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  1. For myself, I have not played in a venue large enough (never more than 400 person capacity) that would allow such a volume where no stage sound is present out front. If you want to use the board for a complete sound check, you will need to consider stage sound (but I completely agree that the band with the quietest stage sound, will have the best front end sound). We play in a situation where everyone has a pretty good quality sound on stage, and we use the sound check to tweak sound a bit out front, but even moreso to check levels. I love to be able to sit out front, and solo the instruments to get a good sound. But playing it back as a recording, you will find (or extremely likely to find unless all are "direct in" instruments) that the vocals are much louder than the rest of the band. Due to the fact that during playback, you have no stage volume. I made this mistake ONCE. We all listened and said "great, but vocals are loud". So we mixed them in and went home. Came back to start show, and vocals were too quiet out front. So now, because I sing, play bass, and do the sound, I do the sound check standing out front while recording, and only get on stage to be sure that some of my vocals are recorded too (I am not lead singer on all songs). Then, when I know levels are ok, I use the recording to tweak sounds, in two steps. I mute the vocals and get the instruments mixed and sounding well (but usually it is already ok as I do this during the live sound check) and then I mix my voice to the level of the other singer. Vocals are much louder than the rest of the band, but I know they are the right level. Now that I have already done this, our sound checks take about 5min of the bands time. As long as we have signal from everyone, that's all I need to know. I use the same recording now for any venue.
  2. I have only recorded two shows. I didn't stop the recording. I just turned off the board and then ejected the card. I did happen to save a scene, and set up. My recordings were perfect. All channels. Some plugged into 1-6 and some plugged in to 7-12. But again,I was not recording the main outs.
  3. I agree with having had no problems. But, I have not included the main outs in my recordings. Sounds like that is when the issue occurs.
  4. I completely agree. Personally, I have only used a parametric eq, and it was only 4 bands, and have not had any problems. But I have listened to many wish they had a graphic eq. Guess I was speaking for them. For us, if we still have problems with feed back after getting a decent sound in the monitor, we generally look toward the guitar player and he knows it is time to turn down!
  5. We had our second show with the M20D. A much better experience. Actually, a very good experience. All went well. Our best kick sound ever has been with this mixer. Acoustic guitar is great too. And electric. Actually, all is good, but I did have to use the deep tweak on the vocals. I am sure the sweet spot is there somewhere in the XY plot, but it was a little quicker to do manually for the tone. Maybe because of all the things I was happy with on our previous mixer, was the vocals. We always got compliments on the clarity or those. But kick and bass I always struggled with. We do a second show tonight at the same venue. And set up will be a breeze. Actually, should be non existent. Just power up and go! Every show will only be easier. Now that we have a great starting point. We use a driverack PA+ so once we tune our system to whatever room we are in (most of them are saved already) I expect quick and easy sound check. Thank you Line 6!
  6. The advantage of 1/3 oct GEQ over 6 band parametric, especially when using on stage monitors, is being able to notch out a narrow (1/3oct) frequency when feedback is a problem. With a 6 band, you have just that, 6 bands or areas to notch out. But the lower you make the Q setting, the more you are going to affect your overall sound. With the feedback detection in the channel as well, hopefully it isn't an issue anyway. I know when I had a 1/3oct GEQ on my monitors, we never used it. We did fine just eqing the monitor with the parametric EQ (4 band).
  7. Wow. I didn't completely understand myself. What a great feature. Especially for vocals. Thanks for that description.
  8. I think we are. Would be nice to have 32 band eq for monitors and FOH. For me, it is not much of a problem on monitors, and i use a DBX for FOH. But I do understand, and I wouldn't think it would be too hard to add. But I am not a programmer.
  9. My first experience with the M20D was good, but a bit of a rough start. The drummer and I showed up early and played around with the settings. I play bass and do lots of vocals. We got a great kick sound and a good bass sound to compliment it. Not too hard, and not much time put on. Probably our best kick sound to date! I used the male vocal preset with reverb. I then tweaked around and played with effects. We got a decent sound. As I mentioned before, I moved from the Studiolive 16.4.2 to the M20D. Mostly for size. I was going to go with the 16.0.2 but decided to give the M20D a shot because I like the technology. So although we did get a better kick sound (due to the fact I think that we don't run gear, and have probably never used a compressor properly, or even got the frequencies quite right), but were able to quickly dial this in. The vocals sounded good too, but not really any better than with the studiolive. We have received many compliments, as a user stated above, on crisp, and clean vocal sounds with our 16.4.2. I then set up our lead vocalist with the "female with reverb" preset She wasnt there at the time, and as she usually shows up about 20min before we start, she also wasn't present for a decent sound check. But I quickly dialled in her acoustic guitar (very good sound and fast!) and her voice. Done. 10min break. First song starts. Not enough vocal once the stage volume all kicked in so i turn them up. And then it happens. Feedback and pretty bad. Couldn't get rid of it. We use a DBX unit with filters set, and M20D feedback filters running. The vocals had to be reduced to a level that was too quiet to hear properly before the feedback stopped. and we aren't that loud of a band. I took off all effects and reverb but it was still there. I then remembered I used the vocal presets with reverb, so I quickly changed presets to vocals without reverb. And it was gone and we were able to get the vocals well on top again. And then, I was able to add some reverb from the global effects and even a bit of delay. And the rest of the night was awesome. It was one of those "panic modes" so I can't even say what it was, or if it was only front end, or monitors too. But in the end it was good. We have played that room a few times before this. It is lots of wood and carpet and always a good sound. Old pub style place. I don't know why this happened, but definitely seemed reverb related. And I wouldn't say it was a lot of reverb as I don't much care for too much reverb. Or delay. Anyway, considering it was out of the box, and on the stage, it went pretty good. We also did it at this venue because we have always done well there and have quite a following in that end of town. So really, I don't think it would be remembered if you asked someone there. One thing to mention that did impress me. It is an old pub, so old power. We had everything in one outlet on a power bar. The main power bar switch was tripped FOUR times that night. We didn't let it bother us as we discussed with management many times and told them it may be a problem. Anyway, when that happens with a studiolive, you get a few good pops when the board powers up again. IF it powers up again. The M20D takes about 20 seconds to completely get back up, but it does it silently. However it is set up internally, it is done right! No problems audio wise. I will be using it in a two night gig this weekend again. I expect better results and a great night of sound. I can definitely see this board needing less and less work with each gig. But you know what would make it really great.....an app for the iPhone or iPod to control individual monitor mixes. My band misses that. They don't want to all go buy iPads. But the drummer plans to.
  10. No, I think that is what it needs. Just the signal sent. I am using a Boss FS-5U and it worked flawlessly. No problems at all. You do not have to keep your foot on it. Press and release.
  11. It was a latching switch. Picked up a proper, "momentary" switch and all is good. Thanks,
  12. In the meantime, I have heard of a USB hub working on these boards. I am a new user and have only done one show with it, but did use the USB to Ethernet adapter and an airport express router. We plugged our USB stick that has a backing track we use, and between sets music, into the USB slot on the adapter. Basically, a hub. No problem reading from it and it also showed up as an option for recording to. I used the SD card, but could have used the USB stick.
  13. My first show with the m20d is tonight. I am looking forward to it. We generally have good sound, and in general, the m20d is replacing my studiolive 16.4.2. But we are playing a small pub tonight where we usually use the drummers old Samson 8 channel board. And acoustically, the bar is good. What I am looking forward to is the simplicity. And the ability to use this board anywhere we play due to the small footprint! Which is why we never use the studiolive at this location. I loved my studiolive, but, only used it for live over the past 3 years, and it is just too big. I have big expectations of this board doing everything I really need from a live board. Will update how it went.
  14. I agree. I guess i have fat fingers because it is tough to get the bottom row in place! Maybe a stylus?
  15. The one I was given says "traynor" on it. I assume from an amp, which would make me think it is a latch. I don't know my switches, but a latching stays on with a click until you click it again? Momentary stays on only for the "moment" it is depressed? Hence the names? Would a sustain pedal from an electronic keyboard be more what I need? I think my salesman got it wrong? Thanks,
  16. I have hooked up a momentary foot switch to my m20d. But it takes two clicks to activate any selection. I use it to start a backing track. Click one, nothing, click two starts, click three, nothing, click four, stops. What am I overlooking here? I have tried a couple different switches, and I was told they are "momentary" switches.
  17. One other question. We often use a snake on larger stages just to bring s Inputs closer to other side of stage. If I plug an 8 channel snake into the M20D, and don't use all the inputs, does the board think there are things plugged in even if there is no instrument connected to the other end? Easier way to phrase the question is: if I plug in an xlr cord, does the board recognize it right away, or only when an instrument or mic is plugged into the other end? Soon, I will be able to answer these questions myself when my board arrives to test out. Thanks,
  18. Ok. Thanks. I was wondering about sliding the screen or something. Because even 12 knobs isn't enough for the inputs. I can't see anything about this board that will make me regret this purchase and giving up my presonus 16.4.2. i love it, bit it is big and I am not a soundman. I am a guy in the band that does our sound. I may miss the 6 aux outs, but I went for years in the analog world sharing one or two aux mixes for the entire band. We can work with 4 no problem. At present, we use 3. Think the M20D will ever be expandable? Is there room or an input for that?
  19. Hi, I have just ordered my M20D and I a, looking forward to it. I have been using the studiolive 16.4.2 and purchased it before the 16.0.2 or the M20D came out. I find it way too big for m gigs (footprint). Was going to downsize to the 16.0.2 then discovered the M20D. And I ordered one! I have been doing lots of reading, and have a question about subgroups. I see they are easy enough to create by selecting an open control, and assigning. But what if you have all 12 mic inputs used, which is when I would likely want a subgroup? Like I said, I don't have on in my hands yet, but it seems there would be no open controller as there are only 12 of them? Is it still possible? Thanks,
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