cgar18 Posted June 5, 2017 Share Posted June 5, 2017 I want to use the modeling amps and My blackstar amp sound how can I do this.I want to have the flexibility to choose and use either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rd2rk Posted June 6, 2017 Share Posted June 6, 2017 All explained here: http://line6.com/support/topic/27791-pod-hd500x-and-4cm/?do=findComment&comment=215829 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbuhajla Posted June 6, 2017 Share Posted June 6, 2017 4 cable method. Lots of vids on the Youtubes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cgar18 Posted June 6, 2017 Author Share Posted June 6, 2017 Yes Ive seen the vids but alot of them that Ive seen seem to switch to direct in when using the helix amp models,Ive watched a line 6 rep demonstrate it on andertons you tube and he had it straight in to a fender amp BUT was only using the the helix like an effects board when he used the modeling part he switched to a powered 10 inch pa speaker whic is why im still not sur eif I can still get good modeling sound in to a reg amp or is it better ti just buy a power amp with speakers,sorry if Im still not sure but I would love to see someone play model amps thru a amp.I read that the signal might be to hot to go into a reg amp and it wont sound good.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdFFZBN8xL0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cclement Posted June 6, 2017 Share Posted June 6, 2017 The Helix and LT can both be hooked up in a bunch of ways. The Helix has more outputs.. but the LT has enough for most users I would guess. You are right about the video... they have a stereo feed from the Helix LT directly rather than a mic'd amp. Although.. the first part was straight into a Fender HRD - a good "pedal platform" amp. Personally.... I think the Helix sounds best through a PA/FRFR setup. Some might prefer to do the 4CM or direct into an amp with a good amount of headroom - like the HRD. YMMV... and it's comes down to what sound the best to you. Back in my HD500X days... I used a 2x12 stereo cab thing, and it was OK. But when I switched to a FRFR setup... my sound got much better to my ears. And now with the Helix... I'm SUPER happy with my tones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cgar18 Posted June 6, 2017 Author Share Posted June 6, 2017 Thanks Iknowathingortwo that is what I want to know do I have to get a Frfr setup because I really dont want to spend more more especially whne I have a blackstar 2 12 with an external 2 12 cabinet. I was hoping to use the amp to do both. I dont wan to buy the helix and then it soesnt sound good thru my black star. Using it kije an effect board sounds great in that video but I still want to take advantage of the sims amps cabinets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spikey Posted June 6, 2017 Share Posted June 6, 2017 I dont wan to buy the helix and then it soesnt sound good thru my black star. Get ready for failure if you are in a 15-minute rush. Running Helix thru any amp takes time to discover tonal perfection (for your ears). Many can attest to this here as stated many times in many threads. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbuhajla Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 Thanks Iknowathingortwo that is what I want to know do I have to get a Frfr setup because I really dont want to spend more more especially whne I have a blackstar 2 12 with an external 2 12 cabinet. I was hoping to use the amp to do both. I dont wan to buy the helix and then it soesnt sound good thru my black star. Using it kije an effect board sounds great in that video but I still want to take advantage of the sims amps cabinets. You can run Helix via 4 cable method to your amp. That allows you to use the preamp section on your guitar amp, or bypass that and substitute it with modeled preamps if you wish. Your amps power section and speaker will color the sound, but that doesn't mean that it won't sound great. Lots of people use 4cm to their guitar amp and don't use FRFR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruisinon2 Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 Get ready for failure if you are in a 15-minute rush. Running Helix thru any amp takes time to discover tonal perfection (for your ears). Many can attest to this here as stated many times in many threads. Amen to that. The problem with demo videos, particularly those done by company reps or retailers, is that they go to great lengths to make it seem as though it's absurdly easy to dial in the sounds you have in your head. After all, they are selling a product. Telling you "This is the finest modeler the world has ever seen, but it may pi$$ you off for the first 3 weeks" is not an effective sales pitch. But 9/10 times, the initial user experience is far less forgiving than the demo. They're familiar with the product long before the camera starts rolling, so it ain't their first rodeo. For the rest of us mere mortals, the learning curve tends to be considerably longer (and generally laced with assorted profanity and some initial buyer's remorse ;) )... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cgar18 Posted June 9, 2017 Author Share Posted June 9, 2017 well I got it today so here I go!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lachdanan0121 Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 Amen to that. The problem with demo videos, particularly those done by company reps or retailers, is that they go to great lengths to make it seem as though it's absurdly easy to dial in the sounds you have in your head. After all, they are selling a product. Telling you "This is the finest modeler the world has ever seen, but it may pi$$ you off for the first 3 weeks" is not an effective sales pitch. But 9/10 times, the initial user experience is far less forgiving than the demo. They're familiar with the product long before the camera starts rolling, so it ain't their first rodeo. For the rest of us mere mortals, the learning curve tends to be considerably longer (and generally laced with assorted profanity and some initial buyer's remorse ;) )... Isn't that the freaking truth... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cgar18 Posted June 10, 2017 Author Share Posted June 10, 2017 well I got it today so here I go!!!!!!! So I had to re arrange my I guess music work area to fit the helix on.Its on a table eye level so I can use to buttons or the software.I have it coming out 1/4 inch outputs into a zoom r16 and out of my zoom into a pair of roland vdrums pm10 speakers.I saw that it was kind of like the 1 10 alto everyone was raving about and I just used 3 presets after firmware update and boy its a lot different from when I plugged in my hd pod years ago and my fire fx.I haven't had a great out of box experience imo since I owned the pod xt.I miss that little fire engine red effects unit, any way so far just 3 presets and im liking it.So off I go to play and learn and I hope once I switch it to my blackstar I get the same sound. Ill play and figure it out.Thanks for the help!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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