Bangha Posted January 8, 2017 Share Posted January 8, 2017 Hey everyone, I'm trying to find a thread where someone had compiled the real life counterparts/manuals of helix components and for the life of me I can't find it. Anyone care to help a Helixbrother out? Thanks ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lulu_m Posted January 8, 2017 Share Posted January 8, 2017 http://helixhelp.com/pmwiki.php Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willjrock Posted January 8, 2017 Share Posted January 8, 2017 First, let me say that the Channel Volume (ChVol) knob is ALWAYS a flat response, post amp model level control. This is like a fader on a console. It's in the amp model, but it's not tied to the tonality of the amp model. It's how I level different presets so that they play well together. Found on the amps page, this confused me a bit at first. This is only true if there are no post amp effects. I cant imagine he was picturing every preset without fx. Who would? This is not a good choice for leveling presets. I assumed it was similar to turning up an output block because he said It's how I level different presets but after digging a bit deeper in to its functionality, it was apparent that it was strictly a post amp model level control - as he also said. That should be edited. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricstudioc Posted January 8, 2017 Share Posted January 8, 2017 Found on the amps page, this confused me a bit at first. This is only true if there are no post amp effects. I cant imagine he was picturing every preset without fx. Who would? This is not a good choice for leveling presets. I assumed it was similar to turning up an output block because he said It's how I level different presets but after digging a bit deeper in to its functionality, it was apparent that it was strictly a post amp model level control - as he also said. That should be edited. Oh, I dunno - in a real life, analog, application how often are you using post-fx to change volume? Certainly the basic food group stuff - mods, delays, verbs - are typically best at unity pass-through. Certainly you CAN manipulate volume at many points in the chain, choosing one as your default makes sense. Certainly when I set up a patch, I start with the core tone first - get that amp/cab singin'. Afterwards as I'm adding post-fx, I compare back to the uneffected frequently, if I note the fx changing the volume I tweak the mix/level/headroom to keep the levels the same. Oh - who would set up their guitar rigs without post-fx? Hendrix, Clapton, Santana, Blackmore come to mind - lots of great playin' came from guys who had nothing more than amp 'verb on their post signal. Jest sayin'..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willjrock Posted January 8, 2017 Share Posted January 8, 2017 Oh, I dunno - in a real life, analog, application how often are you using post-fx to change volume? That doesnt apply here at all. Oh - who would set up their guitar rigs without post-fx? No, who would fill their Helix up with presets, without using any fx. Oh, I dunno - in a real life, analog, application how often are you using post-fx to change volume? Certainly the basic food group stuff - mods, delays, verbs - are typically best at unity pass-through. Certainly you CAN manipulate volume at many points in the chain, choosing one as your default makes sense. Certainly when I set up a patch, I start with the core tone first - get that amp/cab singin'. Afterwards as I'm adding post-fx, I compare back to the uneffected frequently, if I note the fx changing the volume I tweak the mix/level/headroom to keep the levels the same. Oh - who would set up their guitar rigs without post-fx? Hendrix, Clapton, Santana, Blackmore come to mind - lots of great playin' came from guys who had nothing more than amp 'verb on their post signal. Jest sayin'..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexKenivel Posted January 8, 2017 Share Posted January 8, 2017 Makes sense.. Volume from the amp block affects input volume of post fx, causing them to react differently, less decay or feedback, and needless to say, volume. Output block for me! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricstudioc Posted January 8, 2017 Share Posted January 8, 2017 That doesnt apply here at all. Of course it can apply - or not apply - as one sees fit. That's part of the POINT of Helix. My way, or Alex's way - either one gets you there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangha Posted January 17, 2017 Author Share Posted January 17, 2017 http://helixhelp.com/pmwiki.php Thanks lulu. Bookmarked! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radatats Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 here's another helpful link regards real life controls and helix integration.http://line6.com/support/topic/19961-helix-amp-model-gallery-real-controls-vs-invented/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verne-Bunsen Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 here's another helpful link regards real life controls and helix integration. http://line6.com/support/topic/19961-helix-amp-model-gallery-real-controls-vs-invented/ This thread was my bible for a long while. I still consult it often. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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