PaulTBaker

Saw a local Jazz trio in Wrightsville Beach, NC a month ago (bass, sax, drums). Very full sound, the bassist was the best musician I have ever heard, much less seen. The way he combined chording and noting the bass was amazing... it sounded like they had a fender rhoads (sp?) playing with them. So the point is that maybe the bass can adjust somethings as well, maybe incorporate chording at times, especially during the guitar solo's!

you can also play with the Stereo Width setting on the PC.... amazing how well it works.

Very interesting topic, and (as usual) way over my head :). I am assuming the purpose of this is to match a guitar tone to somebody else's tone. From my understanding, this would not affect the "dirtiness/cleaness" of the tone, but the "brightness/dullness" of the tone. Is that a correct assumption?

Going back to your list, you may find that you are close to what you want. For example, your reverbs or delays could be combined where you have a snapshot or stomp change the delay settings so the act like two or more stomps. Since you like one amp,cab that is the best scenario for having presets that are close but change a few things. I found that I will have a basic amp cab drives reverb delay preaet then add different effects that would typically not be used together. Not what you asked for, but maybe what you really want. Good luck. You really can't go wrong.

You probably thought of this but you could sort of have what you want, just make them on different presets. I know is not the same but if you think about it, it could be done. There are some effects that you would not use together. Put those on a different presets. Your amp could be the same for both presets. Or several presets. Put your basic stuff in each preaet then add the odd things. For example, have one preaet with a trem, the other would be the same but have a chorus.

not to beat a dead horse, however... my setup is largely like what it would be on stage. The PC's would be what I hear on stage and the ZLX's is the FOH. Unless I am missing something, and if I am, I really would like to understand. The way I have it setup now, I can get something I like through the PC's, and then check to see what it would sound like through the FOH... We use the Behringer for our mixer. Are you saying the PC112+ stacked on the PC212+ could cause phase issues? I don't think I've heard any....

Thats cool.... I use stomp mode because it just gives you more buttons. I use mine sort of like a pedal board. I have stomps that turn some things on/off, some are set to multiple controls.... I have snapshots that turn things on and off that I didn't have room for in stomp. I also use the snapshots to change rev and delay settings. Helix is great in that you can really make it work the way you want it. For example, I don't do the preset per song thing, however, I can definitely see how that would be great in certain situations. I was never good enough (focused enough?) to learn the songs exactly. I like to get the gist of it but adapt it to what I'm doing. I always appreciate the talent to get things just right... the sound, the feel, etc.

Oh, good to see the floor is still not that far for you. It keeps getting further and further for me every day :) I usually only use one or two presets during a gig. I've toyed around with how I arrange my presets/setlists. I have one I call amps. I use that to store my presets I like/use for safe keeping. I keep that sorted by amps. I thought about having a setlist for my les paul and one for my tele/strat.... however, the bending down thing, I put the presets all in one setlist and use the first few banks for tele, next few banks for les paul. So in my case, i would not have to bank up/down a bunch to get to the "Setlist Change" preset. I just thought it would be nice to be able to go anywhere (any setlist) using the peddles. I'll have to get a midi cable and try your suggestion. Thanks again!

I tried last night... I probably missed it, but command center would only let me pick a preset in the current setlist. Would be great if I am wrong.

awesome.... guess i need to get over my fear of midi :)

I would love to be able to select a preset from another setlist... or just go to another setlist by hitting a stomp button. Is there something like that available? I was thinking about trying something in the command center... if I can assign a button to a preset in another setlist, then maybe I can create a preset that has a preset from each setlist... then clicking on that would take me to that setlist. Going to try that tonight. Would love to know if anyone else has done this. Thanks.

Thanks for the reply. Yes, agree and understand the subjectivity of all of this. This is my setup for when I'm at home. I have broken it down to be as simple as possible. Have used headphones, can't remember which ones they were, but they were good ones ( I know, :),...) they were horrible coming out of the helix. major high cuts helped... but even then the ampeg just sounded best. Never thought of the setup as Wonky :).... interesting to hear that. works for me though... I guess I just like the ampeg.... and I do! Thanks!

Sorry if this is the wrong place, but even with the new cabs, the only one that sounds good for my setup is the ampeg 1x15 (legacy). For reference, I have a Helix floor, running l6link to PC212+ then from that to PC112+ on top. I also have a behringer XR18 with 2 EV ZLX 112s and connect to this through the XLR L and R. The PC's are set to LFLR Raw. (though I have tried other combinations and it makes no difference). ALL the other cab (even new ones) sound harsh, brittle, metalic, no warmth. I have tried it just the PC's, just the ZLX's, a blend of both. Also with Tele, strat, les paul, and a yamaha hollow body with soapbox pu's. it doesn't matter. I have spent hours (many many hours) playing with the high/low cuts on the cabs and on eq's at the end of the chain... they help somewhat, but nothing sounds like the ampeg 1x15. It also doesn't matter the amp used. I have used many! I have download other's presets and templates... same thing. the latest I tried was last night with Jason Sadites new templates. I'm ok, because I truly love what I am getting with the ampeg 1x15.... it just baffles me! I know you can't expect your sounds to sound close to what you see on youtube, but it is just weird to me. Has anyone else had this issue?

Wow, that is very cool!

Recording Magazine Resources: Capturing the Cab Mics and Miking For those like me that don't know this.... the above is a good start! " First, the further you are from the cabinet, the more room tone you’ll get. The direct sound of the cabinet will be less bassy and have softer highs. The closer you are, the more direct cabinet sound you’ll get, with added proximity effect down low plus piercing highs. Second, the closer you are to the center of the speaker cone, the brighter and more direct the sound will be. As you move towards the edge of the cone, the sound will get darker. Third—on-axis vs. off-axis. This comparison refers to the angle at which the mic is placed in relation to the sound source. So, let’s say you have that SM57 placed at a 45 degree angle against the grille of the cab. That is 45 degrees off-axis. If you place it pointing straight towards the cab, that’s on-axis. Not surprisingly, on-axis gives your more treble and more punch. Off-axis gives a bassier, darker and warmer tone." and much more!

Thank you!

Agree mix placement knowledge is very important! Can someone point me to a good reference on mix placement principles, etc. I know I can Google and I also realize trial and error is the best learning tool! However, it would be nice to have some basic knowledge before all the testing. For example, last night I used one of my patches and made a snapshot of the existing cab and one for the new cab. When on the new cab snapshot, I would use pedal edit to change the parameters of the speaker while I played. That was helpful and will be my learning tool. I can see it will take a while because my ears are not what they used to be. So again any good references would be much appreciated.... Basic stuff like, move the mic out to get rid of the base, or what the 45axis is supposed to do. I'm also sure I'm not the only one that needs this. Thanks

Agreed, however it can happen. I have a dt25 that is bricked because of the2.0 update.

Download the latest updater from line6. Install that and then run it. It will find the broken helix and fix it. Worked for me

i got an error when updating... Yes, I read the DAMN instructions! People do read those you know, Thanks to all who keep suggesting that! The hxedit updated to 3.50, but updating the firmware caused an error... not the one listed. I could not do a factory reset, or start the helix in safe mode. I have a Mac Catalina.... I went to line6 software and selected helix and mac and got the list of softwared. I downloaded the latest line6 updater and installed that. Double clicking on it gave the apple error that it could not be verified. I had to right click on it and click open, then I had to click open again on the next window. After the updater installed, I turned my helix back on (no resets just turned it on). It still had weird characters on the screen, but it was on. I ran the updater, it found my helix (even with the funky characters) and installed. The updater then said my helix would restart and is ready to be used.... so far so good. I checked and it does have the new stuff, so I'm guessing it is ok. I am not sure if I need to do a factor reset now or not. I'm guessing I do if I want to get any of the new presets that may have come with 3.50.... I am very thankful this worked. I have a gig tomorrow and was started to panic. So, for those of you who are having issues, please download the latest updater, install it, then run it. turn your helix on and hopefully it will find it and work for you! Good luck!

I have that setup and use them with the 112 stacked on top of the 212. I have the 212 stereo width setting at about 150. I like it, however, I have never used a wet dry wet setup so I can't compare. I can say that I am very happy with this setup. I know this is not what you were asking.... I also look forward to read what others will say!

A friend of mine had a similar issue with the stomps on the bottom row. He ended duplicating the switches... Meaning the first two buttons were the same and the last two buttons were the same. That way if you miss, you still get what you wanted.

Very interesting topic. I use delays and reverbs and have snapshots that change them both from almost nothing, to a little wet, to very wet. I have a simple stereo delay set at 360ms, repeats 39 to 55, mix 31. This is mostly on all the time. Especially when I'm playing in the duo band with just another acoustic guitar/singer. I'll play my tele in this setup and these settings make it sound fuller. When I play with the full band, I will either turn off the SD360 or turn down the mix to 15-20. That keeps everything from washing out. I use the Ganeymeade (sp?) reverb with settings from dry to more wet..... thinking about trying others though.

HEY YOU, GET OFF MY LAWN!!!! just kidding of course. that is an interesting perspective, and somewhat plausible, however if that was the case, I would not expect the sound to be different after "jiggling" things (except my ears of course :))

It was pretty guitar, but tequila was involved so... :) No, there were not any changes on PC LED's... they were still on the custom "Preset?" on the PC.