clay-man

I care about what my guitar looks like, which is why I want a Telecaster Variax. What I don't care about, is to get pissy about an electric making acoustic sounds. They need to get used to it, because most live acoustics are electric anyways, because they use pickups, unless they somehow got a great mic setup for their guitar.

So I guess a piezo electric guitar would still make them whine even without the processor and motherboard stuff? I still want to know how many people whined when the electric guitar was invented. "Oh my god, that's not a guitar, stupid new technology!"

I had a ding in a fret on my variax. Filing and slight action adjustment fixed it for me. Still plays really nicely.

Haha, well, I guess the reason it sounded like a noise gate is because you had an actual noise gate! It's all good.

That's funny, because with the acoustic models on the Variax, it's honestly not that different from an electric acoustic with a piezo system. The only difference is that instead of an EQ on your guitar, a processor is shaping your signal for you. I haven't heard an electric acoustic guitar really sound as great as a Variax, and the Acoustic Variaxes sound even more amazing. A long time ago, I got bored and put acoustic strings on my electric, and the acoustic models sounded even more amazing (The electrics sounded weird though). Since it's not a magnetic pickup, you can use strings that aren't magneticly responsive. With the Variax Acoustic, they probably dedicated the programming more, and with using actual acoustic strings, you get even more close to sounding like an acoustic guitar. Either way, I don't see why a "traditionalist" would whine about using a Variax as an acoustic.

I heard graphtech pickups kill the piezo quack effect pretty good, but you got a JTV which is anywhere from hard to impossible to install without having a new bridge. It depends on the piezo pickup's quality. Most piezos are designed as acoustic pickups, but some companies do their best when designing the bridge to not just sound like an acoustic, but to improve all the characteristics. The JTV pickups are a huge step up from the Variax 1 pickups, but I think the graphtech ghost is probably the best you can get.

That would be hilarious if it really was Scott Grove. I wouldn't be surprised if he was one to talk trash about Variaxes. Either this guy is taking a long time, or he's a troll.

LOL I was going to ask that. I recently asked Grove how different materials and bodies don't matter when Line6's convolution testing obviously proves otherwise.

I made a topic about this a bit back on the other Variax forum. It is the quacky characteristics of piezo pickups. If you play hard enough, they'll start to sound a bit quacky. In some people's cases it's horrible, but that's if you have a defect in hardware/software. It is annoying, but try to adjust your playing to be a little bit softer.

It doesn't even have to be correct. My point is theory that's pointing out the reasons why Line6 shouldn't emulate short sustain on a Strat. If you're playing the Strat model through a Strat style guitar, then what's the point of lessening the sustain if the guitar you're playing is already a strat with short sustain? There's many variables that comes into play when it comes to sustain. Perhaps they're trying to emulate the specific sustain of the guitar they were modeling, but I still think it's pointless. The electric guitar models should just use the natural sustain, and not have a decay effect on it.

You're not amusing me. I have just stated by L6's logic that if a Strat has less sustain than an LP, then a 69 would have less sustain than a 59. I am not saying it does, but by that logic, it should. Now, please remove my avatar from yours and stop targeting me for harassment before I report your account for abuse.

You don't need to start harassing me. I like how you copied my avatar for no reason to troll me. Reported.

So it's a combination of A & B? I remember the LP model says it's emulating PAF pickups in the manual. It's nice to know though. I assume that a ghost system would reduce the piezo quack unless I got a bad set or installed it wrong. I would still appreciate if someone did hard picking on a generation 1 Variax with a ghost system though.

I just did...

Because Line6 assumes a strat has less sustain than a Les Paul. 69 = Strat style model 59 = LP style model Unless they have good hardware that doesn't kill sustain on the 69, by that logic, the 69 would have less sustain than the 59.

I never said that. One time they implied that an LP has more sustain than a Strat, which might be why people are hearing less sustain. Since the 69 is a strat model, and if strats really do have less sustain, that means the modeling of less sustain, plus real less sustain of a 69 = really low sustain. It's a bad idea to emulate decay levels of electric guitars. No one wants that. People want the longest sustain. The reason why the Banjo calls for it, is because the sustain is generally extremely short on a banjo compared to a guitar, so it calls for it, or else it wouldn't sound like a Banjo. Guitar sustain has a lot of variables, and we shouldn't assume all strats will have bad sustain and emulate that. Like we said, if they DID put a decay system in the strat and other electrics, they should allow you to disable it in workbench.

It really doesn't make sense to add an ADSR decay system to the Strat. What if people are using a 69? That's already a strat style guitar. That would mean the 69's lesser sustain and the decay system = incredibly small sustain. They shouldn't put a decay effect on the electric guitars. The only model that calls for a decay system is a banjo because it's supposed to have short sustain/decay fast.

I suggest people post clips to try to show the event in action. I've heard about them talk on a video about "notice how the LP has more sustain", but I was hoping they just mean because the LP is louder than a strat, so it appears to have more sustain. (Fake sustain) That was like in 1.7 firmware though. Like I said, if it does have some sort of decay effect in the Strat and other guitars, I really do think Line6 should fix that.

If you mean lag from alt tuning, that will never happen, sorry. They can reduce it, but not completely. Latency and Quality balance eachother out when it comes to pitch shifting technology. Now here's what I suggest: End alt tuning warble, PLEASE. Hammer ons/Pull offs above the 12th fret are annoying and almost impossible.

I highly suggest if Line6 added an ADSR system to the electric guitar models just because "A Strat usually has less sustain than a Les Paul" and stuff like that, that we strongly suggest they remove it or have an option to turn it off in Workbench. It's fine when it's something that calls for it, like the Banjo model, but when it comes to an electric guitar, sustain loss shouldn't be "emulated". Sustain is determined by many factors, so making it so that the strat model has bad sustain isn't a good idea at all.

Seriously? I use XP though.

I've heard someone complain about the decay effect on strat models. I honestly don't think Line6 should model the sustain on a guitar, besides the banjo model.

It took me a while to care about the jazz guitars, because that wasn't my main interest before, but now I love it. The alt tuning knob on the JTV is very helpful, because on my 600, I have to waste spaces on the model banks just for alt tunings. Instead of wasting banks for the exact same guitar but alt tuned, you can just use the knob, and have a lot more tunings that way. The capo feature is also really handy if you want to set a tuning quickly without messing with stuff in workbench. Really great for live application. This is just me talking in theory though, since I don't have a JTV.

Nice, so I was kinda right. I thought you meant JTV specifically. :P The modeling is the same I think on a 1.7 JTV and an old Variax. I think the only things that have been changed is some of the behaviors and features, especially the alt tuning, but I think the modeling part is the same. It sounds good. I think both of them are great, but I like how the new acoustics actually try to get a straight up mic'd sound.

The thing about the Variax is that it does use an ADSR system, at least on some models, though it might be more of just decay if anything. Like the Banjo, it uses a decay system to make the notes short like a Banjo. I also believe they might be using an ADSR system to address the palm muting issue. The problem is that when they do this, they need to do it without making the guitar glitch out. Luckily they have a 6 pickup system so they can apply the effect to each string. I think the piezos are alright, and it helps if you're using high quality piezos, which is what the JTV kind of does against the old Variaxes. The whole point of using piezos though is because it's ideal for modeling. I've seen a video about someone discussing how piezos have a flat and large frequency response compared to magnetics. It's almost like monitoring headphones but with guitar strings, if that makes any sense. This is appropriate because that's exactly what you'll want when it come to processing something through pickup algorithms.convolutions, is that you'll want the rawest form of input from your strings you can get, else you'd lose character in the strings and not be able to model them correctly. It does become a problem though when the behavior is a little off. Luckily Line 6 has helped it by combining the best piezo pickups they can get, with programming the sounds just right.