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Nothing has changed. If anyone is interested writing a program for it, go for it! Could be fun learning experience for someone, could turn out to be a useful app for some. But. Topic was discussed about like 8 months ago, so apparently very little user interest... How many people 1) own Pod Go and 2) what % of them would be interested in the app? And again, realistically, what % of Helix patches would be convertible to Pod Go? I would question the pertinence of the app given the complexity and limitations of Go.. Btw, we're really talking weeks of full time work here for a decent tool, so basically paying for a meal or a coffee, or I don't know what is 'nominal' in terms of $$$ exactly, would be a tiny amount compared to the work. Well yeah as I stated I was impressed by the leg work... Reverse engineering code or format is hard work. But L6 could simply release the info... But even if it did release its doc for the 2 formats, you'd still have tons of issues to solve... Like again DSP, a user went to the trouble to calculate the costs, it's available, could be used, but integrating it in a user friendly way would be a real challenge. But even if you solved it, still the # of blocks, lack of dual path, missing effects, etc., Is it really worth the effort? The Pod Go isn't getting any younger. I would have no use for such an app, would a lot of people? I think there already exists other tools which do so much better; doesn't BOSS or something have a sort of tone clone where it'll listen to a song and just 100% replicate the tone? There's already a visualizer for Helix patches.. But yeah, think the issue would be that the usefulness of the tool would be very limited, given that likely most Helix patches simply won't fit or won't make any sens on the Pod Go... But, maybe I'm wrong! :)

There's plenty of free IRs out there, so I would start off with that rather than buying anything. Search for IR in this forum, I created a thread where there are I think nearly 100 free patches to try. Also, upcoming Go patch might contain re-vamped Cabs, so, unless you need IR packs right now, could wait, or just use free patches in the meanwhile.

How many though? It would take a lot of people paying 'nominal' (5? 10? 20? 50? 100?) fees to pay for the dev hours for such a project. The other big problem would be working around the PGO limitations, not sure what would be the value of such converter in most cases; unless the majority of Helix patches are small and simple enough so that the Go can support them; meaning; DSP, single path, existing effects, etc., the value of partially importing a patch might be marginal, as some patches might not entirely work, or work at all, without all the blocks... And yeah, you would need to factor DSP limitations, blocks, etc. So there would have to surely be some user input; ex; - 2 paths detected, choose path to use [ ] cab1 -> effect 1 -> effect2 -> effect 3 [x] cab2 -> effect 4 -> effect 5 Too many blocks for Go, choose 4 effects to keep - Distortion1 - Distortion2 - Reverb1 - Reverb2 - Chorus1 - Chorus2 - Delay1 Too much DSP for Go, choose 1 effect to remove - Distortion1 - Reverb1 - Chorus1 - Delay1 ... So yeah, maybe you'd want to have some built-in alternative effects/presets to mitigate the non-existing PGO effects... Anyway, really not sure there would be enough PGO users to either fund or develop the feature..

Over the regular cabs I guess? "Thousands of impulses were captured with Sound Design's all new IR capture system and consolidated into 20 guitar cabs and 4 bass cabs.". Sounds like yeah they're 'selling' IRs as configurable 'cabs'; as in; you're basically end up using an IR when using the cabs... Guess it's good for people who were using the current cabs... But I'm guessing that if you're already using IRs, you won't gain much by going 'new' IR cab, maybe tweakability vs simple IRs. What would be really interesting is if they brought the dual cabs to the Go, but I'm guessing this takes advantage of the Helix dual paths, unless, they were built in the new IR cab system, but yeah I don't think so, as that would exponentially increase the number of required IRs... So yeah I guess the only way to get dual cabs in Go would be using IRs, as it very likely won't be included in Go? I've really not seen many dual IRs packs/downloads... But maybe they wouldn't be too difficult to generate via Audacity or the such? If IRs are simple .wavs, generating a dual cab IR would simply be adding the two waves together and then halving amplitude? You'd basically get the average of both IRs. If you wanted, you could also mix 60/40 or 70/30 % for left/right channels, which might give interesting stereo results. Am I misunderstanding the concept of IRs or wouldn't this be incredibly interesting for Pod Go users?

Meh... Seems a bit bland... Really like a more subtle / low CPU option; like something you'd put on a patch where you don't really want to hear a reverb but do want a reverb so it doesn't sound dry... In my experience, the fancy reverbs eat the DSP, but looking at the DSP usage, even the cheaper ones are 13.19%, so yeah even these are a bit expensive, if it's much cheaper than that.. Might unlock other previously impossible combinations.. But looking at Helix %, it's 13.33%, so compared to those same reverbs, they're showing 6.55% for Helix, so basically, it won't be cheaper, it'll be twice the cost of most reverbs, but being dynamic reverb, it'll probably have better quality. So it's really not a cheap option... Well not cheap as per saving DSP for reverbs, but cheap as per a a cheap 'dynamic' reverb... So yeah, I'm back to "Meh"...

Ha.. As a reminder, what were the big 3.5 upcoming changes again? Dual cabs? Were these likely go to in the go? https://line6.com/support/page/kb/effects-controllers/helix/helix-350-release-notes-r1003/ Some new Moon Amp, couple effects, I'd be mostly interested in "Dynamic Ambience (Mono, Stereo), Line 6 Original ambience reverb. At less extreme settings can be used to "open up" the sound of your amp without applying a notable reverb effect. Also utilizes less DSP than other Dynamic reverbs." In the meanwhile, does anybody know of good dual cab IRs? Think I've read about'em, but haven't really gotten a set of them, if they exist... Might be a good compromise in the meanwhile, if the dual cabs ever get released to Go..! Thanks for the info!

Both Pod Go and PGEdit up to date? Does the issue occur only when you edit the patches directly on Pod Go or just pod go edit? If you plug in headphones do you have the same issue? Lastly, "only a reverb pedal, or delay pedal became the controller for volume". Is it a particular reverb and a particular delay that controls the volume? What happens if you change them for a different reverb or delay? What if you create a new patch? Depending on your answers to the above, seems like a corrupted PGO, would contact Line6.. :\

try contacting line6 support, this is a user forum that line6 doesn't at least officially monitor.

This. IMHO, not the right unit if you wanted simplicity. Looking at the L6 products doesn't seem like any would really fit, think Zoom and others have simpler units, but likely not the strength of the Go. Maybe something like Boss GT-1 Guitar Multi-effects Pedal would have been simpler, albeit, definitely drawbacks such as sound quality, probably no downloadable patches, etc. Go Strengths: - Quality of effects: Fantastic emulation of amps, reverb effects, all kinds of pedals, etc. - Flexibility & tweakability: Probably lot better than most cheaper / other FX pedals. - Price, features, color screen, etc. Weakness: - Complexity; lots of effects with TONS of parameters, really hard to know what param does what - Cab/mic system; better to get "the best IR in the world"; fantastic alternative to cab/mic IMHO, YMMV - Limited blocks Another alternative could have been something like one of those 'portable' amps; Positive Grid, Yamaha THR, etc., but they don't really do what the Go does. And not same form factor. In the end, hte Go is a great unit, IMHO, but it's not 'simple'. It's simple enough as per it's easy enough to learn the basics, but if you're a sort of tweaker that can get overwhelmed by options, you can dive really really deep... But in the end, it's worth the effort. As you can really get incredible results from it. So you likely 'overbought'; you bought something 'too good' for a beginner player, but you bought something which has incredible potential and will likely get years and years of use, where the product will be limited by the user, not vice versa.

Not really sorry, might eventually try something but as I said sounds fine to me, ex; https://youtu.be/Hnco7JtYK7k?t=1020 But yeah, correct me if I'm wrong, but initially now so some are fine, some are noticeable others horrendous. Maybe someone else can chime in, but I think it's safe to accept that for instance, colordrive is horrible when used with a clean amp used on the edge of breakup. But that may very well not be its intended purpose. So it may not be a reasonable expectation that all drives are usable for that particular usage... Rereading z3albw1rr's comment, he explains many aspects of distortions and such. The clip above about the Heir Apparent, personally, love it, and don't hear any issue really. Will it work with 100% settings and 100% amps and sound perfect with all guitars & all? Maybe not... Can you find use cases where it can sound bad? I'm guessing sure, you're saying it's 'noticeably' 'bad' ... Maybe it's just not the right OD/distortion for your intended purpose? The Valve Driver is "obviously brittle"; it's the #3 in the previous clip; https://youtu.be/Hnco7JtYK7k?t=750 Sounds fine to me...? (maybe not 100% Go vs Helix, but should be very close..) Scream808 is #2 https://youtu.be/Hnco7JtYK7k?t=522 So yeah maybe you're more looking for particular 'great' drives for as you say; edge of breakup? Rather then all od pedals 'having issues' because they don't work as you would expect for this particular case? not saying there's no issue... Or that you're not correct in your 'quest' to get to the bottom of it! Just that... The issue seems a bit like a 'special case' ... Reminds me of the old: “The patient says, "Doctor, it hurts when I do this." The doctor says, "Then don't do that!”

yep, same problem but Silverhead's seems like a good solution/compromise!

I played a little bit with the Colordrive (Based on: Colorsound® Overdriver), and like you describe it's a 'funky' overdrive/fuzz/whatever, weird sort of tremolo effect, distorts weird, when volume goes down there's like a sort of 'wall' where volume drops significantly, some weird clipping sound as per your clip. Really seems to be like the odd one out as it doesn't behave like a normal boost/overdrive. If it's not the real pedal, maybe that L6 model is just funky. Honestly, not something that I think is usable with a clean amp, but looking at the original colorsound overdriver, every clip I've found have had the amp's drive so that the tone is not clean. So maybe it's just not made to match with a clean amp. Or maybe like I said L6 model just plain sucks... So it looks like you found maybe THE worst overdrive in the Pod Go. ;) I kid I kid, maybe others are worse, I don't know, I just tend to use the ones that sound good to my ears! Like the Minotaur (Klon), Heir Apparent (Analogman Prince of Tone), deranged master for heavy stuff, etc. There's quite a few great ones in there! Do you have issues with the 'good' overdrives / distortion too ? Which 'good' overdrive sounds 'bad'? [edit] For your patch just putting the kinky drive before the colordrive improves things drastically, your scenario is basically the worst, putting it after the colordrive makes its 'defects' sound worse!

Yep the DI sounded perfect. I think the clipping might be entirely natural, there are multiple forms of distortion, and all distort the signal in different ways, they may also distort differently at different volumes, that's entire how say tube distortion sounds; play softly and it's clean, but play hard and it'll distort. So a power chord will go from loud and distorted, to soft and clean. So likely entirely normal that different distortions distort different ways; think even considered superior to have pedals that behave like tube distortion; so not 'linear' distortion; sort of variable depending on signal. So yeah no idea if the colordrive is accurate or not.. Could be.. no idea..! Also L6 often does not try to make 'optimal' pedals, amps, cabs, etc., but reproduce the characteristics of existing gear, very possible that there are artifacts; which is just the 'signature' of the gear.. But I think... Isolating blocks without cab/IR... I don't think you should expect that it should sound 'good'... Like I tried no cab/IR to output to speaker and it just sounds horrible, I really think this is normal behaviour; I would say that PGO distortion for instance, should definitely sound good with cab/IR, as used normally... But to go back to your initial issue, you find that Go effects sound "weird, brittle, digital distortion"? Have you tried the same process you're doing with a real distortion pedal to compare with Go? Or with other units? Like other brands? It's possible that other digital processing pedals don't behave exactly the same as Go too, and sound 'better', but that might not be something as accurate as Go if that makes any sense! But I'm pretty sure you'd get very similar results with real pedals! That said, I did see some complaints about Helix not being 100% 'digital sound' free as others; like vs real gear, or Kemper or Cortex or whatnot. Maybe you're just more sensitive and have better hearing; more sensitive to that digital sound, where other people don't pick up on it. To be frank, I'm somewhat an audio-hobbyist, lots of fancy headphones, speakers, etc., and do love great sound... But I can't say I have complaints vs Go; to my ear just sound great... But others claim to hear that digital-ness. Who knows! :D

Are you using an amp block or IR? In your 1st and 3rd clip almost sounds like you're not. It's pretty essential that you do, or that at least you integrate some sort of IR/cab during your process. Also sounds like you're clipping the signal, is your master & channel volumes both maxed or something? Amp Channel volume is 'clean', so does not alter sound character in anyway, basically your volume knob, try lowering it and see if it makes a difference. Your clips do seem to sound exceptionally bad. Not exactly sure how you managed to get the Go to sound like that! And when you say "DI signal"... Are you getting the same results when plugging directly your guitar? Might have to do with input levels also, if the signal you feed the Go is too hot, maybe that causes your issue? Maybe trying lowering the volume your DI signal, or lowering the input block volume / noise gate block in your Go, again seeing if it improves things.

Hehe ok edited! ;) I definitely removed the offending snapshot on the spot. But it's fairly easy to reproduce I believe; 1) create a patch with a clean-ish amp, putting the drive & Master volume low to get a clean sound, Ch.volume high to offset. 2) create a snapshot where a) turns on distortion and compression pedal, as well as reverb/delay b) boost the distortion & compression pedals's volume to hit the amp hard c) max the amp's drive & master volume, reduce ch.volume to offset d) change lots of pedal parameters, as to have many snapshot parameters changed with snapshot 3) reduce your physical pod go volume, cover your ears, play a power chord, switch snapshot like I said, pretty sure Go changes the settings sequentially, and actually, thinking about it, the more snapshot parameters you have configured, the more this switching will take time, and the greater the chance to get severe volume discrepancy. The snapshot patch I had had plenty of snapshot settings; probably 30ish as it really went from clean to dirty and also from slight 'room' reverb/delay to epic and grandiose overwhelmingly awesome reverb/delay. [edit] So to minimize this sound explosion; don't mess with volume levels with snapshots.. ex; attempting to hit amp hard & boost amp drive bit dangerous [edit2] reworked test case

https://helixhelp.com/models?categoryId=6 https://dshowmusic.com/line-6-helix-effect-models "line 6 original" Just means that it's not based on existing hardware; so L6 created it, so no real details about them like there is for the new firmware effects.. comment on 2nd link says: Glitz = Strymon big sky bloom Ganymede = BSS RV6 modulated Searlights = Strymon Big Sky Cloud Double Tank = Strymon Big Sky Plate Mod Plateaux = Strymon Big Sky Shimmer FWIW, IMHO, etc.etc. the Go can already do so much.. With the new dynamic reverbs, with the modulated delays, don't forget that you can stack delays and reverbs together, I've been having fun stacking Delay + reverb + reverb, really, the possibilities are endless. You do have to compromise on amp/distortion/compressor/etc., but you can certainly make it work! # of reverbs is crazy, quality is really really good. IMHO, it's all about knowledge; so before buying anything, I'd just make sure you've gotten a good grasp of the current effects, quite a few resources.. But yeah, before you're familiar with all of them, and have experimented with matching delays and reverbs, I definitely would not get yet another reverb!!! LOL You can probably replicate or come close to most things out there now. Btw that sounds quite a bit to me like the dynamic hall reverb! But according to earlier quoted comment, might be closer to the double tank as the Strymon seems to be what it's most compared with, but I'm not really hearing it, for some reason, the DT is not my favorite PGo reverb!

weird coincidence, was about to comment yesterday on how it was a bit archaic to just reproduce mics / cabs, as per 2023 modeler, you'd think that rather than restricting users to existing cabs and mics, they'd offer more options and flexibility. As in; if you've got a physical cab with a speaker, you can't really tweak it. But since we're in virtual world, no reason why you couldn't tweak cabs, or start with base, neutral-tone-ish virtual cab and tweak it to get your own personal ideal sounding cab. But I was struggling to find exact settings to define what I had in mind as per settings, so just deleted that bit. Well, looks like Fractal and I have similar minds;

Subjective innit? Issue is that people like different things and what they play, the way they play and what guitar they are using has a MASSIVE effect on whether you'll like a preset or not. But just listening to the presets when a good guitarist is playing, would you really say that they're that awful? Ex: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5V6-nCYt88A&t=46s To me, all honesty, they all sound pretty great. But yeah, myself, with my guitars, playing style and all, also think most are awful, few gems in there though! What I'd love, to have say more themed and tweaked preset packs; like a classic rock (majority of presets I think already), lead, metal, etc., and maybe a pack for humbuckers, etc. BUT, you can kinda get that from user packs downloaded from teh interwebs, sooo... Maybe L6 could invest for better presets, not a big deal in the end.. The presets can be altered by the user...? So you have 256 'banks' where you can save a sound. If it's just terminology Are you really going to have 128 patches for live and 128 patches for studio? IF you really wanted to improve, functionality with more than 2 folders, where you can name the folders and move patches around would be great. Main issue with Go is navigating 100+ list of items. Less of an issue with PG Edit, but within Go, it is an issue as it's just tedious. Having a better way to order and group items and patches would be a plus. Yeah the cab/mic block of the Go IMHO was always tedious. Too many options, too hard to wrap your head around; even today, for me I've gotten a couple IRs, they mostly don't sound great to my ears, little bit about the same as cab/mic block; Issue here imho is a bit the 'culture'. PGO/Helix cab/mic seems aimed towards experienced studio musicians/engineers, who are familiar with cabs, mics and recording. The average Joe has no chance. Sure, easy to randomly just pick stuff that sounds ok; possible to read articles and threads about what are the better mics and the better cabs for what type of sound. But all of it is just tedious. It's overwhelming. Too many cabs, mics, combinations, etc. Same goes for hunting for IRs, downloaded I don't know 200 IRs and 99% of the time I just use the Best IR in the world. BOSS Katana for instance has a sort of amp/cab combo for 'brown sound' and I don't know what else. To me, that's a way better system for new and amateur players. Adding it maybe 1-2 dozen of great IRs representing the different sorts of sound representative of the different genres would be great. But that's not even required really. If say you could choose from 'cab' 3 blocks: 1) Cab/mic 2) IR 3) Classic sounds The 3rd simply be a normal cab/mic preset, for a particular kind of sound, à la BOSS, that would be a HUGE help for amateurs. So could be edited teh same way, but just give you 'better'/real examples of common usage. So ex; You'd choose the Voodoo Cab, and it would be the Hendrix Amp + mic.. Choose the Numb and comfortable Cab, and it would be Gilmour's, hiwaat with I don't know what mic settings. Same config page as cab+mics, just presets

Think it has more to do with the potentiometer than the wattage. With real electronics, sometimes 3/10 is really loud vs other times you have to get to 6/10 to get the same volume, and sometimes going form 7-10 yields barely noticeable volume increase vs giant increase. Doesn't really have to do with watts, just the way the volume works. Of course more watts has the potential to play louder, but the volume increase won't be directly correlated to the watts, ex; a 100 watt won't be 10x louder than a 10 watt, maybe I dunno like twice as loud; and yeah I think L6 tried to reproduce more how the original amp controls work, rather than having some sort of normalized volume for different amps. But yeah I'm guessing that at the same time, at max volume, all amps should have similar volume outputted from the Go, like I wouldn't make much sense if you required a 100W amp to get decent volume out of the Go!

Jesus...! Pod Go just exploded in my face. I was playing with Snapshots, basically had 4 snapshots based on the Revv Red channel, 1-3 were very heavy distortion, some metal and lead tones, and the 4th had a clean tone. So basically 0 distortion and pumped up volumes on the IR, reverb, etc., to get similar volume between snapshots. Once I get something half decent, saved, and then... I had the misfortune to switch back to snapshot 1 and it literally exploded in my face. The volume literally jumped from 3 to 100 for a sec...! Almost gave me a heart attack... That volume jump was CRAZY LOUD...!!! My ears are still ringing... So that's how it is huh? PGO doesn't change all the snapshot parameters at once, it does it sequentially and during that time, you can get all sorts of nonsense happening as it's switching snapshots? Any advice or rules as to avoid this occurring again? I'm guessing it might be far worse depending on individual settings or amps... The more variation in parameter settings the bigger the 'in between' garbage can be... Really surprised I've never seen this brought up in the past. It's a pretty darn big issue with snapshots... I mean, the snapshots are a workaround for the gap when switching patches, but they've got their limitative set of shortcomings also... That's a pretty big one, as snaphots aren't really as seamless as they should, and yeah honestly, that could damage speakers and the such. Not to mention if it happened live for some reason..! (and to be clear, none of the snapshots were actually loud, just the in-between non-existent snapshot settings were incredibly loud..)

If your monitors and your Go are connected to your PC you can output the sound of your Pod Go via the PC to your Monitors; using DAW; Audacity, Garageband or something of the such. Have you tried this? Does it sound the same? Does it sound anything like this or not? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5V6-nCYt88A You could also try to use headphone out with adapter to Adams using unbalanced, see if it does a difference..

Yeah a lot of people will act like 12 year old girls and buy all sorts of products their idols are selling, so you really have to be careful not to fall in the fanboy/fangirl trap, be it that your idol is a rock star, a boy band group, a teacher, a company, etc. So in your particular case, I think you should question the inherent value of choosing a product based on your idol's merch. It might seem super exciting to you to sound like your favourite guitar player, but that won't happen by buying a pedal or a bunch of patches. So I'd just cross that off the equation. But hey, maybe that's really important for you, and if that's the only option you have to get specific sounds... It may still warrant buying a Pod Go. YMMV. As for which processor to buy... It's really a personal choice, really depends on your personal taste & requirements . You really have to do your homework, there's already a bunch of threads here discussing, there's lots of comparisons on YT, and like you said, every new unit on the market will have some hype attached to it which you have to try to ignore, and the worse, lots of paid reviews where shills are literally paid to give a great review for a product...! Doesn't necessarily means that it's a bad product, just that you can't really trust everything you read or hear. Besides wanting to buy the patches, what are you looking for? What are your specific requirements/uses? What do you think your 500 is lacking? What are you trying to improve?

I've seen some pics where people were using some sort of tiny flexible led; something like this would likely do the trick; https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005005019902194.html or this https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005003251345187.html

Yeah so 'small' weakness of PGO; as mentioned when switching preset, there's a cut out in the sound, something like 1/3 second, plus the delays/reverbs cut out... You can configure 'snapshots', allows you to change parameters of your blocks (ex; distortion pedal, amp drive (ex; drive 3 -> 10), reverb mix/time/etc), but you're not allowed to change blocks themselves, nor their order. But, then there's no sound cut out and the delays and reverb carries. So if you're using an amp which can go from clean to dirty, or a distortion pedal, you can use snapshot to go from lead to clean and whatnot. But yeah, that limitation is something I think many of its competitors do not have.