PaulTBaker

Nice, I can see how that would work. Thank you for the response. I have been reading your posts and appreciate the videos! Thanks for all the info! That goes for all who post on here. It's a nice community (when we read the manual! HAHAHA)

Interesting topic. I too have been with Line6 since the bean days (will not even guess at the dates:)). I now have the Stadium XL. I do like a lot of the features and sounds it has, however there are some quirks. I notice sometimes the volume on presets change depending on when you select the preset. Line 6 guys traced it down to the Ampeg B15 cab which is what I always used with the OG Helix. The other amps sounded to prickly (and yes I did the high cuts) on high gain stuff. The B15 smoothed those out. The XL's cabs seem better (to me) though I still find myself liking the dirty to high gain sounds better when adding the B15 to the cabs. I was listening to some recordings or our band back when I used the HD500X going into either the DT25 or the return loop of a Peavy Classic 20 (or 50, can't remember). I was blown away with that sound! I definitely do not have that sound with my current setup. Yes, the current setup is either coming through the board, then monitors; or going through the PC112+ or PC212+ cabs. It is good, just wish I could get that HD sound for the dirty to high gain. That was a long winded way of saying, that while I love the Stadium (and Helix)... there is a lot to be said on what you could get with the HD setup. Especially for a Santana vibe.

I really don't use snapshots (well sometimes), mainly like it in Stomp mode. When I first got the floor, I really didn't like how many steps it took to get to the spot to change presets, (I'm sure I missed something) so what I have started doing is in the Stomp B (set?), I used the Command Center to add a next and previous preset to two footswitches. That lets me change presets by just switching from Stomp A to Stomp B and this has really helped. I use the "kitchen sink" approach, where I have multiple sounds based on an Amp (or two). I do this for the different type of amp styles to give me slight variations in what I can use. I never change a preset in a song. I have not needed to because on most all amps you can go from clean to nasty in one preset. You may need two amps, but that is doable in my experience. Just some background, I have been a gigging musician for several decades (yes, old one here :)) playing clubs to festivals (not a lot, but enough to say I've done it :)). I appreciate the preset per song people and can see its value, however, I found that most of our songs will fit into a few "kitchen sinks" so I use that method. A question for the preset per song people. Do you find that you are starting with the same template (or preset) for most of you songs and tweaking from there?

yes, I believe you have to treat it like an amp and plug it into the Effects Return. You will probably have to use midi to change the "stuff" on the DT25 from the Helix Stadium. side note, I have two DT25's that I absolutely loved! In my case though, the were very fragil (tubes, fuses, etc).... and now they are both bricked when I was trying to update the DT25's to version 2, so they would work with the OG helix. Very Sad! The worst part is there are no places to get these repaired within several hundred miles of me!

I like the way that when you update a preset, it updates that preset in all set lists (since it is a pointer)... Would like to see that as an option for the blocks as well. If you are making edits through the HxEdit Stadium software, after you hit save, reselect the preset in the setlist (which is still on the left) and it pulls in the setlist on the device. So I hit save, then double click the preset on the left (in the setlist) and the floor device has the current set list available.

sounds like a useful tool (if this is really a thing and not something trying to steal my bank account! (which is not much, haha) don't mean to offend, just my cynical side coming through) :) Seems it would be useful if you could use it in real time, without having to record pieces, so you could make the adjustments live. Is that doable? Thanks again for sharing!

does the above make sense? Not really sure how to state what I am looking for. There doesn't seem to be an easy way to use the mode A and B for stomp mode and then be able to change a preset and then go back to mode A and B in stomp mode. To change a preset, I have to long hold the mode button (FS6), then select either presets (or combo, if the preset list in added to the combo top or bottom). I then press to select the preset I want, then I have to press the mode button (FS6) for it to go back to stomp A and stomp B mode. I understand and love the flexibility of the unit, I'm just hoping there is way to cut out the last FS6 press to get to the stomp modes after the preset is select. hope someone has a workaround. (I know I could use the command window to add a preset up or down in the stomp B mode, but that takes away 2 options for something else). thanks.

Is it possible to start a new preset in Stomp mode. I want to be able to select a new preset, and have it go to stomp mode. it looks like the "Preset Mode Return" option is only available if you have either Stomp A or Stomp B set to Presets. I like have mode 1 going to Stomp A and mode 2 going to stomp B. I like having that many FS controls.... however, as far as I can tell, the only way to have a new preset start automatically in stomp mode is to have either mode 1 or mode 2 going to Presets. If you do that, then you can't get to one of the Stomps (A or B).... For example, if I have mode 1 set to Stomp A and mode 2 set to Presets, then clicking a new preset while in mode 2 will take me to Stomp A... which is great. The bad part is, with this setup, I don't see a way to get to Stomp B. I hope I'm missing something (which is usually the case ;).... Can anyone help? Thanks.

I may be missing something, but I believe the OP is linking the blocks, not the full preset..... so if you have a Master Favorite Slap Delay in multiple presets, then you find out that the slap works better with a quicker setting, then you change the Master Favorite Slap Delay. Since the presets are all linked to the this Master Favorite Slap Delay, then the changes would be there..... at least I think that is what the OP means...

Ok, for all of you readers that were sitting on the edge of your seat to see why this was happening, well, here is what Line6 found out. The bump in volume which happens after selecting the same preset again had something to do with the Ampeg B-15 Cab I was using. They switched the cab and the volume bump went away. I confirmed this also worked for me. Josh (Line6 guy) said he would send this to the developers.

I'm posting this so I will have a record of what I have done... and in case anyone out there really wants a headache :) I created a ticket, so we will see what they say. Ok, so I have some basic template that I made from scratch on the stadium unit. i created 2 presets from this template. One with a Dbl Blk amp and the other with a Lux Blk amp. I get the same behavior. The Dbl Blk amp preset is louder if you select it again after selecting it the first time. It will get softer after you select the Lux Blk preset. Ok, so I created two presets with just an amp and cab. One had the Dbl Blk and one had the Lux Blk. This time selecting the Dbl Blk preset twice did NOT increase the volume (which had happened in ALL other cases). So mmm? However, when I selected the preset based on my template that had a Dbl Blk after I selected just the amp/cab preset, that preset was louder. ALSO, when I went back to the amp/cab Dbl Blk preset, THAT PRESET WAS LOUDER... it is just the amp and cab! This is very weird.

Thanks for the replies. 1. Yes the 4a, etc were the presets. It made it easier to read. 2. I will check the files I uploaded. As I posted, I have been having issues trying to export files (the problem is probably between the keyboard and the chair :) ). Lux Blk 3Snps .hsp I found out that if I try to select multiple presets from a setlist, and drag or export to a folder in Finder, then it exports a very small file for each preset. My guess is that since the user setlists contain links to the actual preset in the USER set list, then it is the link that is getting exported. I have uploaded the correct Lux Blk preset. 3. I do have the min/max values set on the wah's, however that should not come into play because simply selecting the preset causes the change in volume. I am not engaging any stomps... The same preset is at different levels depending on what combination of presets were selected before it. In the case of the Dbl Blk 3snps preset, you can select once and it may be low volume, then re-select, and it is at a higher volume. 4. you are correct about the looper. the presets are saved to start on snapshot 1. The deluxe looper is grayed out in 1a "Dbl Blk 3Snps" and 1b "Lux Blk 3Snps", so they are set the same. This is the scenario: 1. I select preset 1b, the LUFS is 18. I do this to make 1a be 18 when I select it. 2. I select 1a, the LUFS is 18 3. I select 1a AGAIN, the LUFS jumps to 14 and ANY other preset that uses the Dbl Blk amp will stay boosted, until I select a preset with a different amp. Thank again for letting me share my pain! I am going to make a ticket for this. dbl blk 3snps (1).hsp

ok, I created a new preset entirely on the Helix Stadium XL(unit) using the Dbl Blk amp. Using the YouLean Loudness meter on my Mac (Catalina v 10.15.7), the reading of my new Dbl Blk preset was around 18 LUFS (short term) with steady strumming. I click on other presets (not Dbl Blk and a combo of made on the unit or brought over, its all the same results) and the volume on those patches are around 18 which is how they were created. I then click on the xDbl Blk Opto preset and it is 18. I click back on the new dbl blk preset and the LUFS is still around 18. I can select any of the other presets and get the correct results. this may make it easier to read. all presets were created to have an LUFS around 18: 4a = Dbl Blk test (created only on unit, has 2 snapshots) 1a = Dbl Blk 3snaps (created using app and unit, has 3 snapshots) 2a = Dbl Blk Opto (created using app and unit, has no snapshots) 1b = Lux Blk 3snaps (created using app and unit, has 3 snapshots) 1d = Plexi 3snaps (created using app and unit, has 3 snapshots) restarted the unit, rebooted the mac, unit is NOT connected to mac by wifi, unit IS connected to map by USB so I can use the YouLean meter. - select 4a, get LUFS 18 - select 1b, get LUFS 18 - select 1a, get LUFS 18 - select 4a, get LUFS 18 --- normal levels up here - select 1a, get LUFS 12 to 14 -- elevated levels after I select any Dbl Blk preset after a previous Dbl Blk preset - select 4a, get LUFS 12 to 14 - select 1b, get LUFS 14 to 15 - select 4a, get LUFS 18 --- gets back to normal since the previous selection was not a consecutive Dbl Blk - select 1b, get LUFS 18 So, clear as mud? :) I do not believe the creation location of the preset matters (unit or app). My tests indicate that after you select after you have select 2 Dbl Blk presets, the next preset will be louder. this will continue if you keep selecting a Dbl Blk preset. This behavior will go back to normal, you select 2 consecutive NON-Dbl BLk presets (the first Non-Dbl BLk will be loud, but the next preset (dbl blk or not) will be back to normal levels. please someone with time to burn try this. you can use my presets or create two dbl blk presets and some other non dbl blk and test it. Also, is there a place where I can post this to Line 6 as a bug? I know they do not monitor this forum. Thanks. PS. now it seems like the loudness could be more random... switching between presets will give my different results for the same preset.... sometimes you can just re-select the same preset and it will get louder...... you can hear it get louder and fuller or thin and soft.

Thank you for the reply. Good questions: On Mac, created in the app with back and forth editing between the app and the unit.... on version 1.2.1 app and unit. I found out last night that the files exported from the app were corrupt. Found out that dragging the file to finder from the app does not work. Right clicking on the preset and selecting export does NOT work. The only thing that does work is the Export Preset under the File menu. the files are attached here. I did some more testing and have found that it seems to be just the Dbl Blck amp. I took a preset that worked fine (meaning it is always the same volume whenever I click on it) and replaced the amp with the Dbl Blk amp and now I get the different volume issue again. I will try creating a new Dbl Blk preset without the app and see what happens. this is really crazy! Thanks dbl blk 3snps (1).hsp lux blk 3snps.hsp xDbl Blk Opto.hsp

Hey guys, reaching out again. Would love for someone if they have time to test these patches and see if you get the same results (the volume of the dbl blk preset is lower when switching from the Lux Blk preset, and doesn't go back to normal until you select the other dbl blk preset, sometimes you have to do it a few times). Really want to know if anyone else has seen this. Thanks.