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Maybe I should cancel my Musician's Friend order. No money has been given to Musician's Friend so it would be a simple cancel. Line 6 needs to learn. Cancelled orders don't look good. I can't see Line 6 wanting to invest any more time and effort into a product that they no longer support, anyway. I am just wondering why they even pushed it except to get existing Variax users to buy the Stadium.

Make sure that your computer is authorized using Line 6 Central. Your computer should show up in the interface and you will be required to log in there, if you have not done so already. Also, the registration is a little odd as it defaults to the FREE Limited version. But it sounds like a registration server issue. I hope that you at least tried it twice and on different days and times of the day just in case it was a Line 6 web site issue. Otherwise, it should be straight forward, otherwise you may need to to open up a Support Ticket. You can click on the "?" question mark in the top right corner of the Helix Native UI dialog, Click on Support, which should take you to the Line 6 Support page (https://line6.com/support/), and be sure to see if anyone else has had a similar problem by searching the support site, otherwise, there is a Support Icon in the middle of the page somewhere on the Support page, which should take you to the Line 6 Support Tickets page (https://line6.com/support/tickets/), Scroll down to the tag with the wrench on it and under it says "Support Ticket", then there is a link under support ticket in the text "support ticket" that you can open to open a Support Ticket. Hey, I didn't design their web site.

I actually said that which is true - as of now. But to your point. Line 6 has had a long history of eventually coming through with most things that they plan for - like the touch interface. And they reluctantly included profiling in the Stadium. There was just no clean transition from the Helix to the Stadium for Line 6 users such as you and me. Since my Helix Floor died in an update Failure (still unresolved but I am working with Line 6 Support even though the Unit is 9 years old and it could just be failing at this point) I have no Variax interface now. I have good batteries but I used to use the guitar model for tone matching within the snapshots with no audible gap - something NO OTHER UNIT ON THE MARKET BACK THEN, OR TODAY, CAN DO. Too bad the Stadium can't do it right now. Arrgh. That is what I was using Helix Native (on the 15 day trial) for to see the models affect the Stadium Presets. The old Helix doesn't translate well for me. I think that the processing clarity in the Stadium is so good, and so clear, that I now hear artifacts such as distortion in Presets that were clean in the Helix. I also hear more... treble, bass, metallic sound of the strings, etc. that I never noticed n the Helix when every block is identical between the Helix and the Stadium. So I find that I tend to recreate or at least tweak the same Presets in Stadium to make it sound like it should. Maybe the trim can help with this but the Variax is not known for hot pickups in the models.

Actually, I got it to work. It must have something to do with windows and file reservation or other weirdness. I had just imported the IR and was wanting to use it. It acted like many of the Stadium Edit Bugs early on. You couldn't always reproduce them and at other times they would not go away until you did something else seemingly unrelated. It works, I guess. I still find the File management to be horrible for my workflow. But I will live with it if it is working for most other folks here.

Yes. Line 6 supporting it via the Variax CAT-6 interface in the D10 was a selling point for me and others. Of course, there are currently no Expand D-10's that have shipped, demoed, show, and Line 6 is now no longer talking about it at all. Because they did sell it as a future feature at Stadium launch, didn't they? I don't remember them going into any detail on Stadium NATIVE last year. Also, I no longer recommend the Variax to anyone since new ones are pretty much all relegated to distributors (if they have any left). And this includes the Shuriken. And I have only heard that Variax components are scarce to extinct, making it an unmaintainable guitar. I may be wrong on this but makes sense since, as VGK17 points out, the Variax was discontinued about three years ago. Of course, I still have my Variax Original (renamed as the Variax 500 when Line 6 introduced the Variax 700) that I purchased in 2010. One of the piezos is giving out on that one. I bought the first Red Variax to hit Skip's music in Sacramento that December (I think - memory isn't what it used to be). By the way Silverhead. I appreciate your input. I know that you have been an active member of this community since way back when Line 6 created these forums. I remember when you and a few others still on these forums where defending the Variax as being a great guitar. At least, I think that was you.

So I think that I may have the first Helix to fail in this manner. I don't know as I am working with Line 6 to resolve this via support ticket. But... I have tried all of these things and the Line 6 Updater tools will not even see my Helix, whether I start it normally, or hold Footswitches #6 and #12 simultaneously until "Entered update mode" shows on the screen for at least a couple of seconds. I don't have bit locker as I am using Windows 11 Home and bitlocker is only on Windows Pro, Enterprise or Education version. I have also disabled memory integrity, local security authority protection, and Microsoft vulnerable driver blocklist. I have attempted removing with Windows KB5101650 and pausing updates, I have tried different USB cables, verified and tried different USB Composite ports on the back of my Computer (avoiding the USB Hub on top of the PC), and a laptop that has never had any Line 6 software installed on it except for the Line 6 Updater tool which I used to try and revive my dead Helix Floor. The Helix unit is about 9 years old and I have never had a problem before until now. I was trying to figure out why the Helix Floor was no longer sending MIDI CC pedal commands to Reaper DAW or MIDI-OX. This was a last ditch attempt to correct that minor problem b re-installing the latest Firmware, in case it was a Firmware corruption, when the update failed and now nothing has revived my old Helix. (playing Taps now, I guess). So Sad.

My Helix Floor stopped sending MIDI (This was confirmed by MIDI-OX - Only get it from SourceForge by the way and NOT MIDI-OX.com). So I exhausted all other possibilities that I could think of and resorted to re-installing the Firmware thinking perhaps it may be a Firmware corruption as it was oddly specific. The Firmware update failed and now the Helix Floor is bricked and is history. I have opened a Support ticket but I have exhausted everything I think that they will ask me to do. Though I suppose that I will have to do it all again anyway. I am willing to send the Unit to a Line 6 repair shop (Do those still exist? - I hope so since I also have a Stadium - and it's MIDI works just fine). But the only way I can use Variax Models within a Song Preset is Expand D10. I know that this is not Line 6's problem. But it sort of is since I purchased the Variax and the Helix for this proposed functionality that (as of now) no longer exists.

On Day 2 of the 15 Day Fully Functional Trial. A little confusing but I like the way Line 6 is offering a Limited Edition Free version (hoping it does not end) and a FULLY functional 15 day trial. It was only a little confusing getting the trial to Activate. Line 6 must be BUZZEE squashing bugs and trying to get promised features out. Personally, I got to admit that I really wished that Line 6 had gotten the EXPAND D-10 hardware out which was promised with the Launch of Stadium BEFORE the Stadium Native that was not even mentioned at launch... Anyways, I like that fact that I can have a split CAB block in Helix Native and have a 2x12 Match H30 as one cabinet, and an IR as the other cabinet. EXCEPT THAT I HAVE NOT GOTTEN IT TO WORK YET! I put the .wav file in the physical folder and it shows right up in Stadium Native. But ya can't do anything with it. The IR Cab shows as empty and I haven't figured out the Yamaha Incantation to get it there. Is this a(nother) feature (bug)? The first one I have found in Stadium Native if it is. I am glad that I have not paid anything for this yet! I probably will - but am a little more hesitant these days with Line 6.

It looks to me like the ON/OFF and DELETE virtual buttons above the Helix blocks look like they are a about 5 pixels big. Did this change? Are my eyes just getting old? Also, it appears that Line 6 changed the editing behavior to require that you now hold SHIFT in order to use the mouse wheel for micro changes in a block parameter. Firstly, I wish that this was not just plain simply changed on us with little documentation of the change (I haven't found it anywhere yet - at least it is NOT obvious as fundamental editing behavior probably SHOULD be), but a simple mouse click STILL changes the parameter setting. I get using the SHIFT key to eliminate inadvertent mouse wheel changes but then to keep allowing left mouse button clicks to go ahead and inadvertently change the parameter seems a little inconsistent and NOT helpful. I really wish that Line 6 would not change the behavior that has been successful for over ten years and instead make these changes as new optional features that can be turned on and off depending on user preferences. I am continuing to be convinced that Line 6 does not know what user preferences are. Does anyone have a preference for not being given a preference? Will this improve instead of degrade? P.S. ALSO, CTRL-Z (typically undo last action in Microsoft Windows) instead defaults to the default for the parameter. So that behavior is not helpful either. P.S. P.S. ALSO, SHIFT-Left Mouse button Switches between Enabling and Disabling the Snapshot control of the block parameter! (Which could make you lose you snapshot settings for that parameter for all snapshots if you happen to inadvertently hit the Left Mouse button while still holding the SHIFT key) So be careful what your hands are doing. - Still awaiting the Expand D-10.

Too often I have been unsatisfied with dialing in the exact tone in my head on my Helix, and then decided to play around with different guitar models on my JTV 69-S and been VERY happy with the result once I find the right guitar model/volume/tone/pickup position. I guess I could just buy real versions of all of those Variax Models (But that was the whole point as I remember. Except that I just saw a parts guitar with a Jazzmaster body and three P-90 pickups that I would like to create a model of in Workbench. Unfortunately, I have to jump through ridiculous hoops and compromise the security of my computer just to get Workbench to run and then it will not work with HX Edit anymore. It's not really Line 6's fault for dropping the Variax. But they were the ONLY ones to do a modelling guitar right. Too many of us Variax users are addicted to the convenience of changing presets or even snapshots and changing guitars and/or tunings with NO audible GAP. I STILL BLAME Line 6 and eps. Yama(HAHAHAHAHAHA).

Hmmm, sounds like a challenge and one that I would routinely do for all sorts of changes in a preset/snapshots. In the Helix. I would set up the same Preset but with a different name. It used to not matter as I could do it at any time anywhere with Helix. But now with Stadium, you can only do it in the master set list (USER or whatever you want to call it that is NOT a Folder). The you need to make a new version (used to be called a copy) of a preset (Don't worry because Stadium will append something to the name because it gets confused over Presets with the same name. And then make changes to the COPY of the Preset. You can't really do an A/B comparison easily. But it is a lot easier (and you are not likely to lose your changes) using this method. You just have to decide which version of the preset you like better and if you want to keep the old version as a reference or for other changes. On a side note: I have only tried the DEMO of Stadium Native, but I saw a little A==>B button that looked like it might be a A/B comparison like some DAW plug-ins have. This would be very cool and very useful. But I wonder how Stadium Native will use the same file for a specific Preset name like Stadium does. Sorry, I still can't get used to that as it disrupts my workflow. I will adapt, like I have so far in editing Stadium presets.

It means that the specific cabinet selected reacts differently to how hard the Amp is pushed and various other Amp settings. This ALSO can give the feel that the same Amp settings (e.g. Gain, Sag, and HYPE) can feel different with the same Amp settings. And I have found that, sometimes, the Amp settings need to change if I am using a different Cabinet Model. This is a subtle, but unique feature of the Line 6 Helix modelling technology. Agoura brings this to a whole new level (though, it is not overwhelmingly so - as should be expected as you do not want to intentionally change the character of the accuracy of the Amp modelling - Like Hype does).

They USUALLY are updated together, but minor version one off's like this are not unusual.

Just me but... It looks like they don't care as long as you own Helix Native. But you should be paying for Helix Native first and then paying $99.00 for Stadium Native on top of that. Otherwise, Line 6 is misleading buyers in their sales literature. But this is how I read it. Oh, AND ALSO, be sure that you are logged in to the Line 6 web site and it will show you what you can upgrade to autoMAGICally.

LOVE the DEMO. No problems so far, but I only have the demo. Also, the DEMO is confusing, it sounded to me like there is a 15 day fully functional trial. BUT, the fully functional trial is limited (5 Amps/Cabs, An EQ, An Compressor, etc, etc, etc.). I think Line 6 would have wet more appetites IF they had released a fully free limited version and a FULLY Functional 15 Day limited time version. Just my opinion tho. Can't say that Line 6 listens to their customers these days too well. Ooops, I should have said YAMAHAHAHAHA. Looking to buy Stadium NATIVE, but am a little more cautious these days (since I am STILL awaiting EXPAND D-10 (HAHAHAHAHA).

Yes, it does work as you described by appending a number to the end of the name. So if I have "Song 1" and copy it then it appends "(1)" to the end of the name so that I now also have "Song 1 (1)". This is how this works on the Helix Stadium Device once you figure it out (That is ANOTHER topic on this forum). But, you do realize that this only applies to the "USER" Song Library in the Helix Stadium Editor. If you copy "Song 1" in user set list "Set List 1" then you get a SECOND "Song 1" that is ALSO named "Song 1" and is the same "Song 1" as "Song 1". I am on the latest version of the firmware 1.3.2 of the Helix Stadium XL Floor and the Stadium Editor. This is one of many various discrepancies between the Floor Unit and the Editor. But it is getting better. DSP is another issue and Presets can get corrupted between the two editors as well. These are known bugs. I could not tell you any issue numbers though.

You did misunderstand me. Perhaps I was not clear. With Saving another version of a Preset then I can always save different states of that preset for reference. I can do that with the Stadium too. I just have to introduce the idea of version numbers. Versioning is a MUCH better way of developing a preset. It must come from my software background. But the way it was implemented in the Stadium - I have to be much more careful about it and preset management gets to be a real chore. It doesn't save me anything but causes more work for me. Well, that is my work flow. Maybe the Stadium was a bad purchase choice. I just never got that feeling with the Helix.

Oh, and don't forget that if you are running in Windows 11, Core Protection (in Settings => Windows Security => Memory Integrity) must NOT be turned on (a restart is required), AND Unsigned Drivers ("original name: L6SM.sys" and "published name: oem26.inf") must be allowed to load (Local Security Authority Protection must be turned off) in order for Workbench HD to properly load and recognize the Variax via the Variax USB cable. And I can't even get it to work via the Helix VDI Cable anymore. This will probably need to be addressed since Line 6 has ALREADY sold many of the EXPAND D10 Interfaces. Still waiting... All they have said is that it would provide a VDI Interface for the Variax. They have not specified which Variax Line they will support through the EXPAND D10 Interface. And they are not supporting the Variax Workbench since it was intended for the Variax guitar and not the VDI Interface.

Thanks Paul. I will be sure to do that as it was driving me crazy (not the first thing on this unit that has driven me crazy either). But I, personally, do not feel like updating all presets with the same name at the same time saves me from anything except managing the history of that particular preset. But then I lose other changes that I may have made. ANOTHER thing is that I can make changes to a Preset and then click on another Preset, for reference, and if I did not save those (incomplete) changes then I lose those most recent changes as well. It's like I am using Microsoft Word v2.0 on Windows 3.1 in 2026!

You are probably already aware but... here goes anyway. Church Electric Guitar often is very saturated in Delays and Reverbs. These can cause clipping badly in the Stadium Unit and yet still make the guitar tone not seem very full. I assume that you are A/B testing with only the Amp and Cab blocks at home and at your church. This behavior is what you are describing - though there could be other issues. I just never assume that the product is bad until I have eliminated all other options.

When I use a set list for a gig, but I tweak something in preparation for the gig in the Stadium Editor, it causes the Stadium to always use the USER Set List (or Master Set List or ALL Presets setlist - whatever it is supposed to be called). I then have to go into the Stadium itself and select the Set List that I was using because the Stadium editor changed the preset that I tweaked and therefore switched to the USER Set list. This is a very annoying behavior since the USER Set List is the Master Set List which can get very big over time (unless you employ a separate maintenance strategy requiring you to keep the USEER Set List (Master Set List or whatever) organized (which is quite the chore in itself). I think that Line 6's approach of using pointers for every Preset was a pretty BAD IDEA. It is something that I have used in Windows (various versions over the decades) very sparingly and for specific purposes. I think that it causes more headaches than it solves and this may just be another example of that. Am I misunderstanding how presets work on the Stadium and perhaps there is a better way. Let me know what works best for you or if you find it just as frustrating.

Since the hardware for the James Tyler Variax is no longer made as far as I know, you could end up with a regular guitar with extra knobs that don't do anything at this point in Line 6's guitar ecosystem.

I was finally able to use the Variax USB Interface cable to connect to Line 6 Monkey AND to Line 6 Central AFTER I... 1. Disabled Windows 11 Core Isolation Memory Integrity protection. And this has to STAY OFF until you forcefully use Powershell commands to rip out the L6SM64.sys located in C:\Windows\system32\drivers and run a Powershell command to remove this file since it can not be simply deleted. 2. Re-Enable Local Security Authority Protection that will prevent unsigned drivers from loading into the Local Security Authority. I am not sure about bit-locker as I do not have that enabled on my local computer. I am sure that the local hackers LOVE this kind of information too! Also, I can not use HX Edit at the same time as Workbench HD like I used to either. I am still not sure if this is related to the drivers required for Stadium and the Stadium Editor as they have their own ASIO and Line 6 drivers. Yamahahahaha leaves a bad taste in my hardware. I "used" to endorse the Revstar.

Also, the Stadium allows you to create multiple parallel paths using Splits and Joins. Every split can create a slight increase in dB output because of the parallel paths. This is obviously true when using parallel Amp Model presets. Unfortunately, Line 6 Stadium STILL exacerbates this problem by automagically setting the Join at an additional +3 dB, which alone is noticeable. I usually set all joins either at -1.5 dB for parallel splits such as dual parallel delays or parallel delay and reverb and I set the join at 0 dB for parallel Amp joins. But the bottom line is that if you happen to have 4 different joins in your presets (as of Stadium firmware v3) then you can automagically have +12dB added to your signal chain without you doing anything else. Additional effects or Amp blocks can make this even higher.

Interesting. My Variax guitars, HX Edit, Workbench HD, and Monkey were all working fine until I installed the latest Stadium Driver. Now, Line 6 Monkey and Workbench HD do not find any Line 6 software. I disabled the Core isolation and that DID NOT fix my problem. So I manually removed the offending L6 driver and NOTHING has changed. Opened a Line 6 ticket but have been told on the forums that "like the banner says" LIne 6 Monkey is "RETIRED" as of April 10, 2026. THAT might be my problem. Has anyone tried their Line 6 Monkey since April 10th? I have 3 Variax Guitars (Variax 500 - original before there was a 500 numbered Variax, and 2 JTV-69S's) and a Variax Bass Guitar (5 string model). I have been using them very effectively as I can dial in the tone that I need by simply changing the Variax Model within the Helix Preset by the snapshot I use. Something that the Stadium simply CAN'T do. Not until they release the "fabled" D10. And I am not sure even then - we will see.