ColonelForbin

So I can estimate roughly on my Sweetwater ETA, when did you preorder? (I put mine in late, 11/13..)

In theory, since they are full models, you could send the DT back to the Helix, run it through an IR or cab, and send that to PA too. Be an interesting A/B for what Helix sends direct, vs that through the DT tubes and a Helix cab sim.. I know, I know, I'm fixated on this idea DT back to Helix idea!! Anyhow, glad the DT sounds good, that makes for a nice pairing, have good stage sound via DT and let Helix deal with the signal to PA.

Oh, yeah I hear ya! I am still going with Sweetwater, doing their 36month financing thing, preordered on 11/13. Good to see them popping up in stock at some places that aren't just the big stores!

I think it's specific to Helix Rack? Looks like the controller for Helix Rack has an input for "exp toe switch", and the rack also has that input- but the Helix floor unit does not. Expression pedal for Line 6 Helix Rack (only) Perfect for using Helix Rack live, making effects switching easier Pedal range is optimized for Line 6 Helix Rack's expression pedal input "It has a toe switch to engage/disengage your effect of choice for ease-of-use. Just connect the output of the SP1-L6H to your Helix Rack and assign the switches to the effects you want to toggle. "

This place in Kenosha claims to have four in stock; how far is that from you? I am down here a couple hours south in the western burbs of Chicagoland! No Helix for me either; have it on preorder from Sweetwater. Cheers! https://reverb.com/item/1425096-line-6-helix-multi-effects-guitar-pedal

My Helix is on preorder! So, not yet..But, I can chime in with some info; the mic pre: it's TI-Burr Brown, and is the same mic pre that is used on the Line 6 M20d mixer.. (I have the M20d, and it does sound excellent) Here's the exact quote from L6Arnie: The pre amps in Helix and in the StageScape mixer are TI Burr Brown digitally controlled analog mic pre amps. They are actually quite expensive and very high quality. http://line6.com/support/topic/15969-helix-phantom-powered-mic-pre-any-good/?hl=burr&do=findComment&comment=117524

http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/SP1L6H Mission Engineering Inc Helix Rack Expression Pedal w/Toe Switch - Black FinishExpression Pedal and Effects Controller for Line 6 Helix Rack Guitar Amp/FX Modeler, with Toe Switch to Toggle Rocker-pedal FX - Black

Weird!... I see the order from 11/13 in my Sweetwater account, and it says charge card on 12/7 (which is today), and it shows the available balance reduced, but doesn't show the Helix charge on my balance due. It includes all my previous promotional purchases together, whether 36, 24, or 6 months, but not the Helix charge. Will keep an eye on it, see when the Helix charge actually posts. I do recall my Sweetwater guy telling me about the 36month thing meaning the payments and charge would go in prior to the unit shipping, and that's how it went when I did the PRS S2. It wasn't in stock, took a few months to arrive, payments started right away.

Thank You!!!! Now I just wait for Helix to arrive.... :)

I love my Keeley 4 knob comp,but it has never, ever played nice with my L6 modeling gear. Tried it with the X3L back in the day, and then with HD500, always had issues. As for noise when switched off, look at cables, and how you are powering the Keeley. Batteries? With it on, it listens for signals in a certain range that normally would be truncated in a typical pedalboard to guitar amp scenario. Something about the expanded frequency range of the modelers caused my Keeley comp to pick up and boost a lot of white noise and hiss, that is not evident when using my regular pedalboard. Dunno, but love that Keeley! Maybe look at some EQ after it, see if you can tame the frequency range. Also, for what it's worth, the Keeley C4 doesn't allow low frequencies past a certain point to pass through it. I tried to use it with a 5 string bass, and everything lower than the open E string was negatively impacted. I haven't snagged their new comp gear, that compressor pro looks awesome, as does the GC2 limiting amplifier https://robertkeeley.com/product/keeley-compressor-pro-namm-2015/ https://robertkeeley.com/product/gc-2-limiting-amplifier-compressor/

I was seriously contemplating the new Mesa Mark 5:35, looks super sweet!! http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/Mark535C

Cool thing about the Helix-DT combination is your ability to do a type of post amp processing, almost at the level you would expect the soundguy to do once he has the signal of a mic on amp or XLR/DI output. Run the Helix to the DT, back to Helix, and get into some really interesting soundscapes. Where your 'wet' mono amp signal is still your 'dry' signal, then what comes of the Helix becomes your wet-wet stereo signal, into FRFR monitors, speakers, recording, etc

Sweet! Good to hear, I am getting more and more pysched for my new year Helix :) Question- in the rig you set up, did you happen to monitor or record the DT XLR output? Curious as to what it sends with that configuration. Cheers!

Odd they wouldn't change your preorder price, considering they already updated their website with the $1399.99 price for the rack Helix, and $399.99 for the controller!.. Sounds like someone at MF is lying to you, how shocking?! I wouldn't buy it from anyone other than Sweetwater, personally.. Good call cancelling the preorder. http://www.musiciansfriend.com/amplifiers-effects/line-6-helix-multi-effects-guitar-rack/j23116?rNtt=Helix&index=2 http://www.musiciansfriend.com/amplifiers-effects/line-6-helix-foot-controller/j23117?rNtt=Helix&index=2

Sounds like it's working! Topology III is the loudest of them. If you are hearing volume changes with shifts in the topo selection, then you are on the right track! Thanks for doing this, whenever mine arrives I am pysched to give Helix a go with FRFR but still really want to use it with my DT25, and like you all, want to use Helix amp model, cab model and mic model, paired with that awesome Bogner portion of the DT

Helix model of "Stock #39" - the Marshall modded by Tim Caswell!!!!!!!!! Rented from S.I.R. in early 1985 by George Lynch, and then from around July to end of '85 by Slash, used on the Appetite for Destruction album. http://line6.ideascale.com/a/dtd/Helix-model-of-S-I-R-Marshall-Stock-39-modded-by-Tim-Caswell/797165-23508 http://caswellamps.studioelectronics.com/ http://caswellamps.studioelectronics.com/39Mod.html http://www.slashsworld.com/equipment/amps/the-appetite-amp-story/sweet-marshall-o-mine/

Certainly, though I am positive they prefer this outcome over the alternate, of having boatloads of inventory and reticent buyers! Long lists of preorder and high demand aren't going to turn most prospective buyers away. Think about the M20d, by comparison, I don't know if it sold as well as anticipated, and they had to drop the price by $500. Not long after other brands, Mackie, Behringer, QSC all came out with similar competitive products. The Helix stands alone, despite the delusions of Axe FX and Kemper enthusiasts... (IMHO) :)

Yeah, Helix not on the list for the new driver.. http://line6.com/support/forum-30/announcement-73-updated-new-mac-os-1011-el-capitan-driver-757-released/

Sweeeeeeeet Waaaaater! I wouldn't buy it from anywhere else.. Yeah, I held out pre-ordering, was trying to fund the Helix any which way, couldn't pull it together. And then I get this email a few weeks back from Synchrony (the bank the Sweetwater card uses) that they randomly decided to increase the credit limit, so I told my Sweetwater guy I wanted to pre-order on the 24 month option, and if they went to that 36 month could he switch it up? And he said yes. A few days later got an email from Sweetwater inviting me to the 36month promo, so bam! Put in my pre-order on Friday the 13th last month. No clue when it will arrive, just living vicariously through the forums. I love that the GearPage original thread is up to 844 pages! And the clips thread on the L6 forum is getting pretty good too; Phil Miller has some nice tasty clips up on his Soundcloud page, been digging listening to what he and others are doing with the Helix. Cheers!

Yeah, same here. I tried it a couple of times, and it didn't sound 'right' without the cab sim going to the actual DT speaker

-The DT quick start manual is pretty vague, and doesn't delve into any detail about the cab/mic used to feed the XLR out.. 12. Cabinet Simulated Direct Out – Provides a transformer-tapped direct output with cabinet simulation for studio recording or live performance without mic’ing your amplifier. The ground lift switch can be used to eliminate hum or buzz. -The more detailed Link connectivity manual doesn't add much more info: The DT amplifier’s DIRECT OUT continues to function as an analog output with L6 LINK in use. Use of this XLR output is recommended to feed your “fully baked†POD HD + DT amp tone to an external recorder, mixing console, etc. Since the audio signal fed to the DT amp via L6 LINK is a mono signal, this Direct Out is a mono signal as well. Note that the Direct Out functionality differs based on the DT amp’s LOW VOLUME MODE (see page 4•3) and STANDBY switch settings: • Low Volume Mode Off, Amp in Standby = The DT amp’s Direct Out is disabled. • Low Volume Mode On, Amp in Standby = Direct Out signal consists of the “Full†(preamp + power amp) Amp Model with no analog amp. This is a handy option for “silent recording†while still providing the tone of a cranked amp. • Low Volume Mode Off, Amp On (not in Standby) = Direct Out signal consists of the “Preamp†Amp Model with the analog amp. • Low Volume Mode On, Amp On (not in Standby) = Direct Out signal consists of the “Full†Amp Model and the analog amp.

Possibly the 1x12 cab of the actual DT cabinet/speaker? So it voices the preamp model + cab to the actual DT speaker, with no mic sim, then the XLR emulates as if you mic'd the actual DT speaker, and the mic model set in the DTEdit pairs with the 'DT cab model'?

I appreciate you 'early responders'! Tal, Radatats, Darrell - you guys ROCK! I am of course, completely jealous and mad at myself for not being able to snag a Helix sooner... But, good things come to those who wait.. :) Darn good questions about disabling the cab and mic sim that feeds the XLR out on the DT. I always thought of it as being related to the cab chosen either with the HD or the DT, but I think you guys may have a point. I seem to remember something about how the DT voices the cab chosen with the amp model to the DT speaker, but then the XLR out is as if you mic'd the 1x12 cab of the DT amp itself and may have nothing to do with the cab associated with the amp model.. And the mic sim chosen as the default on the DT is what feeds that XLR output.. Hmmmmmmmmmmmm... Major food for thought you guys!

Yes, with you on the first part- Helix FX and preamp model to DT. And I suppose, post amp model FX as well. From there, I want to work up some way to take that and send it back to the Helix, and run the DT XLR out (with no cab or mic) through a Helix cab+mic, or Helix IR, in order to generate a "direct" signal to feed a PA or FRFR speaker. I realize you can just make two paths, and use the DT as amp only, or even just mic the cab on the DT. I like the current XLR out from the DT, would just prefer to use the Helix cabs, mics, IR's, over the HD/DT cab+mic. I suppose easiest way, send the XLR out of the DT, with no cab or mic,and route it back through Helix. But since you cannot currently split out what gets sent through the L6link, you would need to use some other means to send signal to the DT. Oroborois, chasing it's tail! Presumably you can't make Helix only send the preamp through the L6link to the DT, since the options are Left, Right, or Left/Right summed. If you can tell it to do that for specific paths, or not route the post DT Helix cab+mic, then it would work. I dunno, gotta get my own Helix and try some ideas!! Until then, sheer speculation and guesswork on my part.. Cheers!

The missing link in my mind is still figuring out how to apply cab+mic AFTER the DT speaker output. That, and will future firmware updates expand the routing options of l6link as it pertains to Helix? Not sure it matters to apply a cab sim as part of the DT speaker output, though that is what you hear with an HD+DT, l6linked. I'll be waiting another month or so before my Helix gets here, have to live vicariously through ya'all!