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Try taking the hum and ripple all the way down too. I use either dual amls or dual cabs to get more thickness and some depth of tone. Cab cuts are key as well. I bought Glenn's patches and some good stuff there, but you will get it! It took me a little while, but I can get what I need fairly quickly now once you have a work flow that's familiar to you..enjoy!

Yeah comma I was period But seriously, thanks for the advice, it has gotten better, it is just one of the few downgrades I have noticed since going direct. It sounded amazing through my amp setup!

I turn hum and ripple all the way off, maybe add a little hum back after the rest of my sound is complete. Sag can be useful, I usually keep it off or low for chucky rock/metal, up a bit for bluesy or clean, and fairly high on leads.. adds some body and sustain. And its all about cab cuts, I do my bass cuts at 120, and highs anywhere from 5 to 13 depending on the sound I am after. I find these settings to work on all my guitars and for any style I play..

Haha, still have my Marshall, but have been running helix through power blocks and cabs. I always run stereo as well. I decided to run helix through my studio setup for recording and starting using cabs etc for that purpose. I immediately bought an Alto ts210 and decided to give it a go. I was kinda bummed at first as I expected some monster sounds. Didnt happen so I bought another one, I was missing the stereo spread it seems. After some heavy research and tweaking, I have redone most of my original patches to go direct. Once your ear adjusts, the helix is a hundred times more versatile, and I swear some of my patches achive an 'amp in the room' sound. I still have my 'old' rig, but its catchin dust at the moment! If this unit wasnt so fun and easy to edit, I'd be pretty pissed at all the rebuilding I had to do.. but the new sounds cut through very well so far and some are things I never could have done before. The harmonizer sounded better through the real amp though, only real bummer so far..

Thanks everyone comma I'm getting closer. When I switch to direct as opposed to going to an amp, I find a lot of wonderful things. However there are a few things that I greatly Miss and this particular patch is one of them exclamation point I know it won't be the same but as long as I can get a close I'll be happy period I'll be tweaking for a few hours this evening and I'll try your ideas

So, I had been running my helix through stereo power blocs and cabs. Recently went to dual alto's. Needless to say, I am rebuilding my patches with cabs, etc.. I had one patch previously that used a harmonizer and sounded glorious. Almost true dual lead sound. Now it sounds too blended, not enough distinction and the harmonizer is kinda synthy sounding. Anybody had good luck with a stereo harmony patch and want to share their secrets? More high gain sound..thank you!

I tried it recently on a patch for an incubus song. I used to run my Helix through amps and I had more DSP to work with. When I made my patches to go front of house comma I experimented with that and got a pretty cool sound instead of a dual amp. So far it's the only patch I have done it on but I will play with it some more

Cool, thanks! I have a snap for the main harmony, then a dual harmony for the second verse.. its a great tune, we rock it up a little and people live it, think they forgot how cool it was too! Thanks, Ill give it a shot this afternoon..

Hey guys.. I was running through my amps, and using my dunlop talk box no problem. Recently made the switch to fr monitors, and rebuilding my patches. We do a cool rock version of Those Shoes by the Eagles, talk box and harmony sounds awesome! But is it possible to push it with an amp block or through a send? Havent tried yet, seeing if anyone has any advice first..thanks!

Ahh, gotcha. That was what I was referring too, in case I was missing a secret. Good point though.. I just got my altos so making sure!

Shouldn't it be set to line?

What i figured, thanks! I need some longer 1/4s!

Hey guys and gals, I got a gig tonight. First time going straight to the board so wish me luck! I bought some Alto TS 210s to be my own stage monitors. Should I just use regular quarter inch cables, or should I run quarter inch speaker cables?

What a great thread. I have been Line 6 into an amp for 15 plus years. I went that way when I first bought Helix but just recently bought a pair of Alto ts 210s. The first couple days took a lot of adjusting, and I learned a lot from this thread mostly in the frequency cutting on the cabinets. I just finished my first rehearsal running this way comma and we all came away incredibly impressed. There was a lot more clarity comma and I had done a good job setting my levels through my recording system. To be honest, it was very close to an amp in the room sound and by the end of the night there was a lot less year fatigue. I enjoyed all the extra DSP that I was able to use running into my amps, that has been the main problem I have faced recreating my patches. But we all know that usually less is more anyway. Where I was using a lot of dual amps, now I am using dual cabinets and getting similar results. But my patches translated very well to the practice PA, and I am going to try to run this way for the first time ever live this Saturday. Got to say I'm really looking forward to it! I never tried the 4 cable method, but I can honestly say I am pleased that I have made this jump and now that I have a handle on my new patch creation techniques comma I will probably never look back

So the second alto came in today, I put em both in the air, and wow, sounding great. Wondering if because I use so many dual amps and paths that going out left/mono was just making things compress together? We are close now, and yes I run my helix into my korg d3200 for live recordings and it also has a decent meter to help me adjust my volumes. Thanks yall!!

So the second alto came in today, I put em both in the air, and wow, sounding great. Wondering if because I use so many dual amps and paths that going out left/mono was just making things compress together? We are close now, and yes I run my helix into my korg d3200 for live recordings and it also has a decent meter to help me adjust my volumes. Thanks yall!!

Thanks guys. I'm one of the guys that makes a patch for every song, so it's just a lot of work and I'm not happy with the results so far. I am trying to be subjective and listen to it as the sound man would period I am cutting my hi cuts on the cabs anywhere from 5 to 13 comma and I'm usually cutting the bottom and about 120. I have not most with the global at all. I may try sitting back a little bit I am right on it while I am tweaking my patches. Like I mentioned there's just a strange buzz on every note that I just find annoying. I have been playing guitar for 30 years but this is the first time I've ever run this way, so I think it's probably just going to take a little while to try and get used to it. Really appreciate your input though exclamation point

Im getting some ok soinds at lower volumes, but when I turn up to anywhere near loud, it starts to show its rough edges. I am running my helix volume at about 11 oclock and using alto ts210's at about 12. It just seems that there is this sizzle on everything, especially single note passages, like cult of personality for example. Im gonna give this another week or so, then I may go back to helix into my amp system! Im cutting cabs and IRs, nothing seems to get rid of it. Pad is on..thanks, mostly venting after spending 450 on new speakers and feeling underwhelmed..

Just got some alto ts210's. I had been running into real amps and cabs. When I first added cabs and IRs I was kinda horrified. After tweaking cab high and lows to 5-13 and 120, and learning the sag/hum settings, I am getting fantastic results. I need better headphones, still sounds rough there. Trying it live this weekend, fingers crossed, but very optimistic!!

Yeah I was just used to the big sound of my stereo amps. I only had the one Alto so if I put my studio monitors on at the same time and gave me a little that spread. Looking forward to getting the other one in the mail soon period I am cutting all my cabs at 120 on the low end comma and anywhere from 4 to 13 on the highs depending on the patch I'm working with it sounds pretty good, I'm getting there!

I stood it up on the floor, helps a little. I got some better results as a tweaked yesterday. I think the main thing is I have always run two seperate cabs, I am used to the spread..so I ordered a second one last night;)

Hey Rocco, do you just use one speaker cabinet, or do you have two altos? If you are just running one, have you ever run both cables into it, I tried that and it seems to be a bit Fuller. I am assuming you use quarter inch to the speaker so you can have the XLR to the PA? I know you guys are right, that every speaker is going to sound different. But that's what's kind of frustrating me about this FRFR thing. I thought the idea was that no matter what you plugged into it would be pretty close. And I know it's not going to be the same as having my amps cranked up. I guess the few sounds I was attempting sounded really good on my studio monitor, so I was expecting this awesome sound when I plugged in the alto speaker. Instead the patches were unusable as they were. Makes me worry that if I get my Altos sounding good and then plug into a larger PA system I will feel the same way. And thank you all for the advice, I have been cutting the cabinet frequencies and that is certainly a huge help. I was just surprised, I would put a single amp and cab and a path and none of them really sounded very good. I certainly want to go this route, it would be so much easier. I guess I will just play with this speaker over the weekend and see what I can come up with. I think if I had two of them I might be a little happier, as I am used to the spread of my stereo cabinets, and that is the way I have run for years. Mainly was just curious if you guys to use one cable or two, and what the main difference was. I am also assuming that I should leave the Contour button flat as that would be most representative of the sound through the PA correct? Thanks again guys

So when I bought my helix, I ran it the way I knew how and with the equipment I had. Stereo power blocks with two 4*12 cabinets. I knew I was missing a lot of the Helix with the cabinets and IRs and such. But it sounded really damn good. So a week or two ago I started doing some recording and adding cabinets in my chain and everything sounded amazing through my studio monitors I was hooked. So I ordered an alto ts210, and just plugged it up. Even if I just start a brand new patch put in an amp with a cab and nothing else, everything sounds really muddy and bad. I kept my studio monitors on at low volume, just to give me some of the stereo spread I am used to, but the sound quality is still the same. I've tried high and low cuts on the cabinets but everything sounds terrible to me. I'm very frustrated period should I run left and right quarter inches into both inputs of the alto speaker? Or just the left mono? I turn the guitar pad on and then running line out. Maybe it's just adjusting my ear, but if it sounds like this I will go back to my apps and cabs, I just can't seem to get a good starting spot on hardly any of these ant models they all have the same muddy harshness. Any help would be great exclamation point I am a 20-year Line 6 veteran, so I know what I'm doing. It just seems this thing should sound a little better without massive tweaking, I feel I am missing something. I have the alto volume at 12 as full volume has alot of hiss..

So when I bought my helix comma I rent at the way I knew how and what the equipment I had. Stereo power blocks with two 4*12 cabinets. I knew I was missing a lot of the Helix with the cabinets and IRs and such. But it sounded really damn good. So a week or two ago I started doing some recording and adding cabinets in my chain and everything sounded amazing through my studio monitors I was hooked. So I ordered an alto ts210, and just plugged it up. Even if I just start a brand new patch put in an amp with a cab and nothing else, everything sounds really muddy and bad. I kept my studio monitors on at 11 a.m. just to give me some of the stereo spread I am used to, but the sound quality is still the same. I've tried high and low cuts on the cabinets but everything sounds terrible to me. I'm very frustrated period should I run left and right quarter inches into both inputs of the alto speaker? Or just the left mono? I turn the guitar pad on and then running line out. Maybe it's just adjusting my ear, but if it sounds like this I will go back to my apps and cabs, I just can't seem to get a good starting spot on hardly any of these ant models they all have the same muddy harshness. Any help would be great exclamation point I am a 20-year Line 6 veteran, so I know what I'm doing. It just seems this thing should sound a little better without massive tweaking, I feel I am missing something. I have the alto volume at 12 as full volume has alot of hiss..

I have gone through 3 stages of learning on my helix. I find rolling the high cut on the cabs way back helps gid rid of the digi sound. I also am now using the guitar pad. Dont be fooled, this thing will sound like you want, after about 2 weeks I was wondering myself, but now I am lost in helix glory! It is a tweakers machine, but once you get a feel for it, it is so fast and easy to do.