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Alright... The next day... phil_m: First of all thanks for your help it helped me understand "bypass snapshot" and the snapshots! =) (probably could not have done it without you... LOL) I'm just ranting and venting here (also trolling, just a little.. hehe) so please just take my comments with more than a grain of salt! ;) Reading the Line 6 manual or sentences like these make me believe I am dyslexic... I have no idea what that bold sentence is supposed to mean... 15 minutes fiddling with the editor, and reading doc & this comment, I think I finally understand it. So apparently, the only thing this "snapshot bypass" does is that when it is unchecked (off), when you turn on the effect block on/off in Edit, it changes the on/off state for all snapshots. But every parameter value (except on/off) are still applied. So the block is not really bypassed now is it? That's the type of silly nonsense I'm talking about when I say that it's idiosyncratic. It's ridiculous. ([edit/Correction] Ah ok... As you said, it's only "Parameters you have assigned to controller" which do change, fantastic, that way people trying to figure out how it works can get confused with this incredible logic where it's bypassed but then it's not bypassed! Wonderful! Thanks L6!) Also, if you want to bypass the on/off state of the block, shouldn't the option be on/checked instead of off/unchecked? Bypass = "A means of circumvention.". If you want to bypass something; circumvent something; go around it, the bypass option should be TURNED ON, OR CHECKED. And if you DO NOT want to bypass, then the option SHOULD BE TURNED OFF, OR UNCHECKED. Yet, in Pod Go Edit, it's the opposite. You want to bypass the state of the snapshot. But in PG Edit, "snapshot bypass" checked(on) = block on/off state not bypassed, and "snapshot bypass" unckecked(off) = block on/off state bypassed. But to go back to the "snapshot bypass" feature. In what use case would that option ever be useful? If you're in snapshot mode, you can switch between SS 1/2/3/4, but you can't really turn on or effects using the foot switches, and if you're using snapshots, which are basically used to switch from one set of parameters to others using the foot switches, I don't really see the case where you'd want to fiddle with knobs to edit parameters on the fly (or while playing LOL) and somehow manually manage one or many blocks while switching snapshots. LOL Just doesn't seem very useful, and I don't get why it's the 2nd thing (1st is how to select snapshots) in the manual, before even "how to configure snapshots"... It's really so silly, so badly explained in the manual, and the function works illogically and the checkboxes for bypass on/off are inverted, like seriously... Even with a cooler head, this sh!t's ridiculous...! GP Edit should be able to take the 4 snapshots, compare them with one another and only assign as parameters for the values which change between snapshots. I mean it's not rocket science, it's full blown software running on a PC, we're in 2020, and L6 coders can't compare 4 snapshots to find the differences and automatically assign as parameters...?! A list of snapshot/paramValue differences, iterate through each snapshots parameter and see if they're the same for the 4 snapshots, if param value is different add to list. Done! Your list of differences contain your parameters... An intern could code this in 20 minutes... lmfao! I mean sorry to sound like an lollipop, but seriously... This is ridiculous...

There's another thread about it, could just be one of the multiple Pod Go common crash/bug issues... search the forum... If I wasn't so exhausted from a long day at work and a frustrating evening trying to figure out Pod Go Edit snapshots, I'd have looked for you, but I'm just too darn exhausted right now... :\ (gawd im such a drama queen lol)

Sure, that's what you would expect, except if you try to do it like that, it doesn't work...! So I guess it's 'basically' how it works just like monopoly money is basically real money...! Or faith healing is basically chemotherapy...! lol ;) So yeah, you try it how it should logically work, and it doesn't work. So you open the manual, find the snapshot section. First it tells you how to select a snapshot, good, then you're met with this: So basically, you need to set your blocks snapshot bypasses? What's "snapshot bypass" option? What does it do? But all of the blocks are set to "snapshot bypass" checked (ON) by default, which don't really make much sense if you don't want to bypass the blocks in the snapshots... But from the manual, if you want the snapshot to bypass the blocks, you need to uncheck "snapshot bypass" (off), then the block will be excluded from the snapshot. So, "snapshot bypass" checked/on means that the snapshots will not bypass the blocks...?! Does that really make sense? Did I read it wrong? How is this so confusing?! So seems the opposite of 'bypassing'... Bypassing on/checked means it's not bypassing, and bypassing off/unchecked means it's bypassing, whatever... So, let's say SS1 sets level = 1, and SS3 sets level = 10, and SS2 has level = 5, but has the effect block "snapshot bypass" checked/on, then it will change the value of level to 5 is you recall SS2? But, if "snapshot bypass" is unchecked/off, then it will bypass the SS2 level = 5 and will not change the level value? Is that it? I just tested it, with snapshot bypass off, it changes the value of the level. And with it on, it also changes the level... So either way it doesn't seem to be bypassed... It doesn't even work. And even if I turn the effect block on/off with different snapshots, the "snapshot bypass" on/off value seems to do squat. So what does it even do? And why is this the 1st thing in the manual for snapshot configuration?! And how is it possible to be so unclear about what the feature does?! Then carrying on... I'm sorry but that's completely different than my 3 steps above...!! You have to mess with controllers, deal with the same super annoying "assignment indicators" on the left... Why can't you just function the same way you normally configure the patches?! (EDIT: it really does work like the manual states. Strikethrough = false) But yeah, after reading your post and trying it out, it is much less painful than the 5 steps above tell you to do and will make you believe... Since once you hit the 'snapshots' button in the 'select controller' after pressing "assignment indicator, any other value you change is automatically saved in the snapshot. Something which is not mentioned above. In Step #5, it clearly tells you: "repeat the above steps to create snapshot assignments for additional parameters, allowing all to have your determined values recalled per snapshot!". It doesn't say that you can change other values without having to go through steps 1-4... So reading that s###, it seemed like you had to click on the assignment indicator, then (you have to) click on assign parameter, then on snapshots button, for every single parameter, for every single snapshot...!!! Anyway, yeah, snapshots aren't as bad as they appeared to be after trying to figure it out in the PG Edit & then reading the manual. But again, why is it so horrendously documented in the manual, and why do you even have to click on the stupid "assignment indicator" and then the snaphot in the select controller window?! Switching snapshots should just allow you to change values. Maybe a checkbox on top [ ] EDIT SNAPSHOTS on the toolbar which allows you to directly edit snapshots, without that ridiculous "it is first necessary to create a snapshot controller assignment for the parameter (other than for the Bypass)"... At least if the manual was clear and clearly explained how it works. Anyway... Extremely frustrating. All those annoyances, bricked unit during firmware update, can't press footswitch from Edit, losing min/max values when clicking on footswitch, can't edit footswitch values from the footswitch, can't turn on/off pedals from Edit, poor manual, idiosyncratic & unintuitive PG Edit for snapshots and others. All those add up and just make working with the Go a PITA. It's sad. It's a good unit for what it does; emulation. But my god... Everything around it just kinda sucks. The software, the interface... It's not the worse, it's just not good, and frustrating and annoying to deal with.

So since this is basically my whining thread (lol) and I basically gave up on the min/max values, I decided to give snapshots a Go. And boy, was I not impressed... The way I imagined snapshots would work: 1) You configure your Go settings as you want: This is your base settings, normal; snapshot1 aka SS1. 2) You switch to snapshot 2 (SS2); if it's 'empty', it just keeps your current settings (SS1), if SS2 has been configured, it loads SS2 settings. 3) You modify your settings as you would in #1, which basically this modifies SS2, like you would normally configure PG. repeat the above #2 and #3 for SS3 and SS4, save done. Simple, elegant, easy to work with. You setup your snapshots as you would normally setup Pod Go. Instead, we got this monstrosity: ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- WHY?! So honestly, I could never have imagined that Snapshots would also be such a mess. I'm flabbergasted. Before buying the Go, one of the advertised plus for the Helix/Go over others was simplicity, and I was totally unprepared of having to deal with such idiosyncratic configuration behavior. I'm astonished. Amazed. Speechless... How did such a horrendous system make it to market?! I don't get it... I've read the manual like 4 times now, and I can't fathom how anyone would dare claim that it is a logical and practical way to edit snapshots. TLDR: Snapshot editing from Pod Go Edit = I want to die, so I'm going home.

I don't really get it since it already does most of it... Ex: If you disable a block in the Editor, it will disable the block on the Pod Go (PG)... And if there is a foot switch (FS) linked to the block, it will turn the FS on or off on the PG. So the Edit software already has the ability to control the FS status (on/off). They even already have the GUI for the foot switches... Just implement the likely 5 lines of code so that when you click on it, it turns it on/off, and in the GUI it goes dark... It's simple programming stuff, if their software isn't made by clowns (meaning it's badly coded and falls apart as soon as you touch any of it), should only take a couple of hours for a single programmer...! But no, you get some moronic functions instead where if you click on a FS in the GUI, it assigns new functions or resets existing functions.. It's so ridiculous... Plus not being able to turn on/off FS with multiple parameters... As i said, the min/max features seem half-assed... Badly designed, maybe rushed due to delivery date crunch, etc., but man, it's so ridiculous, it's such bad functionality... Honestly, I work in tech, in software, and the notion that you could not 'fully' edit your patches from the PG Edit seemed so ridiculous to me it's probably why I didn't even conceive the possibility in the first place. It's really so ridiculous... But hey, likely delivery dates & it's not a 'huge' feature, so I guess it was either delivery as it is now, or nothing.

Not sure you're responding to who...! The TLDR of the questions would be this: 0) Can you, by pressing a button or whatever from PG Edit, apply all the min or the max values so you can hear what it'll sounds like? (as if you had pushed the FS on the Pod Go, so it activates/deactivates the effects and sets the min/max values) -> answer is apparently: No. (has to be done from PG) 1) change multiple parameters white FS light to yellow: No. 2) Can you turn on/off a multiple parameter from the PG Edit. -> answer is apparently: No. (has to be done from PG) 3) Can you click somewhere in PG Edit so that you can edit the multiple parameters assiged to a FS? Answer is apparently: No. You can edit values in individual block settings, but there is no way to access the different parameter values by just clicking on a FS in PG Edit. When you click on a FS in the "Bypass/Control Window" it screws up the settings or adds a new setting you don't want, and if you click on the FSx on top of the blocks in the chain, you only have the parameters for the current block. You can remove parameters by clicking on '...' of a FS in "Bypass/Control Window", but there is apparently no way to select the FS and then edit all of its assigned the values, something which should have been a basic feature...

You can't even edit properly with the PG Edit, as I said way too many limitations. You need access to the PG itself to fiddle with the foot switches and check FS status on the unit itself, and some parts of PG Edit are just badly designed and totally unpractical & PITA to use. If I had to rate so far the Go: Sound quality /features/etc: 9/10 I'd say it's near perfect for me. More effects would be nice (ex 5 or 6 'anything' effects block instead of 4), but no biggie, what it does is already plenty. Editing from the Pod Go: 4/10. A big pain the butt to set what you want to set because of the badly designed user interface and super long lists to scroll through. Just slow & not fun. Editing from the Pod Go Edit: 6/10. It works well for the simple stuff; setting parameters and turning blocks and effect on and off. But once you try to use it to set min/max values and FS with multiple values, it really, really sucks. So maybe 7.5/10 for editing easy stuff, and 3/10 for min/max and editing multiple foot switches. Plus as I said you can't even edit properly with just Pod Go Edit, you absolutely need to fiddle and check stuff (FS on/off for instance) on the Pod Go unit itself, which is stupid. lollipop = censored expletive. This. I think the multiple parameter thing is just half-assed and unpractical to use. I think we'd all be much better off forgetting they even exist and just go with snapshots. (all my above complaints go away if you're just using the 'basic' settings and have 1 on/off block bypass per FS...)

Ok so from what I could find in the manual and searching in other threads (FS = Foot Switch) 0) Couldn't find about activating/deactivating FS. Of course, you can enable/disable blocks, but not 'press' a footswitch from PG Edit... Lame, or did I miss something? 1) you cannot change the FS color; with 2 changes it becomes white and it stays white. 2) Couldn't find anything in the manual to change the state of a button with press/depressed... But now I think that the Edit settings are for the switches all at ON, and if you want to ... No I can't figure out how the logic of how this lollipoping thing works... The only way I think you can do it is if you physically press on the FS of the Go to save the button states, otherwise, they're always on it seems like on the PG Edit and you just can't change it... Which is lollipoping stupid. Yeah, after messing more with it, it is lollipoping stupid. You have zero visual cues from Edit about the state of the FS with multiple parameters, and when you save, it saves the block status relative to the FS status of the Go (whether it's on or off). Then it just inverts the status of the block vs the light of the FS when you press it. So if your FS on the Go is light up, and you save from the Edit with the block off, then the block on/off is inverted to the FS on/off. Absolutely ridiculous... 3) Couldn't find anything about how how to click on a FS and being able to edit its parameters... If you know the parameter (ex; output level), seems you can click on the little FS button next to the setting, but left clicking on the FS will always lollipop things up, and right clicking you can see the setting but not edit it. It's lollipoping stupid. And if you go from the FSx on top of the chain, then you don't have access to parameters outside of your block. Unless again I missed something. Anyway, looks like really lollipop design, really stupid. Yeah this is pretty lollipoping frustrating. It seems pretty much half-assed like if PG Edit can control the Go, but in actuality it can't really, it can only control a limited set of functions and you can't just use the computer to configure/use the Go, you absolutely need physical access to the Go itself to do the things you can't do from PG Edit. Also after reading 30 pages of the stupid manual and coming up with pretty much zero answers to my questions, plus an hour of testing to try to figure this lollipop out, I mean, I like the Go for what can do, but this entire experience with the brick unit during update and rather lollipop software is really disappointing and frustrating. A real PAIN IN THE A$$

It's perfectly fine! Is there a Pod Go Edit Manual?! I've never seen it so haven't been able to read that one... ha there is.. https://line6.com/data/6/0a020a3f175c05ef3cce381757/application/pdf/POD Go Edit - Pilot's Guide - English .pdf Ok gave a quick look of the 20 first pages and didn't see anything but I guess I'll have to read it thoroughly later... thanks!

And Bonus questions... As soon as I assign 2 things, the light color changes to white... So 1) if I wanted to turn off a distortion and change the level, is there any way to still have the light shine as yellow instead of white? 2) the white light is now even inverted... Meaning that the distortion is off and it lights up in white, and when distortion is on, it goes dark... Can you control it so it does the opposite? [edit: Ok now it somehow inverted and when the light is shining the distortion is on... Not sure how that happened...] -> [edit 2: Ok you can reverse it by enaling/disabling the distortion ON THE POD GO... So, ex; FS is on, you turn the distortion on, and it 'assigns' on FS to on distortion... And vice-versa. It doesn't seem to work from the POD Go Edit, the on/off gets all screwy and it just doesn't work, or at least for the life of me I can't figure out how it's supposed to work from PG Edit..........] It seems like min/max things just don't work very well and I should just stop bothering with them and instead just aim for 4 snapshots... Would this be a correct assessment? Bonus bonus question: 3) Also how do you go back to the button parameters without losing them? Ex: If I'm on FS5 and I want to edit FS4, when I click on FS4, then it assigns a new min/max thing from the last parameter I touched, and if it was the parameter which was already configured, then I just lose the configured values and it resets back to default min/max... Sigh... (and by sigh, I mean that at first glance the software seems to work great, and it does work well for its base features. But as soon as you try to do anything of the more complex stuff, then you realize that it really doesn't work very well and that in fact it's like either idiosyncratic design or just rushed/bad implementation... [edit3] This is frustrating... So frustrating... )

Let's say I bind activate Distortion and change the min/max value of some parameter. Is there any way I can simulate a footswitch press on the Go from PG Edit? Ex: When I click on FS1 button on the "Hide/bypass control" window, it just assigns/resets whatever setting I just changed, (ex; if level was assigned, it'll reset its min to -120dB and max to +20dB) but it doesn't do anything for the current settings; it doesn't turn on/off the distortion and doesn't change the min/max values... So short of getting up, walking 2 meters to POD Go and hitting the footswitch FS1 manually, you can't simulate a footswitch on or off!? Rather annoying that apparently you just can't......

Yep! Think my issue was similar, noise/hum with high gain amps? What guitar are you using? https://line6.com/support/topic/56573-humming-with-high-gain-that-goes-away-with-touching-metal-part-of-the-guitar-solved/?do=findComment&comment=340976

Almost same thing happened to me. The key to me seemed to be closing the updater after a failed attempt. The message says to just retry, but I retried multiple times and it didn't work multiple times. But it worked after closing and unplugging everything... Maybe it was all fluke though, but since fails all happened rather quickly (maybe even quicker each time?), I think closing updater is indeed key... https://line6.com/support/topic/56809-error-while-updating-to-firmware-111-pod-go-wont-boot-up/

Btw Vox have you noticed that your Pacifica is noisier than others? From what I read about the P90, they are extremely noisy, so I now think that there was probably a grounding issue with my 112V, and shielding it somehow fixed it... I've seen some reviews vid where they had a Fender strat type guitar, and they had put just copper foil on the PU screws, and the switch, so not even shielding, just grounding the PUs and switch. I think this is what solved it in my case. I guess you could test it with yours, max distortion pedal and amp, see how it sounds, then just touching anything metal, see if the noise changes. If it does, then probably just using foil on the pickguard, like this, just making sure it also covers the switch, would solve the issue, I would try that before foiling the entire thing...

If you really wanted to 'delete' the presets, you could probably save a 'new preset' or whatever the name of the empty preset is, and save it to all the presets using Pod Go Edit... That would probably be the fastest way to get rid of the presets!

I was also thinking about shielding the 112V guitar; since it's mostly worse with that one. And I actually just did that, just using some aluminum foil on the pickguard and in the cavity of the 2 single coils. The way the humbucker cavity is routed, there's not even enough space for 1 layer of aluminum! So I thought this would do nothing since I couldn't really shield the humbucker, but lo and behold, it seemed to have worked! I think it did a good difference, should have been more scientific and do a test before and after, but being lazy, I just did it, and I think it made a difference... Oh yeah just compared with another guitar and it's definitely fixed. Even with 2 distortion pedals + amp drive maxed, well, there's obviously a lot of noise, but no more of that "you need to touch the strings so that it doesn't hum like a mofo!" :D So yeah for me at least shielding the guitar made a big difference!

I guess this is where the L6 native comes in? (https://shop.line6.com/software/helix-native.html?___store=ww_en&amp;___from_store=ww_en&___store=eu_en) I don't quite understand though how you could send your guitar sound via audio interface, then have the L6 Native crunch the bits to output the processed sound without latency, but you couldn't send your processed sound from POD Go to your DAW and then just play it in a DAW without noticeable latency... So I'm thinking that the L6 Native also has serious latency issues and it's fixed in video editing? After some search; some people are having latency issues with it too, others claim to have none... Also these types of latency issue just sound kinda silly... I have a DAC which has pretty much zero latency, 3D games today seem insanely more intensive than just playing the sound from the POD Go, so I can't understand wtf is so complicated to play already processed sound from the Go without latency...! Blows my mind. Definitely something I'm missing here. Reading up I've now see < ASIO Drivers > mentioned, not sure I was using these or even had these installed, maybe that's part of the issue... I mean I had massive latency, like >0.2s or something...

Yeah obviously...! ;) So there's no DAW or setting or whatever which can reduce the latency enough so that you can effectively output the Go's sound via USB to computer speakers? I vaguely remember that you can reduce the buffer size (or buffer number?) of the DAW, which reduce latency, haven't tried it yet, but in the same breath he said it also reduce the sound quality, haven't gotten to test it out yet, wonder if it's usable... Hmmm...

I was trying to find some DAW which would allow me to use the Go to output direct from computer speakers, but I haven't really found one which can do it, for instance Audacity has massive delay which make nearly impossible to use live. Is there any way to do it? Something I'm missing?

Yeah, that's the point of snapshots!

Could it be clipping for some reason? Are you running other effects or have you boosted the volume anywhere else on the chain? I think it's probably user 'error' as this isn't really the type of 'bug' you encounter... It's dedicated software + hardware so if it's working on one unit, should work on all, unless your unit has some physical defect somewhere, but then it would likely apply always and not with just a specific setting like 'drive > 4'... Could you try just starting from a new preset, with just amp + cab, say Cali Rectifier, increase the drive to 8, should be fine... I even added EQ +12dB and no issue on my end. Maybe check your global EQ... Plus lastly, if you record anything using a DAW, same thing?

You probably looked it up yourself, but main differences; the outputs inputs are limited on the GO, there's no parallel amp in the chain (so couldn't run two different amps to have two different amps in stereo), limited number of blocks compared to helix; you have 4 'anything' block (delay, distortion, effects, compressor, etc. So you could put 4 distortions ,4 reverbs, etc.), the other blocks (volume/wah pedal, EQ, amp, cab) are static and although they can be moved you can't say replace EQ with reverb. Also out of I don't know 250+ amps/effects/etc., there's maybe 5 or something missing from helix. That's pretty much it, besides price, size of unit, etc. The sound quality is 100% the same as the big helix.

Yeah you shouldn't be editing or saving anything during live gigs imho... There's 2 features which could be useful; snapshots, allows you to save different states, so you'd be better off having a couple snapshots to deal with whatever you're having to deal with. Also there's min/max values instead of on/off, so maybe that could give you whatever adjustments you would need to do live... Or, just go with the 100+ user patches!

I just started to use the Pod Go Edit software and boy does that make a huge difference... My thought process was better start with just the unit itself, learn how to use it as is, and once I'm fairly familiar with how to use it properly on its own, then move on the to the Pod Go Edit. But I think that was a mistake as honestly, editing patches with Go Edit is 10x better than directly on the unit... Just having the list of amps, cabs, etc., with pictures makes a huge difference, especially with amps where there's 100+ different ones and scrolling to find one takes forever! So suggestion for improving POD Go: Add an interface to show the effects/amps/cabs/etc., with pictures in a grid, for easy selection. Ex: If the amp select page was fullscreen and showed say 12 or 18 amps (2 or 3 rows of 6 amps) with the same pictures as Go Edit, and you could scroll through the next/previous 12 or 18 amps using the pages, man, that would be a HUGE plus for usability! As is, scrolling through 100+ amps or dozens and dozens of cabs, effects, etc., is PITA! Fullscreen page for setting up amps, effects, etc. If you could have 2-3 rows of parameters, and the page would select scroll from row to row, that would be a lot better than always showing the top chain, which you're not going to edit if you're editing a distortion, amp, cab, etc. Seeing more parameters in one page would be a an improvement! Improve the min/max values... It's quite a pain to setup... Maybe simpler system like pressing one of the footswitch while turning the knob would assign min, and pressing the knob would change the color and assign max? That way, it would be super simple to assign whatever value you wanted to whatever footswitch you wanted. But yeah, man, if you're not using Pod Go edit, you're making yourself a huge disfavor! It's so much faster and more enjoyable than fiddling on the unit itself! But I think that with better UI, editing on the Go could be a lot more enjoyable! #2 and #3 above would be nice to have, but the #1 is really essential IMHO to make editing on the unit itself a lot more practical!

Ah no! I also updated with the Pod Go edit, but it failed and threw the error, then Pod Go Edit would not detect the Go anymore, even in update mode... So only then did I start using L6 update software, which did recognize the Go, and was eventually able update and un-brick the unit!