tenorkeith Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 I have a question And am curious to know what you guys think. I own a reissue JCM800 and also a clone that I built myself. They both have similar gain structures, but when I use the Helix 2204 model, I find that the helix "drive" knob has to be at about 4 to achieve what my real amps do at 10. Now, mind you, they totally nailed the sound and feel of the amp. And I also am not complaining that I have extra gain on tap, I was just wondering if they were going for total accuracy when modeling the specific characteristics of each amp. If so, I think they missed the mark where gain is concerned. I would love to hear from someone at Line 6 on what they think. Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guitarzman Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 Hey Keith not sure if this will help but here's a link to the Helix Amp models https://goo.gl/yTHgqN.. I currently am using the 1959 Plexi Brit which has less gain and sounds great to me! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tenorkeith Posted February 27, 2017 Author Share Posted February 27, 2017 Thanks, Guitarzman! That's a very cool thread! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunpointmetal Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 Is it the "Line 6 2204"? Because that one is a L6 original BASED on a Marshall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shanecgriffo Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 no,if i'm not mistaken, i think the '2204 mod' is the line 6 original? is that right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tenorkeith Posted February 27, 2017 Author Share Posted February 27, 2017 Yeah, I think the regular "2204" is supposed to be the original 800. But again, I'll say that side by side, they really did nail the sound of the real thing, if not all the controls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guitarzman Posted February 28, 2017 Share Posted February 28, 2017 Thanks, Guitarzman! That's a very cool thread! No Problem Keith glad to help! I do believe the 2204 is modeled after the JCM 800 and the 2204 mod has a lot more mids ( a line 6 version) I think either DI or Ben Adrian modded that amp model ! And I see your point about the high gain volumes at 3 or 4 on the 2204 amp model.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shanecgriffo Posted February 28, 2017 Share Posted February 28, 2017 i guess the question is then, is it possible to clean up the signal as in the original, or is there too much gain on tap? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewolf48 Posted February 28, 2017 Share Posted February 28, 2017 Put a gain block before the Amp model to reduce the level going into the amp, and/or use the Pad option on the guitar input. I use a gain block because I have a JTV and there is no pad option for VDI Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fazer1k143 Posted February 28, 2017 Share Posted February 28, 2017 I believe the JCM800 modelled by line 6 Had been modded in some way. I would like them to model a stock JCM800 as well but I suspect that won't happen. The Plexi model is great though! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ilya-V Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 I think it is off too. And they didn't emulate the bright cap either. I think it's time for them to redo the old models which they ported form the HD series to the Helix. I said it on TGP,, they had to nail the Marshall models FIRST, Marshall's are the benchmark for any amp modeler,, and the Helix Marshall's sounding different to other available modelers. The Trainwreck and Cartographer are amazing though and can do the Marshall sound even better. EDIT: I have to be clearer here. The Helix has infinitely more useful amp models than the JCM800 or Plexi,, but new users will usually go to these amps to benchmark the modeling quality, so they have to be as accurate as possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil_m Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 7 hours ago, Ilya-V said: I think it is off too. And they didn't emulate the bright cap either. I think it's time for them to redo the old models which they ported form the HD series to the Helix. I said it on TGP,, they had to nail the Marshall models FIRST, Marshall's are the benchmark for any amp modeler,, and the Helix Marshall's sounding different to other available modelers. The Trainwreck and Cartographer are amazing though and can do the Marshall sound even better. EDIT: I have to be clearer here. The Helix has infinitely more useful amp models than the JCM800 or Plexi,, but new users will usually go to these amps to benchmark the modeling quality, so they have to be as accurate as possible. To be clear, they didn’t port any models from the HD to the Helix. They modeled the same amps for the Helix in the beginning, but they didn’t port the HD models into the Helix. Actually, for some of the HD, specifically the ones that were added in the HD model packs, they ported Helix models into the HD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunpointmetal Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 10 hours ago, Ilya-V said: EDIT: I have to be clearer here. The Helix has infinitely more useful amp models than the JCM800 or Plexi,, but new users will usually go to these amps to benchmark the modeling quality, so they have to be as accurate as possible. I don't think that's really true. Lots of people could care less about marshall sounds. Most of the user's I know went straight for Boogies/5150 or the L6 originals. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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