Tommy2Gunns Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 I don't have a Helix or an AxeFx as of yet. The only reason I ever thought about getting an AxeFx was for the Tone Matching feature which I thought was pretty cool. I was wondering if anyone knows whether the Helix will do that? I assumed this would be in the Helix manual but it doesn't look like it's been posted online yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wallyhooker Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 As far as I can tell from the Helix website, that doesn't appear to be a feature. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arislaf Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 No, I already asked that mate. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radatats Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 if I understand correctly, tone matching matches up the song you want against a database of created patches. Helix is a new OS and there are no patches to match up, so consequently that feature doesn't exist... yet... as always, that could change if there is ever a large enough collection of created patches. We users would have to create them and load them somewhere like CustomTone. There is already a huge base of AXE patches and POD patches so it works for them... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arislaf Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 if I understand correctly, tone matching matches up the song you want against a database of created patches. Helix is a new OS and there are no patches to match up, so consequently that feature doesn't exist... yet... as always, that could change if there is ever a large enough collection of created patches. We users would have to create them and load them somewhere like CustomTone. There is already a huge base of AXE patches and POD patches so it works for them... Not at all mate, the tone match adjust from the source (isolated guitar track) the EQ curve and replicates it. Mattter of fact it is awesome feature that makes your life easier if you want THAT tone 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Digital_Igloo Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 Yeah, AMPLIFi and Firehawk FX's ToneMatch feature (crowd-sourced cloud-based tone sharing) is totally different from AxeFX's ToneMatch feature. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CipherHost Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 Not at all mate, the tone match adjust from the source (isolated guitar track) the EQ curve and replicates it. Mattter of fact it is awesome feature that makes your life easier if you want THAT tone Seems to me like the Tone Match that is created in the Axe FX is going to be unique for the guitar (and other equipment) that was being used to create the Tone Match. I would not expect a downloaded Match to sound the same with different gear, but maybe it gets pretty close. That being said, is the Tone Match created in the Axe FX the same thing as the IR files that can be used in the Helix? (It might be a proprietary file format but was just wondering.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radatats Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 Not at all mate, the tone match adjust from the source (isolated guitar track) the EQ curve and replicates it. Mattter of fact it is awesome feature that makes your life easier if you want THAT tone well that was embarrassing... :wacko: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose7822 Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 That being said, is the Tone Match created in the Axe FX the same thing as the IR files that can be used in the Helix? (It might be a proprietary file format but was just wondering.) Not at all. They're two different technologies. The Tone Match used in the Axe FX is simple EQ matching, ala IZotope's Ozone and many other software EQ plugins before it. Nothing new. On the other hand, the Impulse Response (IR) files used in Helix and other amp modelers (hardware and plugins alike) are 'snapshots' of the actual cabinet using different mics. It's kinda similar to how the Kemper profiles real amps. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidb7170 Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 Radatats -- I wouldn't be embarrassed -- the Tone matching you were talking about is from a select group of pre-made tones defined in the metadata of the sound files they used for the examples, as I understand it on the Firehawk and Amplifi - based units. I don't have that, but the concept is a canned response, seems to me as limited as just getting tones from L6's customtones -- too many variables for them to sound good on each person's equipment. I've been disappointed with the vast majority of my attempts to find useable patches for my equipment. I'm sure they sound fine to the originator.... The other mfrs' methods are totally attacking the problem from another approach as DI pointed out.... Apples & Oranges.... Dave 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arislaf Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 well that was embarrassing... :wacko: Not at all, you are a well known and respected member, nothing embarrassing here :) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arislaf Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 Not at all. They're two different technologies. The Tone Match used in the Axe FX is simple EQ matching, ala IZotope's Ozone and many other software EQ plugins before it. Nothing new. On the other hand, the Impulse Response (IR) files used in Helix and other amp modelers (hardware and plugins alike) are 'snapshots' of the actual cabinet using different mics. It's kinda similar to how the Kemper profiles real amps. Yeah, but it is cabin profiler, not tone matching. The end user will have to tune by himself to find THAT tone. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewolf48 Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 But this does raise the question as to whether computer software could be given a sample of target guitar (as per AxeFX process) and a sample of Helix amp without Cab (over USB) playing similar, and then *magically* determine the differences between them and generate an IR that would be used in a Helix IR Block in place of a Cab to give this same effect. An IR includes EQ and phase effects so can achieve this tone matching. In fact this is what I think the AXeFX includes is an automated version of this which is exactly what is being talked about 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose7822 Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 Yeah, but it is cabin profiler, not tone matching. The end user will have to tune by himself to find THAT tone. Of course. I never implied that IR were anything but cabinet profiling. The reason I mentioned the Kemper is because most guitarists are familiar with its profiling process, which is more inclusive than just an IR profile of a cabinet. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radatats Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 Not at all, you are a well known and respected member, nothing embarrassing here :) I should have done my research before jumping in. That looks like a cool feature though... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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