MayPRS Posted December 15, 2021 Share Posted December 15, 2021 I wonder if you guys can help me out - I'm looking for the basic AC30 + Treble Booster tone (as used by Brian May) to serve as basis to all my presets. I tried the Deranged Master + AC30 Normal (w/ 212 Blue cab) as per Brian's setup but the results are far from satisfactory. I found online patches but with different snapshots for "type of sound" as Clean / Crunch / Lead but the way a TB works is by interacting with the guitar volume knob. In a real physical environment with a TB and a Vox AC30 I can go from clean to crunch to lead just by turning the guitar volume knob. Is it a replicable behavior in the Helix? Using a LT. Many thanks in advance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hey_Joe Posted December 15, 2021 Share Posted December 15, 2021 Have you tried all the presets under Brian May at Line 6 CustomTone ? Might give you some patch building ideas or a few patches to tweak to your liking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil_m Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 Is the Deranged Master the first block in your signal chain? I believe the volume knob interaction you’re talking about is related to its low impedance input, which the Helix can replicate. If you have it as the first block and have the Input Z setting on Auto, the input impedance should be set to the lower level automatically. If you have another block as first in the chain, it could interfere with this behavior. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
codamedia Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 9 hours ago, stratgilmour said: I tried the Deranged Master + AC30 Normal (w/ 212 Blue cab) as per Brian's setup but the results are far from satisfactory. I get some good Brian May tones from the "Essex 30" rather than the normal vox amps. There is enough gain and top end to leave the treble booster out of the equation. It might not be "authentic" but I find it sounds great! Essex 30 Amp Change the cab from the silver bell to the blue bell With my Tele I turn the amp gain to 8. YMMV Make sure the MASTER is on 10 Raise the BIAS to 7.5 Start with "stock" tone settings... adjust if needed but you shouldn't need much. Season the tone with some delay and reverb as required. With those settings my tele sparkles with a nice clean (just a touch of grit) with the volume rolled back, but when I turn up full it becomes full blown Brian May lead tone. Everything in between is the grinding rhythm sounds (Tie You Mother Down, Fat Bottom Girls, etc... etc..) If I changed guitars I'd just alter the Amp Gain up or down accordingly to adjust for the output level of the guitar. EG: My strat has lower output, so I would raise the amp gain to 9 or 10. My Les Paul has higher output so I would lower the amp gain to 6 or 7. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MayPRS Posted December 16, 2021 Author Share Posted December 16, 2021 8 hours ago, phil_m said: Is the Deranged Master the first block in your signal chain? I believe the volume knob interaction you’re talking about is related to its low impedance input, which the Helix can replicate. If you have it as the first block and have the Input Z setting on Auto, the input impedance should be set to the lower level automatically. If you have another block as first in the chain, it could interfere with this behavior. Yes, first block. I did this precisely to maintain the direct interaction between guitar and TB. Thanks for the reply. Much appreciated. 9 hours ago, Hey_Joe said: Have you tried all the presets under Brian May at Line 6 CustomTone ? Might give you some patch building ideas or a few patches to tweak to your liking. Yes I did - and it sure gave me some ideas, but usually those patches have 3 snapshots for "Clean", "Crunch", "Lead". What I want/need is a single patch that let me obtain those 3 gain stages using the guitar volume, as per real amp/real TB. Thanks for the reply. Much appreciated. 7 hours ago, codamedia said: I get some good Brian May tones from the "Essex 30" rather than the normal vox amps. There is enough gain and top end to leave the treble booster out of the equation. It might not be "authentic" but I find it sounds great! Essex 30 Amp Change the cab from the silver bell to the blue bell With my Tele I turn the amp gain to 8. YMMV Make sure the MASTER is on 10 Raise the BIAS to 7.5 Start with "stock" tone settings... adjust if needed but you shouldn't need much. Season the tone with some delay and reverb as required. With those settings my tele sparkles with a nice clean (just a touch of grit) with the volume rolled back, but when I turn up full it becomes full blown Brian May lead tone. Everything in between is the grinding rhythm sounds (Tie You Mother Down, Fat Bottom Girls, etc... etc..) If I changed guitars I'd just alter the Amp Gain up or down accordingly to adjust for the output level of the guitar. EG: My strat has lower output, so I would raise the amp gain to 9 or 10. My Les Paul has higher output so I would lower the amp gain to 6 or 7. Great. Thanks for the advice. I will try - It would sure be nice to ditch the heavy AC30 and just tour with LT without the need for external pedals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CraigGT Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 19 hours ago, stratgilmour said: I can go from clean to crunch to lead just by turning the guitar volume knob. Going old school eh? Many here would prefer 8 snapshots to turning the guitar down :-) I'm going through a bit of a retro phase so I'm with you, keep it simple and you'll get there. Craig Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MayPRS Posted December 16, 2021 Author Share Posted December 16, 2021 1 hour ago, CraigGT said: Going old school eh? Many here would prefer 8 snapshots to turning the guitar down :-) I'm going through a bit of a retro phase so I'm with you, keep it simple and you'll get there. Craig Yeah always play this way :) Thanks for the reply! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CraigGT Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 Judging by your profile pic I thought you might appreciate this photo of me! https://www.dropbox.com/s/pmt8ggmwpacq7fv/20190328_134329.jpg?dl=0 Craig Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MayPRS Posted December 17, 2021 Author Share Posted December 17, 2021 11 hours ago, CraigGT said: Judging by your profile pic I thought you might appreciate this photo of me! https://www.dropbox.com/s/pmt8ggmwpacq7fv/20190328_134329.jpg?dl=0 Craig OH YEAH!!!!!! Great pic and... my god... that guitar!!! Thanks for the picture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CraigGT Posted December 17, 2021 Share Posted December 17, 2021 18 minutes ago, stratgilmour said: OH YEAH!!!!!! Great pic and... my god... that guitar!!! Thanks for the picture. Yes forget about me, it's about "that guitar" :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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