wah engaging by itself?

[AlexKenivel]

I have a switch less wah in a few of my presets that are set to activate as soon as the built-in expression pedal leaves the toe position. The problem is is that I'm finding that they come on by themselves While I'm not even touching the pedal. I did adjust the tension of the pedal this morning, making it slightly looser. I thought this might be the problem, but I've lowered the engaging position to 95%, left the room, and came back to find it engaged again!

 

I'll keep investigating but has anyone else experienced anything similar?

[phil_m]

Are you seeing the position parameter on the wah changing when this happens?

[AlexKenivel]

Thanks Phil, the couple times it did this I was in the next room from my helix (using a relay G10) so I wasn't looking.

 

My time is divided this morning so I havent had time to sit and keep a closer eye on things.

 

My unit is still running as we speak so I'll go check it again in a few minutes.

 

Edit: nothing has changed and the wah is still off. I'm going to try to put the position back to 99 and see if it happens again

[ricksteruk]

Do you have a cat :)

[AlexKenivel]

Do you have a cat :)

Solved!

 

No, it hasn't happened again though...

[AlexKenivel]

Okay it happened again while I was in the next room, like last time. The first thing I did was run over to my helix and joysticked over to my wah block.

 

What I found was the position on the display was at 1% while the physical expression pedal itself was all the way at the toe position.

[AlexKenivel]

My helix expression pedal seems to be switching between showing just EXP 1 to showing both 1 and 2.

[HonestOpinion]

My helix expression pedal seems to be switching between showing just EXP 1 to showing both 1 and 2.

 

See this thread, it is a bug in the conversion process for presets from a prior firmware version. http://line6.com/support/topic/24048-fw-210-expression-pedal-question/page-1

[AlexKenivel]

I tried the unplugging the guitar input and sticking it into the optional exp input quite a few times and it always reverts back when I change snapshot (and yes, I saved)

[phil_m]

I tried the unplugging the guitar input and sticking it into the optional exp input quite a few times and it always reverts back when I change snapshot (and yes, I saved)

You have to do the process for every snapshot in the preset. If you do it to one and go back to that without doing the others, it won't stick.

[AlexKenivel]

You have to do the process for every snapshot in the preset. If you do it to one and go back to that without doing the others, it won't stick.

I understand. It still reverts.

[AlexKenivel]

If you do it to one and go back to that without doing the others, it won't stick.

Okay, here's where I went wrong, you have TO do this with EVERY SINGLE SNAPSHOT WITHOUT GOING BACK TO A PREVIOUS SNAPSHOT for it to take.

 

Still not sure if this will solve the problem of the auto engage wah going on by itself tho

[zooey]

Set Global Settings > Preferences > Snapshot Edits to Recall, if it's not that way already. This lets you save the whole preset at once when you repair it, instead of having to save each snapshot separately.

[MonkeyXT]

This past weekend I watched Fulcrum's floor Helix w/FW 2.10 go from his having 'fixed' every Snapshot effectively/correctly, to suddenly having it all revert to the erroneous behaviour. I forget what he was doing at the time; nothing more than selecting a preset I believe.

He power-cycled the unit, and afterward it seemed to all be 'fixed' again - however, it's officially rendered itself unreliable.

 

Meantime with my Helix Rack/Control rig, now that I started changing wah blocks over to EXP movement engage, I've started to have the wahs randomly coming on - navigating to the parameter shows that it's reading 1%, where it should have been reading 100%. I have it 'parked' at toe-down since I'm used to engaging the Toe Switch. My expression pedals are the Mission Helix toe-switch one (EXP1) and Mission regular Line 6 model. They're not loose in movement; even if so, the way I'm configured, it would read just under 100% as it was still visibly at toe-down.

Another time, I came out of the tuner and the wah came on as I resumed my signal.

I'd been thinking that I was side-stepping much of the trouble with the expression pedals by way of the physical presence of a second pedal plugged in: not so.

This has taught me that my habitual use of EXP2 for volume functions, while EXP1 w/Toe-switch engage has been tasked with wahs and such, kept the issue from affecting my audio path it seems.

Hopefully this will be 'hot-patched' soon.

[AlexKenivel]

I've started to have the wahs randomly coming on - navigating to the parameter shows that it's reading 1%, where it should have been reading 100%. I have it 'parked' at toe-down since I'm used to engaging the Toe Switch. My expression pedals are the Mission Helix toe-switch one (EXP1) and Mission regular Line 6 model. They're not loose in movement; even if so, the way I'm configured, it would read just under 100% as it was still visibly at toe-down.

Another time, I came out of the tuner and the wah came on as I resumed my signal.

I'd been thinking that I was side-stepping much of the trouble with the expression pedals by way of the physical presence of a second pedal plugged in: not so.

This has taught me that my habitual use of EXP2 for volume functions, while EXP1 w/Toe-switch engage has been tasked with wahs and such, kept the issue from affecting my audio path it seems.

Hopefully this will be 'hot-patched' soon.

Glad to know it's not just me, although I'm not glad that this is happening.

 

I'd love an actual fix for this, but for now I've abandoned the switch less wah and went back to the toe button to activate

[FarleyUK]

And there was me thinking there was something else wrong with my Helix unit.....! Had this issue last night, so glad to see it's not just me.

[johnonguitar]

Are there any issues with the exp pedals if not using the auto-engage?

 

If I update and avoid these features should I be safe?

[phil_m]

Are there any issues with the exp pedals if not using the auto-engage?

 

If I update and avoid these features should I be safe?

 

It still seems to me that these issues involving values changing on their own seem to be pretty sporadic. I haven't necessarily seen widespread reports of it happening - just a few here and there. I have never personally had it happen, and I use auto-engage.

 

Note the last line of the release notes for the 2.10 firmware: - In very rare cases, corrupted presets containing a Volume/Pan > Volume Pedal block can cause volume to drop to 0%. In such cases, completely clear the Volume Pedal block and add again. If the same preset exhibits this behavior again, please contact Line 6 Customer Service and be ready to email us the raw preset so we can analyze it

 

Tells me that Line 6 hasn't been able to isolate this as a repeatable bug with a given recipe, but they are thinking it has more to do with corrupt presets or something like that.

[damien_]

Just want to share that I see this issue happening for me as well.

 

Note that I received my Helix the day 2.10 was released.  So I had no prior presets that needed to go through the update.  My patches are brand new and written from scratch under firmware 2.10.

 

I have a setup where the built-in expression pedal set to the heel position disengages the wah.  It auto-engages at 1%.

 

I've had several instances where I boot my Helix with the pedal on the heel position, jam a bit, and all of a sudden the wah engages itself.

[phil_m]

Just want to share that I see this issue happening for me as well.

 

Note that I received my Helix the day 2.10 was released.  So I had no prior presets that needed to go through the update.  My patches are brand new and written from scratch under firmware 2.10.

 

I have a setup where the built-in expression pedal set to the heel position disengages the wah.  It auto-engages at 1%.

 

I've had several instances where I boot my Helix with the pedal on the heel position, jam a bit, and all of a sudden the wah engages itself.

 

If the pedal is in heel position, I could actually see this being a case of the pedal moving a little bit. What percentage do you have the auto-engage set to? I don't think it's uncommon for there to be a little bit of "play" in the on-board pedal position.

[damien_]

If the pedal is in heel position, I could actually see this being a case of the pedal moving a little bit. What percentage do you have the auto-engage set to? I don't think it's uncommon for there to be a little bit of "play" in the on-board pedal position.

 

My expression pedal is very stiff and has no play as far as I can tell.  I even noticed that I had to move the pedal by a few millimeters until it would switch from 0% to 1%.

 

The auto-engage is at 1%.

 

When my wah unexpectedly engages, I always make sure the pedal is all the way to 0%.  Pushing the pedal towards the heel position doesn't disengage the wah so I'm assuming it's already at 0%.