boynigel Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 i need to send 2 mono outs from my LT. if all my patches are in mono, is there any reason why i still shouldn't use the L and R XLR outputs together? would i be better off using the L/mono XLR and the L/mono 1/4" instead? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DunedinDragon Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 I don't see any possible advantage to sending two signals rather than one in your case. It only complicates the live mix at the soundboard for no practical purpose. No one in the audience is going to know or care whether you use 1 or 2 channels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverhead Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 On 6/27/2024 at 10:34 PM, boynigel said: i need to send 2 mono outs from my LT. … Why? Understanding that might help us give advice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boynigel Posted June 28 Author Share Posted June 28 On 6/28/2024 at 3:49 AM, DunedinDragon said: I don't see any possible advantage to sending two signals rather than one in your case. It only complicates the live mix at the soundboard for no practical purpose. No one in the audience is going to know or care whether you use 1 or 2 channels. i've got a rehearsal tonight for which i'll be using IEM's for the first time. guy doing sound said he'll need two outs from my Helix, preferably XLR. i only mentioned "mono" because that's how all my patches are written. no stereo. His "preferably XLR" request is what prompted my question as to whether there's any reason why a L/mono 1/4" out, along with the L/mono XLR combination would be better for any reason. I'm just wondering if using the two XLR's together in mono would confuse the Helix in some weird way, making it look for a stereo signal that isn't there? It's probably fine but i wanted to check just in case, as i don't want any weirdness with my sound tonight. for whatever reason, he wants 2 feeds. that's all i can tell you unfortunately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boynigel Posted June 28 Author Share Posted June 28 On 6/28/2024 at 7:34 AM, silverhead said: Why? Understanding that might help us give advice. please see my response to DunedinDragon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
datacommando Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 On 6/28/2024 at 3:34 AM, boynigel said: i need to send 2 mono outs from my LT. Hope this helps/makes sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boynigel Posted June 28 Author Share Posted June 28 On 6/28/2024 at 8:48 AM, datacommando said: Hope this helps/makes sense. okay, so is that to say that using the L and R XLR's as individual mono outs is indeed a bad idea? If so, would utilizing the combination of the L/mono XLR, with the L/mono 1/4" be a better option until i can get my hands on that adapter? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverhead Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 On 6/28/2024 at 9:10 AM, boynigel said: okay, so is that to say that using the L and R XLR's as individual mono outs is indeed a bad idea? I think both XLRs as individual mono outs will be fine for your purposes unless you decide to use a stereo signal. Check the Output block to make sure the panning is centred. It breaks down with stereo which is when you would need the adapter in the L/Mono XLR output. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
datacommando Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 Surely, if your signal is mono, and you connect an XLR to both L/R outputs on the rear panel, the output is panned to the centre to signal should be the same on each. It only sums to mono if you only use the Left XLR. Also, as you can assign up to 4 outputs, you could split your mono path at the end to create a second XLR out option and then pan each hard right and left to suit. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
datacommando Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 On 6/28/2024 at 2:10 PM, boynigel said: okay, so is that to say that using the L and R XLR's as individual mono outs is indeed a bad idea? Hi, Once again, you seem to be overthinking things unnecessarily. Your original post gave the impression that this was for some very involved complex routing, but no, your soundman simply needs the same signal from 2 XLR out. Well. I have just opened up the studio and loaded a mono preset into my Helix with the XLRs going to my studio monitors, and guess what? Yep, the same mono audio goes out of both the left and right. The same is true if I split the path in two and pan each left and right. To put it simply, there doesn't appear to be any issue. Mountains and mole hills? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DunedinDragon Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 On 6/28/2024 at 8:46 AM, boynigel said: i've got a rehearsal tonight for which i'll be using IEM's for the first time. guy doing sound said he'll need two outs from my Helix, preferably XLR. i only mentioned "mono" because that's how all my patches are written. no stereo. His "preferably XLR" request is what prompted my question as to whether there's any reason why a L/mono 1/4" out, along with the L/mono XLR combination would be better for any reason. I'm just wondering if using the two XLR's together in mono would confuse the Helix in some weird way, making it look for a stereo signal that isn't there? It's probably fine but i wanted to check just in case, as i don't want any weirdness with my sound tonight. for whatever reason, he wants 2 feeds. that's all i can tell you unfortunately. Quite honestly that makes me suspicious of the skills of this sound guy, unless he's doing a submix from the main auxes into separate wireless IEM transmitters. Hopefully he got you guys setup correctly. But this would only be for his convenience in sending a stereo signal. Quite frankly I personally don't think he needs to encumber you with something he needs to complete his duties. If anyone should have some spare Aux out XLR cable splitters in his bag it should be him, not you. From your perspective it should all just be transparent and you do what you have always done and he can deal with getting the sound out appropriately. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theElevators Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 On 6/28/2024 at 9:10 AM, boynigel said: okay, so is that to say that using the L and R XLR's as individual mono outs is indeed a bad idea? If so, would utilizing the combination of the L/mono XLR, with the L/mono 1/4" be a better option until i can get my hands on that adapter? The cable that combines both left and right will make the output signal hotter. I tested this and saw much more distortion in my sound when doing the doubling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
datacommando Posted June 30 Share Posted June 30 On 6/29/2024 at 3:32 PM, theElevators said: The cable that combines both left and right will make the output signal hotter. I tested this and saw much more distortion in my sound when doing the doubling. Hi, That makes sense, apart from the original post was asking about taking a single XLR mono out and splitting that into two mono XLR out. ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
somebodyelse Posted July 1 Share Posted July 1 On 6/28/2024 at 3:34 AM, boynigel said: i need to send 2 mono outs from my LT. if all my patches are in mono, is there any reason why i still shouldn't use the L and R XLR outputs together? would i be better off using the L/mono XLR and the L/mono 1/4" instead? No. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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