Reverse delay parameters

[orjay]

Hello !

I'm not sure if this a bug or not.

When I try to use the reverse delay, it seems like the first reverse doesn't come regularly.

I guess I'm not the only who has this kind of trouble.

Thanks in advance.

Orjay

 

[RD1967]

What do you mean when you say, "the first reverse doesn't come regularly"?

[orjay]

I mean, when I play a note, sometimes the first reverse delay comes after 1000ms, sometimes it comes after 500ms, sometimes 700ms, etc..

I tried to change the "time" parameter (as you can see on the uploaded image, right now, it is set to 1000ms), but it does not change anything.

It seems like there is a kind of random option somewhere.

 

I tried also to remove every other effects but there is still the same problem.

 

It's quite weird !

 

Thanks for your help...

 

 

 

 

[phil_m]

I don’t remember - is there a “scale” parameter on the second page of parameters? 

[duncann]

There's no scale parameter, but some for modulation on page two.

I remember there being something off about this effect when it first came out, and after trying it with the above pictured settings, I can't for the life of me decipher what it's doing. It seems completely chaotic and weird, like orjay describes. It's like the effect is having problems determining what input signal it should be operating on, and when. Maybe it's just a lack of understanding about what this effect is supposed to do. Is this effect supposed to be predictable? Because it is not. But it's still an interesting effect, despite the weirdness.

 

[orjay]

So do you mean the "time" parameter is not working?

 

Here is the second page of parameters...

[duncann]

23 minutes ago, orjay said:

So do you mean the "time" parameter is not working?

 

It does seem to me that the time parameter doesn't function correctly. For example, one would think if it's set to 1s, it should be 1s before a repeat starts, but that's not the case. It seems completely random when a repeat starts. So I'm observing the same as what you pointed out in your previous post.

[RD1967]

I set it up the same way and I am experiencing the same thing as described.  I have used this effect before in a song and it didn't behave this way previously.  I would assume there is a bug.  Orjay, have you used a reverse delay before?  Not this one but an external pedal.

[arislaf]

Agree with op. There is a bug.

[tommasoferrarese]

It is not a bug, but how most of reverse delays work. You have to sample chunks of audio (say 1 sec) and reverse them.

if you start to play in the middle of the timeframe, you’ll have a first repetition of half a second.

I suggested they put a threshold buffer reset, such as the one in Strymon Timeline, so that the buffer gets reset based on how you play. At least since a few firmware versions ago it tends to midi clock.

[jbuhajla]

Muting your phrasing to "restart" the delay signal timer is key to getting properly timed reversed phrases. If the delay is getting a continuous input, the entire phrase is delayed from when the phrase started. 

[BBD_123]

What jbuhajla said. Reverse delay has to be played like an extension of the instrument. It takes some practice to get nice results.

[duncann]

Forgot I have a couple of tracks that use this delay: starting at around 3:13, then another passage at 4:13 with different settings, and finally the very end: https://mikestack.bandcamp.com/track/the-artifice-of-time

And an improvised piece with the entire thing reverse delayed: https://mikestack.bandcamp.com/track/entropy (recorded from an hd500x)

 

When I wrote the first track, I remember giving up on trying to figure out what was exactly happening with this effect, and instead created something around what the effect threw at me when I played. Essentially the effect told me what to write.

 

[orjay]

Thanks for all your answers.

 

So, Jbuhajla, what do you mean by "muting your phrasing" ?

 

I tried to mute it with the hand on the string, but it is not working.

Do you think we could get around it creating by ourself this "thresold buffer reset" on the helix ?

(I'm not sure if what I'm saying is clear !)

 

[jbuhajla]

7 hours ago, orjay said:

Thanks for all your answers.

 

So, Jbuhajla, what do you mean by "muting your phrasing" ?

 

I tried to mute it with the hand on the string, but it is not working.

Do you think we could get around it creating by ourself this "thresold buffer reset" on the helix ?

(I'm not sure if what I'm saying is clear !)

 

Play a phrase then completely mute the strings so the signal drops to near nothing. Delays are triggered by the rising edge of their input signal so if the input signal never goes to "zero" the timer won't get reset.

 

Same applies to normal delays as well. I have a few songs that are very delay heavy that require the repeats to ring out. That requires me to mute my phrasing heavily as well. If I am playing 1/8th notes, I chop 1/2 the note off by muting. So it's like playing a 1/16th note with a 1/16 rest right behind it.