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Well that's your problem, you don't want to set it to "Pre cab/IR", if you do, you bypass the cab emulation as well as any effects after the cab. You want to set it to "main out" if you're going to use Go's "amp out" to the "FX return" of your Marshall. And as mentioned, yeah go 4 cable method is best method!

That's not a bad looking axe!!! nice score for 300...!

No offense to the Headrush 108, but have you every tried playing music with it? (regular music, ex; playing classical music, rock, etc.) My guess, it's not really designed to play at home at low volumes, it's more a design to blast sound out, so you will not get great sound quality from it... Hear it here for instance, at around 3m: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4OyItH10hoU I mean it doesn't sound good from where I'm sitting. Compare to just a Boss Katana https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNBAE0tCm_A But of course, it's ~$200, so you can't expect 'end game' quality sound... You have other sound samples here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgKPP5BG2p4 So I'm 95% sure it's a case I think where you're hearing the limitations of the speaker (driver + tweeter). Do you have a regular stereo at home? Try plugging Go's headphone out to it, and compare. I'm using stereo speakers + cheap T-Amp (what I had laying around), and it sounds incomparable vs a L6 Spider Amp... But yeah, $200 amp vs speakers costing maybe ~$1000 a pair... The Go deserve quality speakers, in stereo if possible, so unless you play music out of the FRFR 108 and it sounds 'phenomenal', I think you're just hearing to sound of the 108. Unless it sounds much worse than any of the above video... But from what I heard from the clips, they do seem to have that sort of distinctive boxy/muddy sound; not much depth/clarity... This guy at 4m https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioFesfEOTR0 describes it as "it sounds like the headrush has a cold", nasal... Anyway, don't expect too much from the FRFR!

112V https://oldtimemusic.com/yamaha-pacifica-112v/ Still great for beginners/amateurs, for what, 1/3rd cost of a Strat, great buy! My US Strat gets barely any use in comparison... The hum issue isn't that bad, and I couldn't find anyone else commenting on it anywhere, so might be an issue with mine. Or... They're all the same, but it's largely a non-issue so nobody noticed... Had it for years, and I just noticed a couple days ago, and had I not directly compared, probably would have never noticed it hummed more than the others. My favorite PU config is definitely HSS, strat tones neck + humbucker bridge, best of both worlds. I was thinking for a short while of upgrading to maybe something like an Ibanez AZ or Vola, but you're talking more than 5x the cost of the Pac... Vola was interesting, especially since they now have distributors for US & Canada, but buying online isn't incredible when you can't try before hand...

Well since it turned out to be mainly one guitar, I think that particular guitar is the culprit. Found this: It was a bit misleading because with lots of gain, compressor, distortion, etc., every guitar will hum at one point, so when configuring new patches I noticed the hum with different guitars, but when comparing directly guitars with the same settings, then it became evident that one hummed much more than others, almost as much as a single coil... Which is quite weird... I don't think I'll bother with a power conditioner as the Go's noise gate fixes the issue, also I think my power is already fairly clean. Thanks for your help vox! :) Still weird that if I touch a guitar tuner, the hum stops though... LOL

It's not the same type of hum though... For instance, take here https://youtu.be/JAllMFGdQTI?t=996 this is like a magnetic hum from the pickups themselves, but if you notice, it doesn't go away when he touches the strings. Mine does though! Large hum, I touch the strings, bridge or tuners, and ploof, no more hum, gone! But yeah I tested different guitars with the same amp & settings, and it does appear that the hum does vary by guitar. For some reason, the Yamaha Pacifica's humbucker is by far the most noisy, and the only one which I now think has an issue with... With the same OD + Amp with drive all the way up, all the other humbuckers do their job and stop the hum, but not this one... I don't get it... :\

But if it's just really that every pickup will inherently pick up some noise, and high gain amplifies that noise a lot, then yeah power conditioner would do absolutely nothing... But it is weird that it goes away if you touch the strings though. It really does seem like there's some sort of grounding issue between the guitar and the Go. I can even touch just one of the guitar tuners and poof, the noise almost completely disappear! On my Yamaha Pac, every of 5 pickup positions do it, even the humbucker and position 2 and 4 (which should be hum canceling), but the hum sounds different as you go through PUs options...

Ibanez HSH or HH, Fender SSS, PRS SE HH, etc., What is weird is that if there was a ground loop, I would hear it from other systems (audio speakers, etc.), but it's really just from the Go, with high gain amps, so it doesn't look like it's a ground loop. Also, I don't get it from my L6 Spider amp, which to my knowledge doesn't have a noise gate, but maybe... Hmmm... Ha! The Spider amp does have a 'hidden' defeatable noise gate, and if I turn it off manually, I'm getting similar noise... So yeah maybe it is 'normal' behavior...! Would using a power conditioner with the go + amp reduce or fix this issue?

I'm getting some bit of weird noise with high gain amps, where it's humming if I'm not touching any metal part of the guitar, but goes away as soon as I touch the strings or bridge. I'm using headphone out to stereo amp & speakers, and just a guitar in cable... Getting the same with multiple guitars, and what's strange is that it does it even with humbuckers. It's almost like if there was a ground loop... Sure, noise gate does help, but it doesn't feel quite normal that I'm getting that much 'electrical' noise for no apparent reason... Any idea what could be causing it and is anyone getting the same thing?

What was the wiring issue?

Who cares about real-world rig?! If you're dreaming that you're in your harem in your floating castle, surrounded by beautiful women, riches, delicious food, etc., would you rather wake up frustrated that castles do not fly and that therefore you should not have a floating harem castle, or stay a little longer and enjoy the marvels of your dream world? Yeah, you're not limited with the real world constrains of an unpractical guitar rig. Instead, you're given previously impossible options & settings, it's a wonderful thing, appreciate it! So sure, you want to put your distortion after your cab, or your amp after your speaker cab, go ahead! The world is yours! If you want to use it it's there, if not, don't use it! It's 100% up to you! Not being able to do all those things when it's technically possible would have been a HUGE shame and limitation!

Nice I was also looking for something like that thanks!

More than good enough if that's only what you'll use... It is less than 1/2 price... Basically, with Go, you have 4 'free' slots where you can put any effect. You always have an EQ, Volume/Wah pedal, amp and cab. Plus 4 whatever. So with your above, the Amp, wah and EQ are 'free / always on'. You'd have 1 chorus, 1 phase, 1 delay, and you'd have 1 slot free for a Go distortion pedal, compressor, a reverb, looper, etc. https://youtu.be/sjRP5gtnZCA?t=1647 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6f4slSLGlo

Yeah definitely! There's just soo many options lol My main issues is that for some reason (well obvious reasons), the settings which some love and sound great with others guitars, often just sounding bad for me... And I mean I have a few, guitars Ibanez RG/RGA/ART (HH, HSH, actives), Yamaha Pac 112v (HSS), Parker (HH with piezo), Fender, etc., and honestly, already the way the Go's amps react to every guitar and how much really they make the different patches sound so different, is pretty crazy... So when you add not only different amps, but also different distortion pedals, ouch... Like I posted in another vid teh etypitch (sp?! can never remember his name) where the guy goes through almost all the presets, and they pretty much all sound great, I'm getting almost the opposite; where I don't "get" what the patch should do, and it sounds maybe not bad, but not inspiring and somewhat bland and not that usable for me... The Go is really a great tool, but boy, it does require quite a bit of skill to be used proficiently. Not that it's complicated to use, but it has so many options, overwhelming... I think I would need to go back to the the amp thread, focus on only 2-3 amps, get to know them very well, then maybe add some distortions, really get a good feel to what they do, how they interact with the different amps. Maybe download more patches and see how they work...

Your amp has got an FX loop, nice! The most optimal method to connect would be the 4 cable method, page 7 of the manual. It allows you to use your amp's distortion via the Go's effect loop, really cool! If you don't want to complicate things though, you can just plug your guitar to Go's guitar in and Go's Main out to your amp's FX loop return. Make sure your main out is set to instrument level in the Go's global settings. (manual page 32) And btw how is the sound Go via headphones? Oh and no go for directly in the cabinet. The Go doesn't have an amplifier, so the sound needs to be amplified somehow! I'm using a regular stereo amplifier via hifi speakers, also works great!

How are they totally different? I mean sure, I get that a valve amp's distortion characteristics will be different from a solid state pedal, as the valve will introduce more natural harmornics and it will react differently to dynamics. Hmm... Damn... But yeah thinking how different OD/distortion types will combine is pretty damn hard to visualize... I guess when the amp saturates the sound with distortion, the pedal becomes less apparent, but the cleaner the tone, the more the pedal might sound through. But again... Can't you just basically get the same (or very similar) pedal+amp clean'ish tone via another amp who's distortion characteristic is similar to the result of the pedal+amp?

Yeah that's why my question was rather multifold: 1) Are you really getting a 'special' tone that you cannot reproduce with one of the ~100 amps when you're using a distortion pedal plus amp? I mean yeah I'm fairly aware that if you're using a JCM800 + distortion pedal, you likely won't be able to make it sound the same without the pedal. But what about one of the other amp models? 2) Should we re-think how we 'see' distortion as pedal plus amp? I mean in the old days, you had a limited number of amps, and you didn't have the direct control of it like you do with the Helix/Go. So if you were SRV, you basically had a choice of maybe a few dozen amps (I'm guessing), and you basically also had no choice but to use a boost or distortion pedal to get a certain tone. But this is 2020, and we all have 100+ amps available at the switch of a button, not to mention amps that weren't available to SRV at the time. So can't you basically ditch the distortion pedal and get a nearly identical sound from just another amp model? I mean at the root, distortion & overdrive are both clipping the signal. And clipping a clipped signal is just another type of distortion. But how many 'types' of distinctive distortion is there? In Go, there's 100+ amps, so in theory, 100+ types of distortions. Each can be tweaked... Is there not one distortion pattern that will match JCM8000 + Boss SD1 or JCM8000 + TS?

I'm just wondering, given all the amp models, is stacking a pedal's distortion plus amp distortion that much different than what you could get using just a different amp with more gain, some tweaking of the sag, EQ, master volume, bias, etc.? Shouldn't you be able to just using snapshots or low/high settings, to basically get nearly the same result as distortion pedal plus amp? Ex1; If you're using distortion pedal as a boost. Well here, using snapshot or low/high settings, you could easily increase the input volume to act like a boost, even adjust tone if you want, similar to what you'd get in a screamer or whatever... Ex2; using distortion pedal as to stack the pedal's distortion and the amp's. Well here, couldn't you simply use a different amp with more gain or just an amp who's distortion characteristics would match the other pedal + amp stacked distortion characteristics? TLDR: so basically, shouldn't you just be able to get a nearly identical distortion by just tweaking amp & other settings, or is there something inherently drastically different to stacking distortions?

Just a correction, that's not really the case. As with most solid state drives, be it speaker amplifiers or headphone, solid state amplifiers impart very little color to the sound. You can see it in the reviews with measurements, where the FR is basically flat from 10Hz-20kHz. For primitive tube technology, then yeah, it'll make a significant difference, but most headphone amps are SS and so are very neutral.

Got any sound sample or anything? It didn't sound great for me also on headphones, but sounds great with headphone out to amp & stereo speakers. There's plenty of examples on youtube where it doesn't sound bad, so if yours sound muffled, very definitely something wrong on your end, or if it's really the unit, then I guess it's possible you got a defective unit... It should sound 100% like the full blown helix... Do you have a presence dial or other config issue with your monitors? Are you getting anything like the above or is your setup sounding stupidly bad in comparison?

My 2006 Spider 3 amp doesn't do it though, lol I also found it strange. I wonder why that is... Does the full blown Helix also do the same thing? I would say that's one of its main weakness, but it's $450............! Listen, for what you get, it's lollipopING mental..... (just want to see what it'll replace lollipoping mental with! lol) So even if you ONLY got those 4 slots by themselves, it would still be pretty damn awesome... I mean one distortion pedal is easily $100, boutique crap go for what, like 2-5 times that much? As much as the Go? LOL The Go doesn't really take more space than 4 pedals, it's much more practical than 4 stupid pedals with wires... You can preset all your 4 pedals with different settings and change all four at the press of a button. Crazy! Also, if you already have some pedals, say you already have a delay pedal and a reverb, etc., you can still use them and your '4' effects now become 6! But personally, so far, 4 seems to do the job... There's also a lot of ways you can workaround the issue. Take the distortion pedal, if you use it as a boost, you can do the same with the built-in volume, so you save 1 slot. Also, you can simply use multiple patches. Sure there's a 'slight' silence when switching, but hey, this lollipop is 450................. Hell, it's the price of ONE boutique pedal....... My old Akai head rush looper cost like 1/2 of the Go! What you get is really insane for the price...

I think these are amps and not cabs! hehe I've just started to try to make my own Go tones, and wow... The cabs really do make a drastic difference... Was just trying the AC30 amp, and boy, just changing the cab really does a huge difference, so much so that it's almost like it's almost like changing the amp itself! I think that for a newbie, the option "link cab/amp" should be off? That way, you can somewhat familiarize yourself with the cab's sound, and afterwards trying out different amps... Or maybe forego the cabs completely and just play with amps? Shish and then there's the cabs options themselves... Even the mic model, mic distance, reflections, which I'm sure will again change everything...

Thanks I'll likely check out it! I created a amps thread and a cabs thread, hopefully people can share some good info in there, I was thinking definitely effects also, but that might be a bit much for now lol Oh I was also reading the Pod Go thread on thegear page, I started about page 180, thread starts when it's announced and and everyone speculates, so actual product discussion late... But it's pretty much mishmash, all kinds of random topic so... Not so much discussion about effects and such... Though there are some patches to download and a few screenshots with some settings https://www.thegearpage.net/board/index.php?threads/line-6-pod-go.2113195/page-200

Haha yeah I'm not a big fan of facebook! Who knows maybe we can get the ball rolling here! I created two posts, let's see how it goes. :)

Just curious what are your favorite amps? I'm for now looking for mostly a good lead tone. I've read good things about the Line6 Litigator, and I've always loved the Mesa Boogie Dual Rectifier, but I'm new to Go so haven't spent too much time fiddling... There are sooo many options...! It will take months to just have a basic grasp of all, and I doubt I'll be an expert in a couple of months, plus who knows if some amp sounds 'bad' with default settings but shine when tweaked... I know some of the major players, but not so much about specific models, and even something classic like Vox AC30 don't have much experience with, seems mostly famous for classic rock rhythm tones, but maybe not greatest for lead? So would you have suggestions about the top amps for different genres/categories/guitar types, etc.? Or maybe some of the classic amp and guitar combinations? So that at least newbies like me could start off just targeting a couple amps? Thanks! :)