PaulTBaker

Ok, for all of you readers that were sitting on the edge of your seat to see why this was happening, well, here is what Line6 found out. The bump in volume which happens after selecting the same preset again had something to do with the Ampeg B-15 Cab I was using. They switched the cab and the volume bump went away. I confirmed this also worked for me. Josh (Line6 guy) said he would send this to the developers.

I'm posting this so I will have a record of what I have done... and in case anyone out there really wants a headache :) I created a ticket, so we will see what they say. Ok, so I have some basic template that I made from scratch on the stadium unit. i created 2 presets from this template. One with a Dbl Blk amp and the other with a Lux Blk amp. I get the same behavior. The Dbl Blk amp preset is louder if you select it again after selecting it the first time. It will get softer after you select the Lux Blk preset. Ok, so I created two presets with just an amp and cab. One had the Dbl Blk and one had the Lux Blk. This time selecting the Dbl Blk preset twice did NOT increase the volume (which had happened in ALL other cases). So mmm? However, when I selected the preset based on my template that had a Dbl Blk after I selected just the amp/cab preset, that preset was louder. ALSO, when I went back to the amp/cab Dbl Blk preset, THAT PRESET WAS LOUDER... it is just the amp and cab! This is very weird.

Thanks for the replies. 1. Yes the 4a, etc were the presets. It made it easier to read. 2. I will check the files I uploaded. As I posted, I have been having issues trying to export files (the problem is probably between the keyboard and the chair :) ). Lux Blk 3Snps .hsp I found out that if I try to select multiple presets from a setlist, and drag or export to a folder in Finder, then it exports a very small file for each preset. My guess is that since the user setlists contain links to the actual preset in the USER set list, then it is the link that is getting exported. I have uploaded the correct Lux Blk preset. 3. I do have the min/max values set on the wah's, however that should not come into play because simply selecting the preset causes the change in volume. I am not engaging any stomps... The same preset is at different levels depending on what combination of presets were selected before it. In the case of the Dbl Blk 3snps preset, you can select once and it may be low volume, then re-select, and it is at a higher volume. 4. you are correct about the looper. the presets are saved to start on snapshot 1. The deluxe looper is grayed out in 1a "Dbl Blk 3Snps" and 1b "Lux Blk 3Snps", so they are set the same. This is the scenario: 1. I select preset 1b, the LUFS is 18. I do this to make 1a be 18 when I select it. 2. I select 1a, the LUFS is 18 3. I select 1a AGAIN, the LUFS jumps to 14 and ANY other preset that uses the Dbl Blk amp will stay boosted, until I select a preset with a different amp. Thank again for letting me share my pain! I am going to make a ticket for this. dbl blk 3snps (1).hsp

ok, I created a new preset entirely on the Helix Stadium XL(unit) using the Dbl Blk amp. Using the YouLean Loudness meter on my Mac (Catalina v 10.15.7), the reading of my new Dbl Blk preset was around 18 LUFS (short term) with steady strumming. I click on other presets (not Dbl Blk and a combo of made on the unit or brought over, its all the same results) and the volume on those patches are around 18 which is how they were created. I then click on the xDbl Blk Opto preset and it is 18. I click back on the new dbl blk preset and the LUFS is still around 18. I can select any of the other presets and get the correct results. this may make it easier to read. all presets were created to have an LUFS around 18: 4a = Dbl Blk test (created only on unit, has 2 snapshots) 1a = Dbl Blk 3snaps (created using app and unit, has 3 snapshots) 2a = Dbl Blk Opto (created using app and unit, has no snapshots) 1b = Lux Blk 3snaps (created using app and unit, has 3 snapshots) 1d = Plexi 3snaps (created using app and unit, has 3 snapshots) restarted the unit, rebooted the mac, unit is NOT connected to mac by wifi, unit IS connected to map by USB so I can use the YouLean meter. - select 4a, get LUFS 18 - select 1b, get LUFS 18 - select 1a, get LUFS 18 - select 4a, get LUFS 18 --- normal levels up here - select 1a, get LUFS 12 to 14 -- elevated levels after I select any Dbl Blk preset after a previous Dbl Blk preset - select 4a, get LUFS 12 to 14 - select 1b, get LUFS 14 to 15 - select 4a, get LUFS 18 --- gets back to normal since the previous selection was not a consecutive Dbl Blk - select 1b, get LUFS 18 So, clear as mud? :) I do not believe the creation location of the preset matters (unit or app). My tests indicate that after you select after you have select 2 Dbl Blk presets, the next preset will be louder. this will continue if you keep selecting a Dbl Blk preset. This behavior will go back to normal, you select 2 consecutive NON-Dbl BLk presets (the first Non-Dbl BLk will be loud, but the next preset (dbl blk or not) will be back to normal levels. please someone with time to burn try this. you can use my presets or create two dbl blk presets and some other non dbl blk and test it. Also, is there a place where I can post this to Line 6 as a bug? I know they do not monitor this forum. Thanks. PS. now it seems like the loudness could be more random... switching between presets will give my different results for the same preset.... sometimes you can just re-select the same preset and it will get louder...... you can hear it get louder and fuller or thin and soft.

Thank you for the reply. Good questions: On Mac, created in the app with back and forth editing between the app and the unit.... on version 1.2.1 app and unit. I found out last night that the files exported from the app were corrupt. Found out that dragging the file to finder from the app does not work. Right clicking on the preset and selecting export does NOT work. The only thing that does work is the Export Preset under the File menu. the files are attached here. I did some more testing and have found that it seems to be just the Dbl Blck amp. I took a preset that worked fine (meaning it is always the same volume whenever I click on it) and replaced the amp with the Dbl Blk amp and now I get the different volume issue again. I will try creating a new Dbl Blk preset without the app and see what happens. this is really crazy! Thanks dbl blk 3snps (1).hsp lux blk 3snps.hsp xDbl Blk Opto.hsp

Hey guys, reaching out again. Would love for someone if they have time to test these patches and see if you get the same results (the volume of the dbl blk preset is lower when switching from the Lux Blk preset, and doesn't go back to normal until you select the other dbl blk preset, sometimes you have to do it a few times). Really want to know if anyone else has seen this. Thanks.

Question, I also put an eq and compressor at the end of each preset. I got it from Jason S. years ago and never left it :) From your statement about things being cumulative, are you saying that those two at the end could add to the clipping? Really want to understand. When I first got the stadium, I wanted to try presets without the eq/compressor, so I made some. I found that I could not change the eq on the amp (Lux Blk) enough to bring out the slight brightness I needed that I get from the eq, so I added it back. I also am using the la2 compressor at the end as a help to tweak the volume level for the patches. The settings are much different from the helix though. The mix is down from 100 to 40 and the gain is down from 5 to 3.5 to 4.2. I did find that the presets I pulled in from the OG helix and swapped out the amps with the agora amps, were clipping at the output block (after leveling for same loudness).

Elevator, I know you have a lot of experience so you have probably tried this... instead of using a volume block, can't you adjust the level of the input block? I don't do this, but I am interested in knowing your thoughts. Thanks.

I posted something earlier about this (sometimes when I select a preset, the volume is 3 to 4 db lower). This is what I have learned. I have multiple presets (duh :) ). I have two that are using the Double Black amp. One has two cabs and one has one cab. I switch to a different preset that uses a different amp (Lux Blk, Princeton, or Plexi). The volume on all of these presets are fine. I will then select one of the Double Blck presets and the volume is 3 to 4 db lower than it should be. If I select the other Double Blck preset and then come back to the first Double Blk preset, the volume is normal (3 to 4 db louder, which is how I set it). I have (hopefully) attached the two Double Black presets and one of the others that makes the Dbl Blk preset be lower. You can test this by: 1. select the Lux Blk preset ... play something 2. select the Dbl Blk Opto preset ... play something (it will be lower that it should) 3. select the other dbl blk preset ... play something (it may or may not be lower) 4. select the Dbl Blk Opto preset again ... play something (it will be 3 to 4 db louder)!!!!! I have tried this with the Stadium connect to the pc and not connected... I get the same results Does anyone else have this issue? Can someone please point me to the Helix Stadium Bug list post? thanks Dbl Blk Opto.hsp Lux Blk OptoHld.hsp Dbl Blk 3snps.hsp

oooh, the 3 OSC Generator is a great idea, I will look at that. I also use the YouLean Loudness meter for leveling.

A couple of questions: 1. Has anyone else noticed that sometimes the volume is lower when you first select a preset? I have 6 main presets I am trying to match output level for each. To do this, I will play a chunka thing while switching between each preset. It is probably just me and my ear getting tired, however, it seems that sometimes the preset is at a lower volume than the last time I selected it. I realize there could be many factors that could cause this if I am editing and saving the preset, however this seems to happen when I am just switching presets, not after saves. Again, this is probably me, but I was wondering if anyone else had this issue. 2. I thought this issue was fixed with version 1.2.1 (which I am on). When do the leveling as stated above, I will be in one of my custom setlists and the stadium in preset mode. I got to the preset mode by long pressing the mode button and selecting presets. Mode A is set to stomp A and Mode B is set to stomp B. When I modify the preset and save, the stadium changes from my custom setlist to the User setlist. The app still shows my custom setlist. In the app, I double click on the preset in the setlist and the stadium changes back to my custom setlist. I thought this was fixed. Is this happening to anyone else? Thanks

thank you all for your response. Silv, that makes sense... I was just trying to be clever :).... and JP, while being clever, I saw that looperDAT.dat file as well! mmmm ... maybe we will be able to store and recall multiple loops in the future. Wow, it could be that we don't even need to do anything during our gig except to stand there looking awesome!!!! :) Of course I'm kidding and there is no way I can look awesome unless the lights go out! Hey, I could do that with Showcase :)

Is it possible to use a computer to create folder on a microSD card, drag multiple .wav files in it and THEN insert the card into the Helix? Will the Helix see the new files as individual songs? Or do I have to use the helix to add one song at a time? I wanted to have copies of our songs on the helix so at practice I could pull it up if we needed it. I know there are a million ways to do this with something else, just wanted to use the Helix. I also think I could do this one song at a time, however, I was hoping I could load the songs in bulk. Thanks.

I am on firmware 1.2.1

Interesting, when I do this on the device.... 1. select the Main Menu (hamburger menu) 2. New Preset 3. get the list of templates (I have mine in a new folder so I select the folder and I get a list of my templates) 4. I tap (or double tap) on the template name and nothing happens. I do not see the chain 5. I select new preset after tapping on the template and THEN it takes me to a new preset starting with the template. Is that what is happening to you? The way I am reading your post makes me think that when you select (tap) the template from the template list, that you get to see the chain. Am I misreading what you are saying? Thanks again for your help!

Thanks silv for the response. I had been mostly using the app. I will come up with some better naming conventions, that should help. My point was, sometimes, I can't remember exactly what was in the template and just being able to tap on the template (from the app maybe?) and see the chain somehow... a popup window, sort of like when you tap a control and you get a window that tells you about the control and even change the parameters. I would not need to change the parameters, but I would love to see the chain so I could remember which was which and not have to be so detailed in the template name. Not complaining, just hoping :). I do love this thing!

I love the templates... however, how do you see what the template is made up of? The only way I can see to do this is to add a new preset and select a template.... that CAN"T BE THE ONLY WAY TO DO THAT??? please tell me I am missing something. thank you

I didn't fully understand it, but there was a very good discussion on this a long time ago on this forum. It would be worth searching for.

I can also see why you would be disappointed. My expectations for the current product were not as high. The main reason I wanted it was because I always needed "just one more stomp" on the Helix Floor! This has given me that. Of course I may be wrong (I thought I was wrong once, but I was mistaken:)) however, I believe this model has the potential to open up so many more capabilities, I'm sure some we didn't know we needed! Your AI integration is an example of that. This platform seems to be able to handle things like that. So like Silver said, it comes down to expectations.

just a question? why -23? I have always heard that -18 average is the sweet spot. I run mine around -18 to -12 max. That is use the Youlean loudness meter as a stand alone app connected by USB-C cable. Just as an aside, In some patches, the bottom red output will flash red, even though the LUFS meter is around -15. Other patches, will have the LUFS meter much higher at -10 or so and the bottom output will not flash red. Would like to know more info on how the bottom output block works (as far as the green/red flashing) goes.

he is in Stomp A mode... he used Control Center to assign the snapshots to the five FS's on the bottom row.

Sorry for all that have been having this problem, I know from experience how frustrating it is! Turns out the internet at my house was flakey. Spectrum came out and swapped modems/routers and the problem has been fixed. (knock on wood)

please check to see if you have it set (global settings) to automatically assign the block to a footswitch. If this is set to manual, then adding a wah or volume will not work correctly until you make their assignments manually. easiest fix is to delete them, turn on the automatic add and add them again. Hope that helps.

hope this is not missing the point, however when you say: "With the two channels being so vastly mismatched in the Agoura model they can't both be used," you could assign level changes to the same FS as the changing from low to high... I do that all the time. I also will change the bass and other parameters with the same FS.

I skimmed, not read the release notes.... my bad... would have saved some yelling time :) Live and learn!