Hd500 With Ev Zlx12p Or Stagesource L2m Opinions?

[edstar1960]

Anyone using HD500 with EV ZLX12P and/or Stagesource L2M?

And has anyone made a direct comparison?

 

I would be interested in pro's and con's and what people think is best.  Thanks in advance.

[medbad5150]

Mate is a dj and singer in my band he let me use the ELX112P for as long as I wanted while he used Mackie Thumps. I used it with Axe 2, HD500, GT10 and could not get rid of the overall boom bass, unless I tweaked the modellers to death.

 

I'm using the cheaper Mackie now but the ELX were rated but not in my opinion, bass heavy. Mind you I've heard they sound great if you have it at volume 11!

 

Don't know though what the new ELX are like.

[Charlie_Watt]

I have the XLX-12P and I am using it in my music room with my HD500X and JTV69S.  Love it.  It's way too loud but that is what the volume knob is for. :-)  It is probably overkill for my use but it sounds great especially with my acoustic patches.  It has bass and treble controls and several DSP modes that shape the sound.  At $400 it's not cheap but it's not out of this world either.

[jcosta_sr]

I have a POD HD 500, JTV-69 and L2t (same as a L2m but with a mixer).  The L2 is phenomial.  I have been chasing FRFR for the better part of 15 years and when I completed the Dream Rig with the L2t, I was in love.

 

First of all, 800 very clean watts.  The accoustic patches are so damn believable.  Then if you switch to an electric guitar patch all of a sudden you are playing behind a marshal stack.  The only down side I see to the L2t/m is cost.  A little pricey.......

[edstar1960]

Thank you everyone for your input.

 

Price comparison at the moment in the UK -  Stagesource L2M is £529  - the EV ZLX12P is £329.

 

Has anyone actually done a direct comparison between the 2?

 

I know the L2m is the Line 6 compatible product - you get the L6 Link and the control direct from the HD500 and you can therefore automatically switch between different modes which is cool - but is it worth the extra £200 ?

If the sound quality is also superior then maybe It is.

First hand advice from anyone who has tried one or the other or both is extremely helpful.  Unfortunately, there is no place near enough to me that has either in stock to try.

[edstar1960]

Ouch!  The L2m has just increased to £629 and the L2T to £729  the UK.     Makes the EV option far more attractive at £329.

[oehman]

I haven't tried the L2. It looks like a more versatile option than the EV, but at twice the cost, it has settings that I don't need.

I own a pair of EV ZLX 12p for my PA mains and think they are great. The Variax/Pod thru them sounds as good as a miked up amp or direct acoustic guitar.

They are too big and much louder than I need for a monitor in the duo that I currently play in. But would probably be awesome if if you play in a full band situation. I don't think you'd be disappointed with them.

[edstar1960]

I haven't tried the L2. It looks like a more versatile option than the EV, but at twice the cost, it has settings that I don't need.

I own a pair of EV ZLX 12p for my PA mains and think they are great. The Variax/Pod thru them sounds as good as a miked up amp or direct acoustic guitar.

They are too big and much louder than I need for a monitor in the duo that I currently play in. But would probably be awesome if if you play in a full band situation. I don't think you'd be disappointed with them.

 

Thanks for the advice.  Yes - I play in a band.   I currently use a Behringer B210D which I have only had for a couple of months, but after much tweaking I still can't get it to sound right.  It's a great size and really portable and loud enough BUT sound is either too harsh or too boomy and if I have it at a volume that I can hear myself comfortably at then the other band members complain I am too loud, so I turn down a bit and end up struggling to hear myself.  I have now come to the conclusion that although it was only about £140, I have wasted far too much time trying to get it to sound good, and would have been better off spending more on a better quality powered PA speaker.

 

I also have the JTV59 and the DT25 - so I have the dream rig - but I can't nail the acoustic sound with the DT25 and I need it for a couple of songs, and I also use some of the weird synth sounds from the HD500 which is not so ideal for the DT25,  so the dream rig becomes the "almost dream rig" - plus I worry that a tube may play up at a gig and then I would be without any backup options.    If we ever do a set when it's just electric guitar throughout then the DT25 is ideal (apart from the worry of a tube going bad).    

I like my gear to be as small and portable and as reliable as possible.  I can't afford to have 2 of everything at a gig just in case - plus if I did then it would be counter acting the the small/portable requirement if I had twice as much!   LOL   :D       

 

The L2M is tempting because of it's compatibility and the numerous positive reports but it is expensive AND I missed it while it was on offer at £529 (which was still expensive) !      :(

It may also make my DT25 redundant from what I have read although it might be nice to have both available at a gig and fully utilise the L6 link connections

But the EV ZLX12P seems a great option at £329 - although I would not be able to dynamically swap modes with it - but maybe the LIVE mode would suit both electric and acoustic sounds from the HD500.

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[Charlie_Watt]

Sounds like EU prices are way higher than in the US.  The going rate for EV is $400 here. 

[edstar1960]

Sounds like EU prices are way higher than in the US.  The going rate for EV is $400 here. 

 

Yep!  It has no bearing on the actual exchange rate!  They can just get away with charging people in the EU way more for the same product!   Mind you - in the USA you have different sales taxes in different states and the sales tax isn't included in the price - is that correct?  So $400 would actually be $400 plus sales tax?       In the EU pretty much everything has VAT added (Value Added tax) which is at 20% in the UK, and retailers advertise their prices including that tax - so £329 is including the VAT.   I bet the US price still comes out cheaper though!    :)

[cruisinon2]

Yep!  It has no bearing on the actual exchange rate!  They can just get away with charging people in the EU way more for the same product!   Mind you - in the USA you have different sales taxes in different states and the sales tax isn't included in the price - is that correct?  So $400 would actually be $400 plus sales tax?       In the EU pretty much everything has VAT added (Value Added tax) which is at 20% in the UK, and retailers advertise their prices including that tax - so £329 is including the VAT.   I bet the US price still comes out cheaper though!    :)

 

Sort of...there's sales tax (in most states, but not all) if you're actually walking into a store and buying an item, or having it shipped from a retailer located in your state. However, purchasing online from an out-of-state company incurs no sales tax...but the powers that be are trying to change that of course. Till then...click and buy!

[oehman]

I also have the Behringer B210D.

It is okay as a vocal monitor. But not so good for running the pod through it.

I just bought an EV ZXA1 yesterday. It's about the same size as the Behringer, but has an 8 inch speaker and it instead of the 10.

I played through it last night and it sounds really good. The cost is about the same as the EV ZLX 12p.

The L2 is just too expensive. If I need that much power, I rather just use my DT25 and run acoustic patches straight to the PA.

Wish Line 6 would devop an L1.... At 1/2 the price of the L2...

[edstar1960]

Sort of...there's sales tax (in most states, but not all) if you're actually walking into a store and buying an item, or having it shipped from a retailer located in your state. However, purchasing online from an out-of-state company incurs no sales tax...but the powers that be are trying to change that of course. Till then...click and buy!

 

Ah!  That is certainly a big part of the reason why the the US prices online are so much better!  

[edstar1960]

I also have the Behringer B210D.

It is okay as a vocal monitor. But not so good for running the pod through it.

I just bought an EV ZXA1 yesterday. It's about the same size as the Behringer, but has an 8 inch speaker and it instead of the 10.

I played through it last night and it sounds really good. The cost is about the same as the EV ZLX 12p.

The L2 is just too expensive. If I need that much power, I rather just use my DT25 and run acoustic patches straight to the PA.

Wish Line 6 would devop an L1.... At 1/2 the price of the L2...

 

Thanks for the tip, I will look out for it as it may be another option.

 

Meanwhile, I may reconsider using the DT25 and B210D in combination live - just using the B210D for acoustic and synth type patches and all the electric guitar stuff with the DT25.  I may have to persuade the band to let me have 2 channels on the mixer though or provide my own submix to the PA.     I will have to give it some thought.

[edstar1960]

I have a POD HD 500, JTV-69 and L2t (same as a L2m but with a mixer).  The L2 is phenomial.  I have been chasing FRFR for the better part of 15 years and when I completed the Dream Rig with the L2t, I was in love.

 

First of all, 800 very clean watts.  The accoustic patches are so damn believable.  Then if you switch to an electric guitar patch all of a sudden you are playing behind a marshal stack.  The only down side I see to the L2t/m is cost.  A little pricey.......

 

Thanks for your advice.  So the L2 electric guitar mode produces a very "live" amp sound - or does it still provide a "mic'd" amp sound? 

What other full range speakers had you tried before getting the L2? 

[jcosta_sr]

Thanks for your advice.  So the L2 electric guitar mode produces a very "live" amp sound - or does it still provide a "mic'd" amp sound? 

What other full range speakers had you tried before getting the L2? 

 

I would have to say that it produces "mic'd amp sound", very exactly.  These are extremely loud studio monitors, optimised for the Line 6 enviroment and FRFR. 

 

I currently use the L2t as my "amp".  I place it on its side in an amp stand.  This setup replaced two amps.  I had a Atomic Reactor 112-50w and a Roland Key board.  I created patches that either panned left or right depending on which amp I wanted to use.  The Atomic Reactor is a 1x12 with a tube power amp, that handled all the electric sounds.  The Roland handled the accoustic sounds.  This worked ok.  But It was a lot of gear to haul to gigs with a large foot print on stage.  Plus balaning the volume between the two amps and the POD HD 500 could be challenging.  The L2 is very compact and light,  Line 6 did a good job on engineering the ergonomics of it.  There is a beefy handle that makes hauling it very easy.

 

Also - the band I play in has QSC K-10s for the mains.  On occaision I have used these as well.  They are in the same ball park as the L2t/m as far as price.  However, the L2 IMHO is far superior in sonic quality and obviously in ability to be integrated into Line 6 environment.

 

Lastly -  I would not consider using two L2s for stereo.  It would be overkill.  I am a Line 6 lover not hater, i really do believe in FRFR.  I held out on the DT solution because it couldn't deal with the accoustic side.  I play in a copy band that requires the whole gambit of sounds that only the L2 can solve.  I agree that the L2 is pricey however it solves two problems, accoustic and electric sounds.

[edstar1960]

I would have to say that it produces "mic'd amp sound", very exactly.  These are extremely loud studio monitors, optimised for the Line 6 enviroment and FRFR. 

 

I currently use the L2t as my "amp".  I place it on its side in an amp stand.  This setup replaced two amps.  I had a Atomic Reactor 112-50w and a Roland Key board.  I created patches that either panned left or right depending on which amp I wanted to use.  The Atomic Reactor is a 1x12 with a tube power amp, that handled all the electric sounds.  The Roland handled the accoustic sounds.  This worked ok.  But It was a lot of gear to haul to gigs with a large foot print on stage.  Plus balaning the volume between the two amps and the POD HD 500 could be challenging.  The L2 is very compact and light,  Line 6 did a good job on engineering the ergonomics of it.  There is a beefy handle that makes hauling it very easy.

 

Also - the band I play in has QSC K-10s for the mains.  On occaision I have used these as well.  They are in the same ball park as the L2t/m as far as price.  However, the L2 IMHO is far superior in sonic quality and obviously in ability to be integrated into Line 6 environment.

 

Lastly -  I would not consider using two L2s for stereo.  It would be overkill.  I am a Line 6 lover not hater, i really do believe in FRFR.  I held out on the DT solution because it couldn't deal with the accoustic side.  I play in a copy band that requires the whole gambit of sounds that only the L2 can solve.  I agree that the L2 is pricey however it solves two problems, accoustic and electric sounds.

Thank you very much for all the info. One more question, if you don't mind, do you think the HD500 sounds better with the L2 in electric guitar mode as compared to PA reference mode? The EV only has a comparable mode to PA ref, it des not have an electric guitar mode as far as I know. Thanks.

[radatats]

I also have the JTV59 and the DT25 - so I have the dream rig - but I can't nail the acoustic sound with the DT25 and I need it for a couple of songs, and I also use some of the weird synth sounds from the HD500 which is not so ideal for the DT25,  

 

I had a hard time with acoustic from the DT but I came up with a solution that seems to work well.  This patch works amazing with my DT25 head, 2X12 sealed cab with Celestion V30s and it should work fine with any other DT setup.  It may not be perfect but it works with all 5 acoustic models.

 

This setup provides the clean, unprocessed guitar signal from the Variax straight to the DT power section without ANY amp sims...

 

I put a flip top in channel A, centered the mixers and then mute channel A.    You can use any amp model in channel A, it is just a placeholder. I use it for low DSP.  We are not running through the flip top at all.  We are only using it to "lock" the DT from switching to the amp in channel B and to control the physical topology.  By placing no amp in channel B and muting channel A in the POD we effectively send the clean "unamped" acoustic guitar signal straight to the DT power section through channel B!  I set the topology to III in HDEdit and it just gets that nice sort of resonance you would expect from an acoustic.  We also have to change the input to Variax-Same to ensure that our signal is passed to channel B.  You may have to turn up the mixer levels for volume matching and add an EQ for tone shaping.  I use a reverb in the chain too.

 

This setup provides the clean, unprocessed guitar signal from our Variax straight to the DT power section without ANY amp sims.  I also use this setup for synth tones through the DT.  Place all your synth and FX blocks in the B path or the post mixer and you will get the pure synth without the amp coloring just like with a FRFR solution.

 

Try it and let me know how this works.  I just might save you some cash...

[edstar1960]

I had a hard time with acoustic from the DT but I came up with a solution that seems to work well.  This patch works amazing with my DT25 head, 2X12 sealed cab with Celestion V30s and it should work fine with any other DT setup.  It may not be perfect but it works with all 5 acoustic models.

 

This setup provides the clean, unprocessed guitar signal from the Variax straight to the DT power section without ANY amp sims...

 

I put a flip top in channel A, centered the mixers and then mute channel A.    You can use any amp model in channel A, it is just a placeholder. I use it for low DSP.  We are not running through the flip top at all.  We are only using it to "lock" the DT from switching to the amp in channel B and to control the physical topology.  By placing no amp in channel B and muting channel A in the POD we effectively send the clean "unamped" acoustic guitar signal straight to the DT power section through channel B!  I set the topology to III in HDEdit and it just gets that nice sort of resonance you would expect from an acoustic.  We also have to change the input to Variax-Same to ensure that our signal is passed to channel B.  You may have to turn up the mixer levels for volume matching and add an EQ for tone shaping.  I use a reverb in the chain too.

 

This setup provides the clean, unprocessed guitar signal from our Variax straight to the DT power section without ANY amp sims.  I also use this setup for synth tones through the DT.  Place all your synth and FX blocks in the B path or the post mixer and you will get the pure synth without the amp coloring just like with a FRFR solution.

 

Try it and let me know how this works.  I just might save you some cash...

Thank you very much. I will try that and let you know how it works out. :)

[jcosta_sr]

Thank you very much for all the info. One more question, if you don't mind, do you think the HD500 sounds better with the L2 in electric guitar mode as compared to PA reference mode? The EV only has a comparable mode to PA ref, it des not have an electric guitar mode as far as I know. Thanks.

I can honestly say I haven't done the comparisions.  I mean I have the HD 500 which will switch the L2 to the appropriate configuration.  I was so blown away by the quality of the sounds I just didn't feel the need to tinker around.  All my tinkering is with patches.  I have found that with the L2 and HD 500, I can get pretty close to what I am looking for with just the amp and reverb.  Obviously, there a couple of fx but I almost never need an equalizer.

[edstar1960]

I can honestly say I haven't done the comparisions.  I mean I have the HD 500 which will switch the L2 to the appropriate configuration.  I was so blown away by the quality of the sounds I just didn't feel the need to tinker around.  All my tinkering is with patches.  I have found that with the L2 and HD 500, I can get pretty close to what I am looking for with just the amp and reverb.  Obviously, there a couple of fx but I almost never need an equalizer.

 

Thanks very much for your input and sharing your experience and opinion.   

[edstar1960]

 

I had a hard time with acoustic from the DT but I came up with a solution that seems to work well.  This patch works amazing with my DT25 head, 2X12 sealed cab with Celestion V30s and it should work fine with any other DT setup.  It may not be perfect but it works with all 5 acoustic models.

 

This setup provides the clean, unprocessed guitar signal from the Variax straight to the DT power section without ANY amp sims...

 

I put a flip top in channel A, centered the mixers and then mute channel A.    You can use any amp model in channel A, it is just a placeholder. I use it for low DSP.  We are not running through the flip top at all.  We are only using it to "lock" the DT from switching to the amp in channel B and to control the physical topology.  By placing no amp in channel B and muting channel A in the POD we effectively send the clean "unamped" acoustic guitar signal straight to the DT power section through channel B!  I set the topology to III in HDEdit and it just gets that nice sort of resonance you would expect from an acoustic.  We also have to change the input to Variax-Same to ensure that our signal is passed to channel B.  You may have to turn up the mixer levels for volume matching and add an EQ for tone shaping.  I use a reverb in the chain too.

 

This setup provides the clean, unprocessed guitar signal from our Variax straight to the DT power section without ANY amp sims.  I also use this setup for synth tones through the DT.  Place all your synth and FX blocks in the B path or the post mixer and you will get the pure synth without the amp coloring just like with a FRFR solution.

 

Try it and let me know how this works.  I just might save you some cash...

 

 

I have given this a try. I set up a new patch on my HD500 via HD Edit as per your directions.   I used my JTV59 (fw1.9) into HD500 (fw 2.2) into DT25 combo (on latest fw).  I had all control knobs on the DT25 for both channels all turned fully anti clockwise to ensure none of them were over riding any settings from the HD500 - I only moved the DT25 MASTER to generate output volume.

First impression was that the sound was still too much like an electric - but then I tweaked back the MASTER vol on the pod to about 11 o'clock, and set the MASTER on the DT25 to about 12 o'clock, and also rolled off the volume on my JTV to about 7 rather than max.  Then I started to hear some more of the acoustic qualities coming through.

I will need to play with it some more and maybe use some EQ blocks to see if I can get a band level acoustic type sound from the DT25.  Thanks again for the tip and the advice.

[JMC01]

Has anyone used any equipment from Seismic Audio out of Memphis, Tenn.? I'm looking to purchase some powered 12" cabs for stage use. There is a lot of talk about the Tech 21 PE60, but SA has what they call a Magma series of speakers that is supposed to be pretty close to FRFR. I love the way my POD sounds through the FOH speakers but our stage monitors are terrible for my hd500x. Anyone heard anything about SA, good or bad?. Thanks.