PaulTBaker

this may be a different issue, however, there were threads awhile back that talk about what shows on the PC screen. It had something to with the correct speaker would be selected, however the PC screen may not change to a different preset when changing the speaker from the helix. Bottom line was you get the speaker you want and just disregard what the PC screen says.....at least that is what I took away from that!

If you offload it (speaker or IR) to the PC, then you have to go from the PC to the FOH. Correct?

I can say I really love the PC112plus.... however I dont use the speaker models. I run it in LF Raw mode. But I love the way it sounds.... To me, the PC would give you more flexibility, however, it may not sound exactly like the black shadow..... it could be better or worse... depends on what you like. I always go with the more options.... but that's me.

I think I understand and I do the same thing. I have a footswitch set to the output block and set it to 0 min and +3 max. works great. boost is after everything so nothing is changed tone wise, it's just louder!

and ice?

Your point is a good one and is probably shared with mostly newish or new to modeling level of players. I can see where it would make sense, buy this and it will sound like this! However, in reality as many have said (in billions of posts) that is not possible. The most Line6 can do it try to make the defaults for the amps, effects, etc. sound the best it can through a range of monitoring systems (maybe the wrong words but I mean whatever is used to get sound from the Helix). IMO, they have gotten better at that. For the new players that don't get immediately turned off, this can be a great learning opportunity that can improve their knowledge of what makes a good tone which I believe can help them be a better player. I don't know if it would be possible to "qualify" new customers' expectations on the possibilities of the expected sound without hurting the product sales. However, I believe that would help new players not get discouraged so fast. I know in my case, I really have enjoyed the "tone" rabbit hole and have learned so much from sites like this.... and I have been playing line6 stuff since the first beans.....

I agree with PierM that the way a guitar "feels" in your hands is the most important thing for me. I also have guitars of varying price ranges, but only because they "felt" good. You can tell as soon as you put your hands on it if it is good or not. Yes, sometimes all it needs is a change of strings and a good setup, but it still needs that feel. That's why I can never understand why guitar places don't take the time to at least do a basic setup and maybe change the strings. So many times I have picked up a guitar at places like Guitar Center, Sam Ashe, etc, and the strings were way off the neck and were rusty.... I know it's silly, but it drives me crazy! (or maybe, I should be happy because now I have more money in my pocket :))

this may be completely off base, but R2DR2 (or something like that, sorry) has posted about a problem with the treble/tweeter something not working correctly in some cases. Maybe the treble trim? You could do a search for that or just look in the Power Cab section. He talks about it a lot. Maybe that is it or maybe that was only for the PC212+....sorry to be so vague! And I'm sure you have tried each PC by themselves without being hooked to each other? are you connecting them with the l6link? Good luck finding it. Please post what you find!

that was an interesting question... espeicially since I don't have the helix native. Thanks for posting the answer.

would the impedance on the guitar input make a difference. That is the classic problem when the gate is too hot, but you said you are not using a gate, so maybe the guitar input impedance is too low along with having the pad on.

I also use the PC in Flat, LF Raw mode. I do not bypass the cabs and mics in the helix.

Have you tried the 4 cable method? I don't use that, but from my understanding, the whole point of that is to keep your amps sound. That may help.

The Wrightsville Beach band was called Fallen Angels. The bassist is Taylor Lee. I could not find any recent videos of him, but they were amazing! Loved the way he chorded, double stopped, etc.... beautiful! And a young guy at that :) (Damn KIDS :) )

I have the helix floor, but I had the same problem. I don't remember exactly, but I believe it had something to do with the touch capacity(probably wrong word, sorry)... but if I just touched the button, not click it, it would change the light and then the settings were reversed (or seemed to be reversed, because the drive would be at max with the light off). Try just touching the button to select it... or touch it a few times.... (reading that sounds bad :), but I'm serious :))

Saw a local Jazz trio in Wrightsville Beach, NC a month ago (bass, sax, drums). Very full sound, the bassist was the best musician I have ever heard, much less seen. The way he combined chording and noting the bass was amazing... it sounded like they had a fender rhoads (sp?) playing with them. So the point is that maybe the bass can adjust somethings as well, maybe incorporate chording at times, especially during the guitar solo's!

you can also play with the Stereo Width setting on the PC.... amazing how well it works.

Very interesting topic, and (as usual) way over my head :). I am assuming the purpose of this is to match a guitar tone to somebody else's tone. From my understanding, this would not affect the "dirtiness/cleaness" of the tone, but the "brightness/dullness" of the tone. Is that a correct assumption?

Going back to your list, you may find that you are close to what you want. For example, your reverbs or delays could be combined where you have a snapshot or stomp change the delay settings so the act like two or more stomps. Since you like one amp,cab that is the best scenario for having presets that are close but change a few things. I found that I will have a basic amp cab drives reverb delay preaet then add different effects that would typically not be used together. Not what you asked for, but maybe what you really want. Good luck. You really can't go wrong.

You probably thought of this but you could sort of have what you want, just make them on different presets. I know is not the same but if you think about it, it could be done. There are some effects that you would not use together. Put those on a different presets. Your amp could be the same for both presets. Or several presets. Put your basic stuff in each preaet then add the odd things. For example, have one preaet with a trem, the other would be the same but have a chorus.

not to beat a dead horse, however... my setup is largely like what it would be on stage. The PC's would be what I hear on stage and the ZLX's is the FOH. Unless I am missing something, and if I am, I really would like to understand. The way I have it setup now, I can get something I like through the PC's, and then check to see what it would sound like through the FOH... We use the Behringer for our mixer. Are you saying the PC112+ stacked on the PC212+ could cause phase issues? I don't think I've heard any....

Thats cool.... I use stomp mode because it just gives you more buttons. I use mine sort of like a pedal board. I have stomps that turn some things on/off, some are set to multiple controls.... I have snapshots that turn things on and off that I didn't have room for in stomp. I also use the snapshots to change rev and delay settings. Helix is great in that you can really make it work the way you want it. For example, I don't do the preset per song thing, however, I can definitely see how that would be great in certain situations. I was never good enough (focused enough?) to learn the songs exactly. I like to get the gist of it but adapt it to what I'm doing. I always appreciate the talent to get things just right... the sound, the feel, etc.

Oh, good to see the floor is still not that far for you. It keeps getting further and further for me every day :) I usually only use one or two presets during a gig. I've toyed around with how I arrange my presets/setlists. I have one I call amps. I use that to store my presets I like/use for safe keeping. I keep that sorted by amps. I thought about having a setlist for my les paul and one for my tele/strat.... however, the bending down thing, I put the presets all in one setlist and use the first few banks for tele, next few banks for les paul. So in my case, i would not have to bank up/down a bunch to get to the "Setlist Change" preset. I just thought it would be nice to be able to go anywhere (any setlist) using the peddles. I'll have to get a midi cable and try your suggestion. Thanks again!

I tried last night... I probably missed it, but command center would only let me pick a preset in the current setlist. Would be great if I am wrong.

awesome.... guess i need to get over my fear of midi :)

I would love to be able to select a preset from another setlist... or just go to another setlist by hitting a stomp button. Is there something like that available? I was thinking about trying something in the command center... if I can assign a button to a preset in another setlist, then maybe I can create a preset that has a preset from each setlist... then clicking on that would take me to that setlist. Going to try that tonight. Would love to know if anyone else has done this. Thanks.