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Wow, good job guys! Nice Helix tricks doc too. I'd be happy to contribute anyway I can. I suppose we don't necessarily need edit rights as we could post & link here to things that have been vetted. It's probably good to let some things simmer here on the boards for a bit before raising them up to the Wiki.

Voted up quite a few. Thanks!

Wow, you guys are hi-tec musicians for sure! I'd love to see that. Any vids?

Summary of steps condensed down to a 10-step program added to the top post.

Ha! You made me look...I did not find any *.wav files in the Amplitube Program Files or Data. It looks like most of the program is packaged into a couple of large *.pak files, encrypted I'm sure. I agree that it should be as easy was an exported *.wav file. If Amplitube would add that functionality, it would put them in the IR market for us madmen tone-chasers to consume. I think $159 is a good deal for even just an uber-teakable IR (virtual) cab generator. I think many people spend that order of $ on OwnHammer and Redwirez IR's. Now you cant just go directly from Amplitube to Voxengo that I saw. I had to take it through a DAW. It just so happened that Fruity Loops has Fruity Convolver and a nice semi-automated plug in IR capture feature. Long story semi-short, Use Voxengo Deconvolver (VDC) to generate the 20 sec sine sweep impulse *.wav file for an input signal to the DAW plug in (Amplitube) In Fruity Loops, make the Fruity Loops Convolver (FLC)-Amplitube-Fruity Loops Convolver plug in sandwich Turn of the 1st and 3rd slot FLC's and tweak an Amplitube Cab and Mic to taste to a Helix amp Turn on the 1st FLC slot and import and play the Voxengo sine sweep through Amplitube and adjust the Amplitube inputs and outputs below clip (red). Turn on the 3rd FLC slot (all 3 are on now) and record the output (response) of the 1st FLC through Amplitube 2nd slot. In the 3rd FLC slot, add a little silence to the end of the recorded response as for some reason it is slightly shorter than 20 sec. In the 3rd FLC slot, export the response as a *.wav In VDC, load the original VDC-generated 20 sec sine sweep *.wav file and the FLC exported response *.wav file, In VDC, set the magic settings in the pic above (experiment to taste), and click Process In Helix App, drag your new IR it into one of the Impulses slot, put it on a preset, and enjoy. Typing the word "sandwich" made me want a sandwich. Dinner time!

Just wrote this up for Amplitube. http://line6.com/support/topic/19604-irs-from-amplitube-4-cab-room/

Ha, the same way Mesa, Marshall, and Fender appreciate the modeling companies and physical IR guys ;) Personally, I have no plans to sell IR's. I own the the software and all of the models for personal use. But even if one did want to sell them, I think some arguments could be made that the concept of modelling software sounds, especially IR's, is fundamentally not much different than modelling hardware. The IR'S do not sound exactly the same as the AT models and are static. They do not have the adjustability and functionality of the original software plug in. There is no code replication or release. A *.wav file is created from running a signal through plug ins, functionally the same way a guitar or bass is for a track. Songs are sold with plug in sounds on them. Even sample and MIDI based instruments software packages and add ons are made with plug ins. I would say that creating IR'S from plug ins, especially Amplitube, would likely sell more copies of the software, just like models of physical equipment can inspire users to go out and buy the real thing. I mean Amplitube cab room is an amazing concept with almost infinite cab, mic, speaker, and room combinations. An IR from that is a single static tone that is not an exact match, with one persons personal taste and interpretation on what it should sound like. And honestly my intent was to show that IR creation can be achievable for users with no fancy studios, mics, or expensive gear, not to create a software plug in IR market. I think the $159 for Amplitube 4 + Mesa bundle is an AMAZING deal that gives you access to the Cab Room, certified Mesa gear, and some really great next Gen brit amps and cab models for your DAW. Tack on the ability to make IR'S yourself for your Helix, and it seems like a no brainer to me. I mean you spend that for the Helix backpack or Mission pedal. At minimum, it could be justified as just another Helix accessory. I'd really like to see Amplitube add the ability to export cab IR's straight from the software. It has a built in mini DAW. I wouldn't think it would be hard to implement. I would think that functionality would also attract buyers. With all of that soapboxing out of the way, I guess I should go ahead and create non-descript names for the IRs so as not to infringe on trademark names, like Ampliboob Rectumfire cab.

Thanks, I'll check Redwirez out. I bet I have a lot of what I need in my DAWS and plug ins too. Guess that will be phase 2 of my IR evolution ;)

Thanks for the dual path and Leslie tip. It's amazing how mentally programmed I am when it comes to bass signal chain. Im an open minded free spirit when setting up guitar patches. I did get a couple of good bass patches set up for a couple of Muse tunes we do, Hysteria and Time Is Running Out.

Boom! Dang I wish I had my DT50 back. I bailed on the dream rig too soon ;)

Was it a 1 man show with backing tracks? My wife and I are going to try that. I have Superior Drummer as well and an Alesis DM kit to lay down drums. What are you using to playback backing tracks? Are you using Helix to start/stop?

OK, I went ahead and wrote up the steps I can!e up with for creating Amplitude cab IRs. http://line6.com/support/topic/19604-irs-from-amplitube-4-cab-room/

See Command Center section on page 37 of the Helix manual. up to six "Instant" commands can be transmitted automatically when a Helix preset is recalled Pretty sure these instant commands can be set up as MIDI CC to switch the DT topology.

I used to have a Markbass Little Mark III, kind of wish i would have kept it. The light weight and analog power section would probably be a good match for Helix.

Thinking of splitting the signal after everything, adding a cab model, and routing to Helix XLR to FOH as well. And I love the idea of running an SVT preamp as dirt! Cant wait to try it.

In case anyone is interested in creating IR's from Amplitube cabinets. http://line6.com/support/topic/19604-irs-from-amplitube-4-cab-room/

The IR's I have posted on this forum and on Dropbox are made from the Amplitube 4, Fruity Loops, and Voxengo Deconvolver, along with my own tweaks to taste. I asked around this forum and the IK Multimedia forum, Sonar forum, and more and no one had experience or direction. After a lot of research and trial and (lots of) error on my own, I finally got some working pieces in place. The simplest way to do it that I found was with Voxengo Deconvolver and Fruity Loops Fruity Convolver (FLC herein). I'm sure there are other more pro ways to do it. http://www.ikmultimedia.com/products/amplitube4/ (I highly recommend the Amplitube 4 + Mesa pack for $159) http://www.voxengo.com/product/deconvolver/ http://www.image-line.com/downloads/flstudiodownload.html You can completely create and save IR *.wav files that will import into Helix with the demo versions of FL and Voxengo. But you wont be able to save and reopen the FL session, and you cant do more than 3 conversions at a time with the Voxengo demo. Follow the Fruity Convolver "plug-in sandwich" method for creating an plug-in IR in Making impulse responses from plugin effects , which is based on a reverb plug-in. Except use a 20 sec (20Hz-20kHz) sine sweep signal exported from Voxengo in FLC slot 1 instead of the FLC "clap" impulse (which is good for reverbs). I found that although Helix converts IR's to 16 bit, the 24 bit Voxengo IR sine sweep made a better sounding Cab IR. I couldn't tell a difference between 24 bit and 32 bit. Also, I couldn't tell a difference between Mono and Stereo sine sweep through a cab. https://www.image-line.com/support/FLHelp/html/plugins/Fruity%20Convolver.htm Here's a video too. I attached a few screenshots with some notes. I might make a video if you guys want it. Again, the IR's I made were raw, but I thought they sounded good enough for me. A little EQ matching with a plug-in and a track could refine them a bit more. Someone with more time and software tools might do a bit better than I did. Here is a Dropbox link to my working Amplitube IR's https://www.dropbox....Rd2evJJ0Ca?dl=0 FYI, I have a feature request into IK Multimedia to allow IR export directly from Amplitube for live use. We'll see if that goes anywhere. I'm sure they could sell more Amplitube with something like that. They don't have anything like Line 6 IdeaScale that I could find. This should work with other software modellers too, but I only have Amplitube. I can see this also making a good scratch pad for testing virtual cab and mic configurations before setting up physical cabs and mics for real IR's. Posted Line 6 Helix IR Utility to Idea Scale. http://line6.ideasca...ty/813669-23508 Update 4/6/2016: Clarifying summary steps from another post response. Use Voxengo Deconvolver (VDC) to generate the 20 sec sine sweep impulse *.wav file for an input signal to the DAW plug in (Amplitube) In Fruity Loops, make the Fruity Loops Convolver (FLC)-Amplitube-Fruity Loops Convolver plug in sandwich Turn of the 1st and 3rd slot FLC's and tweak an Amplitube Cab and Mic to taste to a Helix amp Turn on the 1st FLC slot and import and play the Voxengo sine sweep through Amplitube and adjust the Amplitube inputs and outputs below clip (red). Turn on the 3rd FLC slot (all 3 are on now) and record the output (response) of the 1st FLC through Amplitube 2nd slot. In the 3rd FLC slot, add a little silence to the end of the recorded response as for some reason it is slightly shorter than 20 sec. In the 3rd FLC slot, export the response as a *.wav In VDC, load the original VDC-generated 20 sec sine sweep *.wav file and the FLC exported response *.wav file, In VDC, set the magic settings in the pic above (experiment to taste), and click Process In Helix App, drag your new IR it into one of the Impulses slot, put it on a preset, and enjoy. To maybe alleviate any concerns about pirating Amplitube, all new IRs I post will be exported from Helix impulse library after they have been processed by Helix import. This adds another layer of processing that makes them a little further from the Amplitube originals, but the same to Helix users. Recall that Helix converts IRs to 16 bit on import. I also think there may be some other processing by Helix as the 9kb 16bit Helix-exported IRs sound different in a DAW than the pre-import 24 bit 50-150kb IRs I get with the process I use. Update 4/7/2016 I have added equivalent Power Amp + Cab IR's on Dropbox. These have a lot thicker sound and I believe have captured more of the tube power amp + cab interaction and vibe. These can be use with Helix preamp blocks as well as amp blocks. Using them with preamp blocks will allow you to split the signal after the preamp for virtual effects loop or to send preamp signal to your real tube power amp or amp effects return, the run the Amp +Cab IR to the Helix XLR for front of house sound. Mesa Recto Pwr Amp +Cab Marshall 70 80 Pwr Amp + Cab Fender Twin 212 Pwr Amp + Cab Fender Deluxe 410 Pwr Amp + Cab Mesa Mark III V30 412 Pwr Amp + Cab New! These IR's should give you completely different sounds than available from within Helix or from any cab IR company (Ownhamer or Redwirez). Update 4/8/2016 I have archived all previous trial IR's and files and did some housekeeping. The old stuff should still be there in the !Archive folder if there is something you think you need. All files are now at the IR folder level with a naming convention to organize them. There is generally one cab IR and one (power) Amp + Cab for each amp/cab type. I have refreshed previous cab IR's and new amp + cab IR's with updated naming so that the name in Helix is the same as the file name. It was a file title issue. New tested workflows below!!! These IR's work great with outboard physical gear and Helix as the IR processor, signal router, and controller, including preamps, amps effects sends, and amps though reactive loads. Feel free to experiment as always, but the the physical components do seem to work intuitively as you would traditionally route them in the real world. preamps sound good through Amp + Cab IR's and the amp effects sends, slaves, & reactive load outs sound good through the Cab IR's Things I have tested that work well: Helix preamps & amps (of course!) Mesa Triaxis preamp Marshall JMP-1 preamp Mesa V Twin pedal preamp Mesa Stiletto Duece II (effects send & reactive load) Mesa Mark V (effects send, slave out, & reactive load)

I'm excited for ya too. You know from our other posts I was in about the exact same boat you are in with Amplitube 4 and the Mesa amps. And contrary to popular opinion, I still say that the Amplitube amp models are on par with hardware modelers. I think the Amplitube 4 Cab Room is in a class of its own in terms of funtionality. I will probably always use Amplitube on tracks and Helix live...because I can use Helix to configure routings, presets, and setlist for both! Just be sure and don't quickly judge the stock Helix presets over headphones, studio monitors, or other full range speakers with your Amplitube-tuned ears. Try different Helix HX cabs and settings, including dual cabs. Try the free OwnHammer Mesa cab IRs. I might as well spill the beans now to maybe put you more at ease...the IR'S that I made and posted on this forum and on Dropbox were from Amplitube 4 cab room ;) I'll do a new thread with full instructions soon, but it's pretty easy. The IR's don't come out EXACTLY like the AT cab/mics sampled, but they are darn close. I could probably get closer if I spent more time experimenting and tweaking.

FYI, I have an active 5 string jazz bass and had to turn on the Guitar Pad in the Global Settings for bass. May not be an issue for passive basses. This may affect the tuner as well. Most of the wah models have a mix control. The wah models with additional low and high frequency adjustments can really be tailored to bass. That's a fun fact about the HD bass model pack. I must say I was having a bit of remorse about selling my HD500x when the HD packs came out.

Wow Line 6, Helix is AMAZING for bass! It's such a bonus since I did NOT buy Helix for bass at all. I was loving it for guitar though. I had given up on processors and multi-effects for bass a long time ago as I would loose low end and punch just running through a processor with no effects. I was a true-bypass, analog snob when it came to bass tone. I've had various Digitech, Boss, Eleven Rack, Pods XT, X3, and HD500x, and never liked any of them for bass, even for effects only. Yesterday, for the first time I plugged the Helix 1/4" out into the effects return of my Mesa M9 2x12 and a Helix XLR out my JBL Eon 515XT and played some bass through it just to try and help another forum member out. I set it to the Cali 400 Ch1 model (Amp only) and was floored. I went and grabbed my real Mesa Bass 400+ (which needs to be retubed so I cant take it out live) and A+B'd them. They are VERY close. Funny thing is, I'm actually preferring the Helix Cali 400 into the effects return of the M9 over the real 400+ into the same powerhouse 2x12 cab. It's a little less muddy while still keeping the all-tube vibe. Now I don't have to retube the 400+ and drag around 80+ pounds for a good tube bass tone. I could 4CM the M9 to get its preamp back in play, but I'm not sure that it's worth the cabling. There is an M9 model in Helix that sounds pretty good, but I'm still loving the Cali 400. I went ahead a committed myself to using the Helix for this Friday's gig. I spent 2 hours today setting up a single preset for stomp mode with Vetta wah, LA Comp, 2 distortions, 2 filters/synths, flanger, chorus, 10 band EQ, and volume. My basic tone is just the Cali 400 and LA Comp. I love how most effects have a mix control. The Vetta wah is super tweakable for bass. The tuner is great for bass too, and has no issue picking up the low B. FYI, I was running the Mesa M9 with Boss tuner, chorus, flanger; Markbass Compressore,Super Synth, and Mini Distortion; ProCo Rat; Keeley Mod Ibanez TS-9; Morley Bass Wah. Everything sounds good at home, we'll see what it's like on stage. Thanks again Line 6 for simplifying my setup.

Damn you guys are good...thanks!

It would be nice to be able to key in the values on the sliders like you can in a DAW or on software plug ins. I think you could do this in the Pod HD Edit.

It works natively on my 2014 Dell Venue 11 Pro tablet with Windows 10 and i5 processor. Haven't tried it over splashtop yet though.

I just tested with my Mesa bass amp and one of my JBL 515XT Eons. Doing 1/4" Helix Left Output to 1/4" effects return of the Mesa M9, then XLR Left out of the Helix to 1/4" of the JBL sounded great. I ran the full Helix Amp+Cab models. SVT Beast and Cali 400 models sounded great. I have a Mesa 400+ and Helix does a great job on that model...and I don't have to deal with the tubes! With this setup, there is no need to configure two separate signal paths. Just set the what sounds good into the effects return of your amp. The sound guy will eq to as needed for the PA. Luckily the power sections of solid state bass amps are pretty clean. Bass cabs are sometimes bassier than PA cabs, but nothing that the sound man couldn't handle if you have the preset fine tuned to your bass cab. Going to try Helix on live bass now for the first time this Friday. Although it will be for a medium 100-200 person venue through my own amp. This particular guy I play with only has two 15" speakers on poles and no subs. I will just be running my Mesa M9 and 2x12 cab, no bass signal to the mains or monitors. So it's not really the exact configuration you are requesting. I'll probably go ahead and set my rig up 4CM so I can get the real preamp from the M9. But as 4CM will pass the preamp from the M9 effects send to the Helix, I still would probably only send the Helix Left XLR to the PA. I was considering taking a JBL Eon instead of the Mesa M9 2x12, but I REALLY like the sound of my bass rig at that venue.

On Windows 10 tablet mode touch screen, the model lists in the amp and effects blocks do not drop down with touch. The sliders work great though.