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Like, around 10x the size of 3sigma and Ownhammer. You may have hit on the problem right there!

My tests were run using the IRs within Helix. I'm sure that if I run into the PC, any of the IR loaders I have would work, but the whole point of owning the Helix is for simple take-it-out-and-play use. Fact is, most of the computer amp sims I use sound better than the Helix (to my ears), and without near as much tweaking. Not that I don't get good sounds out of the Helix, but the learning curve is much steeper. However, the Helix goes out to jam while the computer stays home. Strangely (or not), once I start playing with the Helix in a live mix, it sounds great! When I started looking into this, I first loaded up TH3, which I hadn't used in a while. I always forget how good TH3 sounds, and how flexible it is. It's pretty, too! :) I use an FX only TH3 preset in front of S-Gear for some really nice sounds. That also allows me to use MIDI from an FCB1010-UNO pedalboard to turn things on/off. So, just to be thorough, I loaded up Native and tried the Diezel IRs. No joy. Baffling how a simple wav file works everywhere except in Helix land.

OK, very strange. I loaded the 6505 IR into a new preset with the PV Panama (seemed appropriate). Nothing. Pulled it down into a split and BANG! It won't work in a straight line, but in the bottom of a split, bingo! Then I put the Soldano IR in the top and assigned a switch to toggle them, both work. BUT....Can't tell the difference between them! AND...If you turn them both on at once, NOTHING! If you bypass both, you get the harsh sounding amp-without-cab tone. Listening to all three configurations (amp only, top on, bottom on) consecutively, it sounds more like the amp sound thru identical filters but not really cab IRs. Thinking it was my old R'n'R ears playing tricks on me, I set up a similar test with S-Gear, using the STEALER amp. Both 6505 and Soldano versions sound GREAT (thanks for turning me on to these), but VERY different! Conclusion: these IRs don't really work with Helix. I'm going to try posting in the GuitarAmpModeling forum that I got these from and see if anybody has any ideas, maybe the author? I'll get back if I hear anything.

This is where it lives online: http://www.guitarampmodeling.com/viewtopic.php?t=3373 You'll need to register first. I'll try it out after lunch.

Here's what I see in TH3's IR selection. You mentioned alternative DL sites? EDIT: Image removed to reclaim Attachment allotment

I couldn't find it in TH3 (v3.4.2 64bit). Looked in ProgramData/Overloud/TH3/IR. Is there someplace else it could be hiding? Other DL locations?

Sure seems like mostly MAC folks having problems. Maybe Native doesn't play well with MACs?

About mics - http://www.redwirez.com/bigbox.jsp

Disconnect the other interface when using the Helix via USB, and connect your speakers to the Helix. That fixed it for me.

Sounds like you may have fried your Helix.....

Yes, Native is 64bit only.

I just tested this again, only difference being that yesterday I had run Native in Live, then closed Live, disconnected, then re-ran Live with Native, worked fine. Today, I hadn't run Native, but I had rebooted. I disconnected, THEN ran Live with Native and got the Login message (after Live crashed on the first attempt). I logged in and Authorized the computer (again), and got the OK screen, Native ran fine. I closed Live, disconnected, then re-opened Live with Native. All is good again. I then closed Live, opened a new project in Sonar, and inserted Native. All is good. I then rebooted. BOTH DAWs ran Native again, even without the connection, and even after rebooting. So, it seems that you are correct, the demo version requires a connection, but if you open Native and authorize, you can disconnect and it'll still work, at least for a while? I dunno, temporary cookie with an expiration date/time? I'm about to drop coin on the license, so we'll see tomorrow if there's a problem there.

I'm not seeing this problem. Native (demo version) working fine w/o internet connection.

After playing some more (with clean presets), I had to go back up to 128. CPU now around 18%. But it wasn't just Native making noise, it was overall.

i7 HP Envy Laptop,Win10,16GB,SSD - Focusrite 18i20 latest drivers - 256/48 down to 64/48 no pops or clicks Ableton Live 9 Intro project with SGear,TH3,DPRO,EZKEYS,EZDrummer. Added Native, CPU doubled from 8% to 16% (at 126/48). Dropped to 64/48, CPU at 20% A/B with corresponding Helix Floor presets, I can't tell the difference. I've only tried a couple, but so far, so good.

Sunnyhaair - never mind, VST2 works fine in Live 9 ajaseniero - are you using the latest version of Live 9 (9.7.3)? bobruz - it's working in Sonar Platinum

Sunnyhaair - where in Preferences did you find the AU box?

We're good. Actually, I agree with you that it's much to-do about nothing. I sure can't tell the difference between loading an ir at 48/16 and loading the same ir at 96/24 and letting Helix convert . Considering what I've read and other contributions made to this discussion since it started, I believe that I can now say with absolute certainty that it is definitely better to know than not to know, even if what I now think I know is that no one REALLY knows!

Will, I've posted enough on this forum that you know I'm not a troll. As well I know that you're not one. I'm sorry if I sounded grumpy (would a smiley have made it better? :)), and I acknowledged your good intentions. So why are you attacking me? I get that you're not interested in the answer to the question, but I am, as is (I assume) the OP. Why not just step out and let someone who knows answer the question?

Thanks for telling us how to think, but we already know that you don't know. How would you know that there's something to know that isn't worth knowing?

aleclee - just re-read your reply - sounds pretty close to definitive. Can anybody confirm?

The question may be academic, but that doesn't mean it's irrelevant. OP asked for an "insider" - I read "definitive" - answer. Three people responded "I don't know, but here's my opinion". I know you mean well, but some people just want to KNOW! Does anybody KNOW?

I realize that this thread is a bit old, but I'm felling a bit dense on this subject, and need the simple definitive answer. I'm using a G10 wireless exclusively these days. My understanding is that the G10 loads the pickups at 1M, therefore it's OK to leave the default Helix setting at AUTO, as nothing else matters beyond that first device (the G10). Yes or no?

I think you're misunderstanding the difference between PC, CC and CHANNEL. You set Ableton to SEND a PC# over the MIDI CHANNEL that the Helix is set to RECEIVE on (MIDI BASE CHANNEL). You send the PC# from Ableton that corresponds to the Helix Preset that you want to load. CC# 32 is used to select the SETLIST that contains your desired Preset. The directions in the manual are a bit confusing on this issue (page 57). In the example, you send CC#32 with a VALUE of 007. Ableton would need to send: CC#32 value 007 loads setlist PC#005 loads preset CC#69 value 000 loads snapshot I haven't done this from a DAW, but when I tried it from my FCB1010 it didn't work, probably because the Helix required a pause between messages that the FCB couldn't be configured for. Ableton may allow for that, or the default time between messages might be sufficient. That is the extent of my knowledge on the subject. If someone knows more, I'd be pleased to know!

bobruz - NICE FIND! Lots of good stuff there!