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  1. zolko60

    Helix LT Exp pedal problem after 2.81.1 update

    ...also, some users happen to be unaware of toe switch existence or can not switch it.
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    Best method of setting patches levels to the same volume??

    Yes. You are playing for yourself and for your audience so there is no need to show any respect for the author's level intensions.
  3. I have almost sorted out what is going on with Helix input and output levels by my and my friends research. The professional standard for line level audio signals is +4dBu. If we assume 15dB headroom to full scale digital level (0dBFS) is the standard Line 6 has adopted then Helix has three level settings: Line level: +19dBu full scale (+4dBu reference with 15dB of headroom) Instrument level: +11dBu full scale (-4dBu reference) Mic level: +8dBu (-7dBu reference) The pad on instrument input labeled "Guitar In" is 5dB so padded input is +16dBu full scale. Hx FL/RA "Aux In" is just another line level input. The Volume Kob is a digital attenuator assigned before chosen DA converter(s). Now let's see what is happening when we interface Helix with Yamaha MG06 mixer by XLR cable: Let's input -4dBu sinus signal to Guitar Input. It will appear at Hx XLR outputs set to mic level as -7dBu. MG06 mic preamp gain range is 20-64dB. At minimal gain position we get +13dBu. Getting unity gain is not possible without engaging mixer 26dB pad. Using DI box is better because they usually attenuate an amplitude by 18-20dB (plus some padding). -4dBu input signal appears at Helix XLR or TRS outputs set to line at +4dBu. After DI box -14dBu. At min mic pre gain we are near the unity. What I don't know is if Hx FL/RA mic input is set to the same mic level standard (0dB gain=-7dBu reference with 15dB of headroom=+8dB full scale). I would appeciate if somebody could confirm that. Thank you for your attention and research cooperation. :) Yamaha MG06 manual http://shopwl.com/content/MG06 Mixing Console - Manual.pdf
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    Best method of setting patches levels to the same volume??

    The volume knob does not matter with leveling patches. Its purpose is setting global monitoring volume. The unity is also irrelevant to leveling patches. The guitar can be a factor. The brigde PAF style humbucker gives about -30LUFS unpadded. How the output loudness is dependent on the guitar is not researched yet. Still some measurements and setting some reference patches solves the problem.
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    Best method of setting patches levels to the same volume??

    If you measure once or believe me that 01A, 01C, 03D are about -20LUFS no matter what you play then you can make a similar volume on any patch. ...and Helixes released so far have no leds to indicate the levels.
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    Best method of setting patches levels to the same volume??

    I see the second topic of this thread is the idea of implementing metering in Helix hardware. I can imagine such a need but please consider: - we do not know what is the screen refresh or if a display GPU (if any) can handle such a task, - we do not know if and what DSP resources would be required, also Helix Floor has 7 analog and 12 digital inputs, 8 analog and 10 digital outputs - that is a plenty of meters! OK, but if you keep -20LUFS at output, your headroom is quite safe.
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    3 Sigma Electric Guitar IR's question....

    No. Rationalizing things that make no sense makes no sense.
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    Metering, unity, best method

    There is no unity gain in case of amp modeling. After the amp peak level is likely reduced and rms level is rised. You put about -30LUFS (integrated) signal from a guitar and get -20LUFS at the output. Sometimes you need to be +/-5LUFS louder/quieter in the song context and loudness is heavy playing style dependent, so thinking of the absolute loudness equality hardly makes sense. Hx Native can mimic Helix hardware when input and output are set the same. Guitar Input +11dBu full scale (+17dBu with pad) and +11dBu full scale instrument level (+19dBu line level). -20LUFS output target is safe, it gives you a reasonable headroom. You can learn to target such a loudness level using any type of metering your DAW or mixer has or even your ears and compare it eg. to the factory patches of the same type. The volume knob is just a digital attenuator used to set the monitoring volume. The main reason of using it set clockwise at building patches is to prevent clipping, but if you keep -20LUFS output loudness level whatever method you develop or choose, it is unlikely to happen. There is a thread people present various methods of dealing with their loudness:
  9. You can just turn off everything else and use the Volume Knob to control only the headphones. No need to keep your mixing desk and amp on late at night. LT has no dedicated headphone volume knob for a reason - it is cheaper than FL.
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    3 Sigma Electric Guitar IR's question....

    It makes no sense, just ignore it.
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    Best method of setting patches levels to the same volume??

    I thought if you have your method of balancing patches and it works in 100% cases, you can demonstrate it on those three patches and somebody can check if it works for him. For the remote checking it is important to provide dB value of the correction. Saving the output block volume value is of course more convinient way of leveling patches than using the volume knob with no scale. This is definitely the idea worth spreading.
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    Best method of setting patches levels to the same volume??

    Balance to what reference on what playing? If the difference is 8 LUFS on loudness metering you can expect even more difference on RMS or peak metering. So if the patches of the different kind can be leveled by perception (ears) please propose the output block volume corrections of those three patches I tested.
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    Best method of setting patches levels to the same volume??

    I am just a sunday scientist... I believe the loudness measurement algorithm is immune even to drastic compression/limiting but the guitar distortion is apparently in some pathological ballpark. :D My conclusion is strong but if you play "Chugga chuggah" you probably do not play "House of the Raising Sun" on the same patch, so LUFS measurement may be still usefull for comparing the same kind of patches or/and the same kind of playing. This is why I think absolute leveling to equal loudness is not necessary/possible at all. My question is still valid: Can anybody prove that leveling (to equal loudness) those three patches makes sense and can be done by ear better regardless different playing?
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    Best method of setting patches levels to the same volume??

    I have done some research on leveling patches by loudness metering using Youlean Loudness Meter 2 set to read EBU R128 integrated loudness value. I have recorded three pieces of guitar playing (about 30s, DI track and then reamped tracks): House Of The Rising Sun (HORS) Smoke On The Water (SOTW) D drop Chugga Chuggah (DDRP) I have used three 2.81 firmware factory patches: 01A US Double Norm 01C Brit Plexi Brt 03D Revv Gen Red Absolute Measurements: Title DI 01A 01C 03D (LUFS) HORS -30.7 -17.4 -19.0 -21.0 SOTW -31.9 -23.3 -20.2 -21.9 DDRP -33.9 -24.7 -20.3 -20.3 Loudness differences with 01A as the reference: Title 01A 01C 03D (LUFS) HORS 0.0 -1.6 -3.6 SOTW 0.0 +3.1 +1.4 DDRP 0.0 +4.4 +4.4 As you may notice on "House of the Rising Sun" patch "Revv" is 3.6 LUFS quieter and 4.4 LUFS louder on "D Drop" with respect to the patch "US Double Norm" with different playing. 8dB (LUFS) difference is the serious issue. Conclusion Using the loudness metering (EBU R128 integrated) for leveling very different patches with very different input material may not be the accurate method or require some additional "weightning". Ouestion: How do you judge the loudness of those three patches with your ears?
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    Helix Native MIDI IN?

    I guess your main problem is midi controller usage with your computer software then HxN responce to properly setup midi controll. For the second issue you will find some guide there:
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    Helix Input and Output levels research (almost solved)

    Anesthesiologist you say... While you can make a serious surgery with no anesthesia it is not recommended for various serious reasons. ;) "No DI" pathology treatment: 1. XLR mic level to mic input, pad on mic pre if too loud. 2. XLR line level to line level input (if present), trim if too loud (if present). 3. 1/4" outputs to 1/4" line inputs (TRS if supported) Possible complications: 1. Phantom Power infection risk (XLR mic) 2. Ground currents infection risk.
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    Preset still rebuilding after update to 2.81 .....Why?

    I asked that question to one of the Line 6 firmware developers. I was also interested why Hx Edit can not rebuilt presets. I was kindly informed this is none of my bussiness.
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    Best method of setting patches levels to the same volume??

    Sure it isn't fixed!!! Eq. some hoomans are deaf. If they claim they can hear we can test their experience against the truth. We also have measuring devices to check this out. Reapeating the sentence "music material can not be made equally loud using the loudness meter" 1000 times will not make that statement true. Some demonstration backing up the claim could. It is XXI century. People fly to the Mars and use digital amp models. Yes. I have spent whole night to think about the reference riff to be used as the world standard for leveling patches. ;) So please play 4 bars "Smoke on the Water" thru the loudness meter, set the level of your patches and reveal the truth. :D
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    Best method of setting patches levels to the same volume??

    The loudness meters give as accurate loudness representation as much as digital amp models represent sounds of analog amps. Irrelevant when comparing wide spectrum sounds at the similar monitoring levels. K weigting contais kind of conclusion of F/M curve influence. Sure, but monitor/room EQ influence all sounds the same way at the same listening spot. To be nonsense precise one can make the loudness metering using reference mic at the listening spot (zone). Yes, threre is. Recording direct signal, playing thru patches and adjusting their level accordingly. The software that makes a ping of the prerecorded signal and automaticaly adjust output level can be written. Loudness metering is meant to minimize the particular brain and ears bias called perception. This is why LUFS measuring can be called objective and repeatable and ear leveling subjective and unrepeatable. A saturated tone registered at -30LUFS should be precieved as equally loud as crystal clear tone at -30LUFS by average listening human target (dogs and bats would probably need a diferent weighting curve) Something can be done about it - we can use the loudness metering to level the music material. You can not unbalance something balanced by playing. Leveling equally means you get the same loudness with the same guitar and playing with different patches. Different playing while leveling patches means cheating. However there can be some influence of the sample being used to make the leveling. I can be wrong of course. If somebody demonstrates how three different patches can be set equally loud better with ear than with the loudness meter I can change my convictions easily.
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    reamp with stomp hx and pro tools

    If it doesn't change anything I would not bother. ;)
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    Helix ASIO driver and Cubase 10

    There is hardly anyhing to explain. If you use Helix Multi Output for monitoring, USB 1/2 outputs are wired to Hx outputs and to your DAW inputs and USB 1/2 input (DAW monitoring output) is also wired to that output "combo" . The manual is self explanatory and has nice pictures.
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    Too much time to think.... 2.8 (hardware) vs 1.8 (native)

    STEP 1b—Backing Up Helix Native If you don't currently own Helix Native, skip this step. Open any instance of Helix Native 2.80 (NOT the new Helix Native 1.81) within your DAW and click the "My Account" button :)
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    Disable qwerty

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    reamp with stomp hx and pro tools

    What do you see in "I/O Setup"? Did you try to reset to "Default"?
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    Helix Native MIDI out?

    It seems HxN can not send any MIDI from the plugin. Some DAWs can however map automation to MIDI out but I haven't tried it.