Logic pro and helix

[cfitch13]

When using any daw (logic pro) and helix on my Mac I'm having issue when I plugin helix native.   Everything sounds OK before but once i pull up native and select a preset  it over laps the preset selected on helix floor.  Only way I can get sound to clear up is set helix on a blank preset.  Is this what others have to do or am I doing something wrong.  Makes me unable to use bypass switches while playing

[silverhead]

Are you using Native on pre-recorded track or while playing live? From your description it sounds like the latter. If so, set Logic to receive only the dry guitar signal from Helix (USB 7 or perhaps 8 by default). Sounds like you maybe applying Helix Native to process the already processed incoming signal from Helix (USB 1&2).

[cfitch13]

Playing live.  I will look for those settings in logic.  Yes I believe the helix and the native are processing sound together.

So when I bring up native in logic how is it that I am able to use preset selected in native to match up on my helix so that I can use stomps

[rd2rk]

Why would you want to use a preset on a physical Helix at the same time as a preset in Native?

If the only reason is so you can use the same footswitches to control both, you're going about it wrong.

First, if you're listening to both sounds at once, you'll get a delay between them caused by latency on the Native end.

Second, your Helix switches aren't going to control the corresponding switches in Native unless you assign them MIDI messages in Command Center and set the switches in Native to respond to those messages.

 

Solution: Create a Blank Preset on your Helix. In Command Center assign MIDI commands to the switches/exp pedals.

In Native, assign those MIDI commands to the Blocks you wish to control.

This way, one Helix Preset is used to control any number of Native Presets.

Yes, each Native Preset will need to be assigned MIDI separately.

Yes, there will be latency.

 

Better Solution: Create your presets on your Helix so that you can monitor your playing DIRECT (no latency).

Record two tracks - one processed (from USB 1/2) and one UNprocessed (USB 7).

You can then use the UNprocessed track to REAMP the take through whatever Native preset you want.

 

If, on your Helix, you assign MIDI to the switches/exp pedals, then assign that same MIDI to the blocks in the  Native preset that you're using for reamping and record the MIDI from Helix  along with the processed (USB 1/2) and UNprocessed (USB 7) audio from the Helix (3 tracks, 2 audio 1 MIDI), you can then route the MIDI track along with the UNprocessed (USB 7) track into Native for an exact copy of your performance, with a totally different sound, which you can use combined with or as a replacement for the original PROCESSED track.

 

IDK about Logic (I'm a PC guy), but doing this in Reaper is really simple.

 

[cfitch13]

Ok thanks so much for replies.  So if I'm only gonna use helix native to record in daw and use helix as an audio interface I will have to set the helix on a blank preset so that I don't overlap presets. That's the only way I can get it to sound right. I'm gonna try what silverhead suggest.  

[datacommando]

5 hours ago, cfitch13 said:

Everything sounds OK before but once i pull up native and select a preset  it over laps the preset selected on helix floor.

Exactly what “rd2rk’ says in the post above.
 

You seem to be over complicating the situation. I cannot understand why you want to use Native, when you already have the hardware Helix hooked up for playing live? If you are using Logic Pro to simply to supply backing tracks, you can play along using your Helix as usual. Simply hook up your P.A., desk or speakers to either the XLR or 1/4” outs on the Helix.
 

I have both Helix floor and HX Native and it’s simply - “horses for courses”. Use Helix to monitor your live processed audio and also record the dry (Direct Inject) track in order to re-amp as required. You don’t even need to use MIDI for footswitch for changes to stomps while playing. On the other hand you can use a MIDI floorboard controller (eg: FCB 1010) to switch various MIDI options while playing back a dry track through Helix Native.

 

Solution - use your Helix to play along with stuff, and use Native to do Helix style amps and effects on any other unprocessed audio tracks. Well, actually you can use Native on any audio track to create any extra processing you like, but basically that’s it.

 

Hope this helps/makes sense.

 

[silverhead]

9 minutes ago, cfitch13 said:

…..  So if I'm only gonna use helix native to record in daw and use helix as an audio interface I will have to set the helix on a blank preset so that I don't overlap presets. …

I think you misunderstand. Helix Native is not used TO record. It’s used AFTER recording. 

 

4 hours ago, rd2rk said:

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Better Solution: Create your presets on your Helix so that you can monitor your playing DIRECT (no latency).

Record two tracks - one processed (from USB 1/2) and one UNprocessed (USB 7).

You can then use the UNprocessed track to REAMP the take through whatever Native preset you want?

….

Try the suggestion from rd2rk above. Continue to use Helix as your audio interface. In Logic Pro arm two tracks for recording with different Record Inputs as above. Record both track simultaneously. After recording, apply Helix Native to the dry (unprocessed) track. Put your guitar down and transfer the Helix preset you used for the recording into Helix Native. Use this as the starting point and then tweak the Helix Native preset as the recorded track plays back.

[rd2rk]

2 minutes ago, cfitch13 said:

Ok thanks so much for replies.  So if I'm only gonna use helix native to record in daw and use helix as an audio interface I will have to set the helix on a blank preset so that I don't overlap presets. That's the only way I can get it to sound right. I'm gonna try what silverhead suggest.  

 

No. Re-read my post.

Why would you want to deal with latency while recording?

Why would you want to cause that in order to use Native, when you can have the exact same preset on Helix and record with zero latency?

The only real reason to use Native in your rig is for re-amping a DI (USB 7) track.

 

Also, keep in mind that if you're recording a track, any track, processed or DI, and you have the Track Monitor button in Logic ON, that will be playing back through the Helix and combining with your direct (zero latency) output, slightly delayed. That would definitely make it sound weird.

 

[rd2rk]

:-)

 

Everybody posting at the same time, saying the same thing!

 

:-)

[datacommando]

1 hour ago, cfitch13 said:

So if I'm only gonna use helix native to record in daw and use helix as an audio interface I will have to set the helix on a blank preset so that I don't overlap presets

No, no, no!

 

I just spotted your response as I posted my reply, but here we go - let’s get this sorted out.

 

O.K. Using your Helix as an audio interface is fine - I use my Helix floor with Logic Pro X on an almost daily basis - I also have Helix Native as a plug-in.

 

Anything you wish to record complete with the full stereo Helix processing of the chosen preset will arrive in Logic via USB channels 1&2. If you wish to record the unprocessed mono signal simultaneously, that will arrive in Logic on USB channel 7. After recording the dry signal on channel 7, it can be sent back out to your hardware Helix to be re-recorded using any other preset or combination of amp and effects you choose by setting the Helix to listen to the audio in on whatever USB you are sending out from Logic other than USB 1&2. Like wise that dry channel 7 audio can be sent through the HX Native plug-in and any preset or combination of effects you choose.

 

Any audio sent out to the hardware Helix on USB 1&2 will pass through to the audio out bypassing any Helix processing and effects. That way you can play along with backing tracks from Logic, YouTube, iTunes etc. while jamming along using favourite Helix tones.

 

Hope this helps/makes sense.

 

See the Manual re: Audio/USB

Here’s a video on re-amping using a LT exactly the same for the floor.

 

And here is using Native:

 

 

[silverhead]

@cfitch13  I suggest you read the section in the manual entitled USB Audio. This should give you a much better understanding of what we’re talking about. There’s a subsection entitled Reamping through Helix. Ignore that section and use Helix Native instead.

[AZGuitar]

Still trying to figure out why 3.51 for Native wont show in Logic Pro. I'm using IOS Monterey, the install goes as expected. Closed LP, restarted the MAC, reloaded Native and it still shows it's 3.50. Can't figure it out. HX Edit installed as expected for my floor with no issues. Anyone have ideas as to why it won't update? Thanks!

[datacommando]

On 12/1/2022 at 11:07 PM, AZGuitar said:

Still trying to figure out why 3.51 for Native wont show in Logic Pro. I'm using IOS Monterey, the install goes as expected. Closed LP, restarted the MAC, reloaded Native and it still shows it's 3.50. Can't figure it out. HX Edit installed as expected for my floor with no issues. Anyone have ideas as to why it won't update? Thanks!

Hmm… not sure as to what might be causing this as the Mac compatibility is shown right up Ventura.

 

All I can tell you is that it works fine on my Mac running Catalina.

 

There is a thread on the Helix Native area of this forum where a guy had a problem with Native after using Migration Assistant. He posted an uninstall and re-install routine he got from Line 6 Support that my be worth trying, just in case something went screwy on the update.

 

 

Give it a shot - no guarantees, but what’s to lose?

 

Hope this helps/makes sense.