mrspag Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 Hi. Does anyone have any tips or tricks on how to get the best sound when using a power and guitar cabinet, instead of running direct? I’ve made some amazing sounding patches that sound great at low levels and and gig level, all running direct. I made a separate path at the end of the patch (prior to the IR) that routes the signal 1/4 output. I run that into a Seymour Duncan Powerstage 700 and then into a Mesa boogie 2x12 with Celestion V30s. The sound just doesn’t sound anywhere near as good as the direct out with an IR or stock cab. The sound through the Mesa cab is more harsh and not as satisfying sounding. I’ve fiddled with the EQ on the power amp and the eq on several modeled amps (using mainly the placater clean and dirty). Are there any go to tips for getting the best sound out of a guitar power amp and real guitar cab? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rd2rk Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 Try a parametric EQ, or any EQ that you understand, in the separate path to the 1/4" out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruisinon2 Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 15 hours ago, mrspag said: I’ve made some amazing sounding patches that sound great at low levels and and gig level, all running direct. To use a traditional guitar cabinet, get rid of your cab or IR blocks and use preamp only amp models. But honestly, if you've gotten to this point, then you've already left most new users in the dust. Do yourself a favor and invest in a FRFR speaker of some sort if you want something for stage volume/personal monitoring.... because no matter what you do, a real guitar cabinet is not going to sound like what you've already dialed in through an FRFR output. You've created tones with models of mic-ed cabinets... and now you're removing the mic from the equation. It can't be stated enough just how huge a variable the mic is. If you're trying to get the same sound out of a real cabinet as your direct to FOH tone, it's gonna be an enormous chore involving a significant amount of EQ manipulation and complete reworking of your patches. They're two different worlds. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schmalle Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 Is the difference between direct and amp in the ball park of this?: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DunedinDragon Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 As cruisinon2 stated above, if you love the sound you're getting going direct to the PA, then why are you trying to do something different on stage? You're adding complexity when it's not necessary. The vast majority of PA system are using FRFR powered speakers of one variety or another. All you have to do is add one to your stage setup and run direct to it from the Helix with no changes at all to your presets. With the tiny amount of money bands get paid nowadays why complicate things and add to the time and expense of setup and teardown?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
codamedia Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 19 hours ago, mrspag said: I’ve made some amazing sounding patches that sound great at low levels and and gig level, all running direct. You have already succeeded where many struggle! You have freed yourself from traditional amps. IMO... Don't look back, move forward and look into adding a good FRFR to your setup! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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