , it updates both the patches and the firmware. Is that correct? I hope so cause I've been trying to roll back the firmware and can't get Monkey to work on any of the computers. Thanks man for your quick response...Brett Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brettwade Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 On 3/6/2025 at 2:01 PM, psarkissian said: No,... you would have to use original Workbench. And that runs on 32 bit machines (Mac and PC), not the 64-bit versions of the newer computer OS's. To run on Workbench HD, the v1.71 would have to be update to v2.00 or beyond. Would need an older computer or a board swap to a current version Main Board. A Line 6 authorized service center can do that. I should clarify. Can I clone a JVT rolled back to 1.71 to a JTV on firmware 2.23 and have all the patches on the jtv on 1.71 plus the 1.71 firmware overwrite the JTV on 2.23.? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brettwade Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 Can I clone a JVT which is rolled back to 1.71 to a JTV on firmware 2.23 and have all the patches on the jtv using firmware 1.71 plus the 1.71 firmware itself overwrite the JTV on 2.23.? My hope is to have 2 jtv's both running on firmware 1.71 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psarkissian Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 Reminder,... v1.71 and original Workbench will work, but v1.71 will not work with Workbench HD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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