mongopotamus
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Not sure if it will help you troubleshoot, but I froze and I'm on Windows 10 (100% up to date as of this week, with drivers updated as well using Driver Booster) Dell XPS 15 Intel Core i7-4702HQ CPU @2.20Ghz 16.0 GB Windows 10 Home - 64-bit Operating System
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My v2.80 update completely froze on the "Boot Failure, Entered Update Mode!" error, sat there for 45 minutes with progress showing 50% on the update utility and the wheels were constantly spinning.... so I finally decided to power it down and start over. Luckily, restarting the update process from the utility got the Helix out of the loop and the update ended up finishing successfully the 2nd time around.
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v2.80 firmware upgrade was going great, until I got to the "Boot Failure, Entered Update Mode!" error.... now I'm stuck (with :-3 in the top left corner in red). Been like this for 10 minutes, I clicked the "OK" to continue the upgrade in the update utility and it has clearly failed....AHHHHHHHHHH What should I do? The progress indicator is still spinning, but it's definitely stuck in a loop or something.....
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2.50 New Mono Reverb Issues With High Gain Sound
mongopotamus replied to mongopotamus's topic in Helix
Please test exactly what I wrote in post #9 before making recommendations, unfortunately this is what happened last time and why this problem has existed for almost a full year now. I was very clear in stating that I eliminated the cab block by using the "amp+cab" models and placed the reverbs AFTER the "amp+cab" block per suggestions. It makes no difference. This problem has always existed in the legacy reverbs, it exists in all mono reverbs, and it exists in some of the stereo reverbs. -
2.50 New Mono Reverb Issues With High Gain Sound
mongopotamus replied to mongopotamus's topic in Helix
I just want to be clear that it is more than just the new HX mono reverbs that are affected. Most of the legacy reverbs have always had this issue (at least with high gain signals) and some of the new HX stereo reverbs have this issue as well (again with high gain signals). Just wish someone from Line 6 acknowledged this problem when I first brought it up in April 2017! Hopefully next update fixes all 3 types of reverbs! -
2.50 New Mono Reverb Issues With High Gain Sound
mongopotamus replied to mongopotamus's topic in Helix
See I'm not crazy! I hope they go through all mono HX, stereo HX, and legacy reverbs and specifically test with a high gain signal, because that seems to make the problem worse. Thanks all for the responses and help!!! Line 6 as usual is awesome. Cosmos Echo into Stereo Searchlights Reverb sounds amazing, plays very nice with my high gain stuff. Great work guys! -
2.50 New Mono Reverb Issues With High Gain Sound
mongopotamus replied to mongopotamus's topic in Helix
Here is a patch I made that shows the problem pretty clearly. Just remove the .txt file extension (that was so I could post it here). At 50% mix and decay set to 9.0, there is almost no reverb at all. If you take the reverb mix higher, you just lose volume. This seems to happen with all the new HX mono reverbs, they don't work with high-gain signals. I have tried lowering the volume of the signal before it hits the reverb and playing with the high and low cuts, nothing changes. HX Mono Verb.hlx.txt -
2.50 New Mono Reverb Issues With High Gain Sound
mongopotamus replied to mongopotamus's topic in Helix
I originally posted this issue in April 2017 with (what are now called) the legacy reverbs and it's never been resolved. It is definitely an issue with the new mono reverbs. Here is the test I just ran through, which includes your recommendations, but still confirms my original post: 1) Upgraded to v2.50.00 and performed a factory reset. 2) Created a new preset with only two blocks, putting the reverb after the amp+cab and eliminating the high and low cuts from the equation: Amp + Cab: Cali Rectifire ----------------------------------- Drive 7.5 Channel Volume 7.5 Master Volume 10.0 Mic 57 Dynamic Mic Distance 1" Mono Reverb: Glitz ----------------------------------- Decay 9.0 Mix 50% Lo Cut Off Hi Cut Off 3) There is almost no perceptible reverb even at these very high decay/mix settings for high gain setups. The high and low cuts have no effect. 4) Now, bypass the Cali Rectifire and add whatever clean amp + cab you want before the reverb. You will notice there is a lot of reverb on the clean amp with the exact same reverb settings. It appears to me that the more high gain the signal in Helix, the less reverb you get... which makes no sense to me, because a more compressed signal should have more of the effect at the same settings correct? High-Gain Reverb Example Thanks everyone for helping! -
I just ran through the 5 new mono reverbs with a very basic high gain setup: Rectifire (Gain 7.5, Master 10.0, Channel 5.0) -> Mono Reverb -> XXL Cab Had reverbs set at 50% mix with decay set very high at 9 (which should be a pretty heavy amount of verb). There is almost no audible reverb even with the mix at 50% (the only exception being PlateauX where you can hear a bit of distant harmonics). This is the exact same problem I posted about the original reverbs, something isn't right with the way the Helix reverbs interact with high-gain setups. If I turn down the gain, the channel volume, and the master volume of the amp (which is obviously a much cleaner tone).... then I hear a lot more reverb with the exact same reverb settings. So it seems as though the high-gain amps are overpowering the reverbs and even the level setting (+6dB) can't make up for it. Help!!!
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Thanks for the demos, now I'm dying to get this update! Can't wait to try different blends of space echo (which is my new fav delay) with glitz and double tank. Very happy Line 6 addressed the reverbs!
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AVAILABLE SOON—DON'T LOOK FOR IT NOW!
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This is a major improvement if you have a high-res Windows display (beyond 1080), the text in the old editor was microscopic (even with display scaling on) and certain features were overlapping or displaying incorrectly. First time I've ever been able to actually use the editor with my laptop while I'm playing, finally!!! Great work, thank you. Now if only they'd completely redesign the reverbs, I'd be a very happy camper. :D :D :D PS - Space Echo is AWESOME.
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Again, it's not two patches. It's a single patch with the same exact reverb on a single path. The volume of both amps were roughly balanced out by ear, yet there is a massive difference in the amount of decay of the reverb between the two sounds. A more compressed input signal should exhibit more reverb, not less. If there's less dynamic range of the source signal, more of it should be "effected" by the reverb.
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The reverb is the exact same for both amps, they're on the same path and I've confirmed nothing in the reverb settings changes between the amp switching. Here is a crappy audio clip from my phone of what I'm experiencing. This is the hall reverb with 9.0 decay and 40% mix on the clean amp first, then the dirty amp. Pretty clear difference that there is way more reverb on the clean amp with the exact same settings. ReverbBug.mp3
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Thanks all. I dusted off my HD500 to compare the hall reverb and I can confirm the HD500 does not have this issue. Hall reverb on a cranked amp sounds like hall reverb. Other interesting thing to note on the Helix, is if you take the mix of the hall reverb (on both amps) past 50%, you start significantly losing volume. This doesn't happen on the HD500. The difference in volume seems a lot greater for the dirty amp than the clean amp (once you go way over 50% mix). I really hope you all can confirm my sanity!
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I use the TC Helicon VoiceSolo FX150 and it sounds amazing with Helix. It's 150W with 6.5" Tannoy 2-way drivers. Considering you can pick them up for $225 or so using the standard 15% off deals, they're an absolute gem for any Helix user on the go.
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Here's the preset, remove the .txt ending. REVERB TEST.hlx.txt
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Awesome thanks for the tip. Ok I made a very simple preset to show what I'm talking about. I set up Footswitch 8 to switch between the two amps and nothing else changes in the path. If you strike a chord and then immediately mute it, you will hear the reverb much more in the clean amp than the dirty amp. I'm not saying there's not reverb in the dirty amp, but it's not even close to the clean amp's reverb. The clean amp to me sounds like it has a lot of hall reverb, the dirty amp sounds like it has a little bit of room reverb. I've changed guitars, enabled/disabled the pad, changed impedances and tried both FRFR and high quality Sony headphones, get the same result every time. I'm on firmware v2.21 now and it still happens. You can also increase the reverb's decay to hear even more of a difference between the two.
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I've tried multiple guitars, with the input pad on/off and different impedances. Same thing every time. I just updated to the new firmware v2.21 and it's still the same issue. I've made a preset to share, but I don't see the option for attaching a file anywhere. I click My Media and there are no options to upload a file?
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Haha I figured you'd like that combo! You can't go wrong with an overdrive in front of a high-gain amp, that's a reliable setup. Also try setting the input pad for the guitar in global settings. Depending on your pickups, you might get better sound with the pad turned on, to lower the input level a bit.
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Yes. Same result with the reverb block placed either before or after the cab. In both cases, the reverb is after the amp. You can hear about 2 seconds worth of decay for the hall reverb at 45% mix with the clean amp, yet probably only a 1/2 second with the dirty amp. After 2 straight days of testing this, I'm 100% convinced it's a major bug.
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Here is my advice as a fellow high-gainer: - Make sure both your amp channel AND master volumes are cranked to get power amp distortion, the master volume is on the 2nd page of the amp settings. Usually when my tone sucks, I forgot to crank the master volume and it's set on 2. - Always change the mic and mic distance for any cab you select, as a high-gain guy I always go with the 57 and 1" distance. - Put an overdrive pedal before the amp and try different blends of the two distortions. Crank the volume of the overdrive pedal to hit the input of the amp harder, but leave the OD gain at lower levels (at least at first). I start with a 3-4 gain on the overdrive and 7-8 gain on the amp. - To level out your volumes, adjust the output block at the end of the path. - As already mentioned, you can tweak your sound by putting an EQ block before any of the distortions. Boosting mids beforehand sometimes helps. Try putting a tube screamer (Scream 808) in front of the Line 6 Fatality amp with a 4×12 Cali V30 (or XXL) cab, using the settings I mentioned above. This is one of my favorite combos of high-gain tones.
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Ok let me try to explain this differently. If I take a clean amp (US Deluxe Nrm) with a low gain setting (but cranked channel/master volumes) and strum a chord, but then immediately mute all the strings with my pick hand, you can absolutely hear the reverberation as it decays. If I take a high-gain amp (Line 6 2204 Mod) with a high gain and cranked channel/master volumes, doing the same exact chord and mute procedure.... you absolutely cannot hear the reverberation with the exact same settings. So I'm clear - There should not be drastic changes in the amount of reverb just because I'm changing amplifier blocks. The balance between clean signal and reverb signal is set in the mix control of the reverb block, which has not changed at 45%. It's not a subtle difference, it's almost as if the reverb mix were changed from 45% down to 15% just by switching amps. There's an obvious change in the level of reverb. Please try it out and see if you have the same issue.
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I agree that reverb should be the last thing in the chain, I probably should have mentioned that I started this experiment because it doesn't sound right as the last block on the path (with high gain cranked amps). I took reverb completely out of my path and started using an external TC Helicon reverb and things suddenly sounded much better, so then I started playing around with different amps and reverb positions (before the cab, etc.). Long story short, I'm 100% convinced there's something very wrong with the reverbs in Helix, at least for high-gain amps. The amount of reverb shouldn't totally disappear just because you change the amp block. With 45% mix of reverb, you can barely hear it on high-gain amps. There are other threads on reverb where some people swear they're totally usable and others say they're horrible, I believe this bug is the reason. I was blown away at how good the hall reverb sounded on a clean amp, because it sounds terrible on a high-gain amp.
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So I was just playing around with a very basic path, trying to see where the reverb sounds best (before cabinet, after cabinet, etc.). Using this basic path setup: Amp > Reverb > Cabinet [For the test, I was using the Hall reverb with 8.5 decay and 45% mix settings.] When I use the US Deluxe Nrm amp with low gain (4.0) and cranked channel/master volumes, it sounds great... nice rich reverb. You can distinctly hear the decaying sound after you stop playing. But when I change only the amp to the Line 6 2204 Mod (with gain at 8 and channel/master volumes at 10), there is almost no reverb sound at all (with the exact same reverb and cabinet settings). There is a very slight amount of reverb, but you definitely cannot hear the decaying sound like the cleaner amp. Something really strange is happening to the reverbs on high-gain amps that are cranked... it's almost as if the reverb disappears! This completely explains why I've had so much trouble trying to get my reverbs to sound normal (I'm a high-gain junkie). Please try this out!
