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yeah it's very audible distortion at my +5 level on Master out when Rivet is at level +10

As suggested I went back and used the direct Stomp XL USB interface into Reaper. The results were the same. With my Jazz Rivet 120 at level +10 and Master out at 0, everything is clean. At +5 Master out level I get clipping in my daw and at +2dB I do not and of course at 0dB I do not. Also, the light on the output stayed green the whole time and never went red....disappointing. I hope it helps. This gives me a very solid level to know when I'll clip the output of the Stomp XL.

I have been using the RME9652 and Digimax for over 10 years and am very comfortable at setting levels. In fact the clipping on it corresponds exactly with the 0dB meter on my Reaper tracks. The Digimax will even flash red before I can even hear any clipping. I don't use the USB because it doesn't work with the RME9652. With just the Jazz Rivet 120 I have the level at +10 and still have headroom before clipping so that sets a great reference for me. I also have Input set to Instrument so that gives me more headroom on the input stage. When I add another 5dB I get clipping whether it's from a Volume block or the Output level. ATM this is doing exactly what I need and providing me a reference for the output of the Stomp XL. If it had an output meter like a mixer or if the output green light would turn red like it is supposed to I would easily be able to tell if it was clipping visually. The reason the output volume is relevant is it lets me have a reference for the output stage as to what level it begins clipping and there is no longer any headroom. I'm sure there are other ways but since the green light on the Main out isn't going red for me when I hear audible clipping this is what I came up with. So ....everything is working great here and I just shared this in hopes other could benefit from it. Rock on !!!

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I read the Gain Staging section of the The Big Book of Helix Tips and Tricks but it didn't get me where I wanted to be. My Stomp XL is set Globals / Input Gain / Instrument (intentionally for more headroom) and the presets have Global Guitar Pad set to Global. From there I needed to find a way to indicate where output clipping is since there is not a meter. I thought I could use the Green/Red output light on the Stomp XL display but I found that I can push the outputs into clipping and the output clipping indicator is still green (BUG ?). Using my ears I loaded the clean Jazz Rivet 120 and just strummed a D chord hard on the guitar and started pushing the output level of it and the Main L/R output until I clearly heard clipping of my clean hard strums. I found that it didn't matter if I pushed up the Rivet amp level or the Main L/R levels, the dB increases have the same effect as expected. I'm running the outputs into a Digimax FS and into an RME9652 into Reaper on a new Tuf Gaming X670E Plus Wifi with a 7950x cpu and 64gb ram woot..... After finding the clipping point and adjusting levels down about 5dB to give some headroom I was able to adjust my Digimax input levels to provide -6dB on my meters in Reaper on the hard strums. If I keep this level coming out of the Stomp XL then I will have enough headroom to avoid clipping. Just wanted to share because you can never get the sound you want if you have unintended clipping. So I saved this as a preset in case I need to get back to checking these levels again. I hope it helps.

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I'll go read the gain staging sections right now. Thanks !!!

This is great information. I was using just an amp cablock like a jazz 120 rivet or a ventoux but I was pushing the level up quite a bit. I think you're right that I need to make sure that I don't have clipping up to about 10DB so I have some room for adjustment down the road.. Also I was using my ears and it was clearly audible. Great stuff and very appreciated thanks. The stomp xl is freaking unreal. The sounds I'm getting out of this thing are absolutely incredible

Thank you for the detailed explanation. That's very helpful

So what is the point of having an output that clips the d/a converter. I would have expected the design to have +20DB still have 0 clipping . This is very unusual design. In what circumstance would anybody push that into a clipping range

As an electrical engineer, i test everything so you don't have to.

Version 3.15 and this is with a new preset with only an amp cab. It was at +20 because I put it there to test it. It just seems to be a bug.

My signal is NOT clipping the output at 0dB. As one turns the OUTPUT of the final stage of a device up it should not begin clipping. Clipping is distortion btw.

Yup, that's what I did. I went back to just the Jazz Rivet 120 & Ventoux with very low drives on them and I still got the distortion with no other fx and the input pad on. I finally narrowed it down to the Output block and had to go to 0dB until the distortion went away. Even +5dB had distortion. It definitely SHOULD NOT be distorting though and I consider this a bug.

I had my output in stomp xl set to +20 and with the cleanest amps it was still very distorted on strums. I pull it back to 0 and now the distortion is gone. I'm running into a Digimax FS and have no clipping going in and even pulled it way back to make sure it was not the Digimax FS. I found 0 is the right level for true clean. Even +5 on the output has distortion in my unit. Took me trying lots of amps to realize it was something else. Anyways, I hope it helps someone else and I hope Line6 looks into why the outputs have distortion.

I did a fresh install of windows 11

I got it fixed after deauthorizing at Line6. Oddly they have 3 entries for my 1 computer and after ReAuthorizing they show 2 computers. Hopefully we can get it fixed next week. They also show windows 8 and 10 for my entries when I'm on a fresh 11 install. Native 3.15

Still no good.....uninstalled, deleted dirs, rebooted, reinstalled, same error. License manager says I'm authorized and I can login in the helix native plugin. DELETED Below are the files you will need to delete in order to get your Native back up and running. -- not installed, ignore this one C:\Program Files\Common Files\Avid\Audio\Plug-Ins\Line 6\Helix Native.aaxplugin C:\Program Files\Common Files\VST3 C:\Program Files\Common Files\VST3\Line 6\Helix Native.vst3 Resources This folder contains all the stuff that makes Helix Native work . You"ll see a data and res folder; just delete the Helix Native folder for a clean slate. C:\ProgramData\Line 6\Helix Native *Note: the ProgramData folder is hidden by default. To access this folder via the Windows Explorer, set your folder options to show hidden files and folders. User Data This folder contains the user data for Helix Native. This includes the Preset and Impulse Response libraries, local license file (Purchases.dat), user preferences (Helix Native.prefs), and various logs. Please delete these files and run a reinstallation of Helix Native 3.XX. C:\Users\myuser\AppData\Roaming\Line 6

Can anyone help me use my Helix Native. It won't open. I have the license manage saying Authorized Yes to my computer and I'm logged in in the plugin. I also tried to submit a ticket but there is no HELIX NATIVE in the list. Deauthorizing and Reauthorize my computer didn't help either. grrrrrrrrrr

It's very relevant because the is really like half a helix with it's 8 blocks. Everything else is 95% the same so an amp in one for example has the same features across all boxes.

On my stomp xl I set my vol pedal min max to -10 and 0 in the controller for the output and use the tap tempo to mute.

Thanks,. I save them in snapshot mode currently using hx edit but the stomp xl still boots to preset mode.