sliding_billy

Great job.

Hey man, long time no talk. Great to see you pop in. I make it in here every day but rarely post anything these days. Hope all is well with you.

My understanding is that he was actually tweaking the algorithms in the code, so it would not be as simple as an EQ fix. That being said (and I have been using the Vetta since the inception), different is not always better. I did not get the Armin mod, but plenty of folks on the ION forum did back in the day. Some loved it, and some did not. I am pretty sure that if you search ION, you will find plenty of the old information. http://www.instituteofnoise.com/forum/default.asp

Besides the various impedance options, (4/8/16), the Vetta also has a half power option. I am confused by your post though. You say it is a 412 cab, but then list 2X75.

I disagree slightly about why folks (myself included) like tube amps. It's not that they sound better IMO, but instead that they sound more "less better" (I do not want to use the word organic as it is way overused). There is a certain expectation of guitar tone that is based on years of playing and listening that only comes from a tube's reaction. You can mimic it with modelling (which is still just a digital attempt at recreating those imperfections that we love), but it is still not the same. It's kind of like that sound you get from the improper intonation of a G string on the guitar or the faint warble of a vinyl album (or a non-blocked trem). Is it better? No. Is is preferred? Yes, in many cases. I can almost imagine the modelling CD player that reproduces the crackles and warble of a vinyl album. :D Ultimately, if it was just pristine sound that we were looking for there would be no distortion at all and we would all be playing through PAs. Heck, even the acoustic guitar can be modeled but it still isn't the same sound or feel is it?

Funny DickFoster... sometimes I can't tell if we are agreeing or disagreeing. I do agree that there is a market for a completely digital high end amp (obviously, since I still play my V1 HD after all these years). Tubes have their place in my rig too (my DT50 HD/HD500/Variax rig) of course. I don't think Line 6 caved so much as gave up on the Vetta. Not sure we will ever know why (the rumors of not having rights the code or that nobody was left who could write it), but we were lied to about the future of the amp. The non-DT50 version of the dream rig is not tube based, so I still think they believe in a fully digital market.

That's my point. No, there is no such thing (other than using more neutral sounding speakers in modeling amps). However, folks associate the Line 6 name with being different than traditional gear.

Sorry, I was referring to the logo on the speakers (and how it might impact purchase price since people think they are modelling only speakers) when I said folks are turned off... Not referring to how it might impact someone looking at the cab itself.

It does look like the Vetta 1/Flextone cab. They did use the G12H-90 speakers, and of course it has the old logo. I don't thinnk it is worth any more than any other 4X12 cab in similar condition and maybe a little less to anyone not using it with a Line 6 rig. Folks are turned off by the Line 6 logo thinking that the speakers are just for modeling amps. My guess on value (transportation excluded) is probably around $150.

Only midi interface that is known to work consistently is the midisport uno. Other than that... check your drivers. Test with another midi device. Swap in and out cables. Don't laugh. It has been done tons of times.

Not referring to the error but the ability to even attempt a flash.

The only usb midi device that works consistently is the midisport uno. Assuming you do not have one to try, I think that returning the amp while you still can is your best course of action.

When you ran the flash, was Monkey able to detect the amp properly? Also, what midi device did you use to flash?

Have you tries a new cable?

Which in my opinion gives Line 6 even less reason to continue support of the HD500. I'm not saying it won't happen (and I get that you are referring to the potential technical compatibility - at least I think you are), but my guess is that they will drop support in an effort to get folks who are not constrained by the 1st run upgrade differences (increased power/memory) to upgrade for what comes down the road. I do hope I am wrong since I use a JTV69/HD500/DT50 and have no real issues that appear to be solved by the X. We show see...

As a long time Vetta user... I am not holding my breath regarding continued support that has been implied or (in the case of the Vetta) even promised.

It's all good (on my end) Zap. I just didn't appreciate you telling someone that I was "missing the point" as if I didn't understand how tube amps worked and paraphrasing me when a direct quote was just as easy and would not have put words in my mouth.

Not missing the point of pushing tubes at all (been pushing them for over 30 years in small, medium and large venues). Just saying that the benefit of having more power available when I want/need it is more important to me than the ability to push the tubes all the time and potentially not have reserves left. I am not saying it is the only right opinion, but it is mine. That is why I said it is what I would prefer. Also, if you are going to quote me, please quote me. I said at a "reasonable" volume, not "any volume."

My take... I have a Vetta HD (with VDI), a DT50 HD, a POD HD500 and a JTV. I think the difference between the Vetta by itself and the DT50 by itself is night and day in terms of organic sound/feel. Add in the HD500 with or without the JTV, and I think it is only marginally different. It is a bit more like running the POD through a tube power amp at that point, better but not perfect. With the JTV over VDI, the difference is also marginal between the same setup on the Vetta or DT50/HD500. Don't get me wrong, I love the tone of the dream rig, but I also got great tone out of my Vetta and continue to get great tone out of it. I will keep it because I still like to play through it. You really need to demo all of your options. You may not "crap your pants" at the sound of the DT with the HD, but then again you might. I actually play my DT more with an analog guitar and no POD, but it you need a lot of effects, presets and other options that may not be an option for you. Also, I have no issues dialing the DT50 back to a reasonable volume and would prefer to have the available power if needed vs. getting a DT25.

In my experience with the DV (I currently have one, and have had 2 others including the HD) and other Line 6 amps, yes this is normal.

I can live with the fact that they didn't stick with the Vetta. I cannot live with the fact that they assured users that the BUGS would be fixed and then pretended that they hadn't. P.S. V1 HD with VDI (HD was purchased shortly after release and VDI added right when it was released). Still works great except for the bugs and one encoder wheel that needs spun more than it should to change values.

That is a great looking guitar.